Obama Continues to Ineffectively Restate his Opinions on Gun Control - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49210274]I don't want to sell my pieces of history, or any of my firearms really except my shitty .22 that jams every 5 seconds. I am not selling my firearms, I am not giving away my firearms, no one is going to take my guns away from me, I have spent a lot of money and time investing myself into them.[/QUOTE] yeah I mean - why sell them if you still want them. kinda sucks if someone chucks a piece of history.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49210284]The amount of world history carelessly chucked into the incinerator during buybacks is inexcusable. They are careless and horrible. Images of buckets full of plasma cut StG-44s come to mind.[/QUOTE] Haha your joking right? NO ONE WOULD PLASMA CUT[B] AN STG-44[/B], RIGHT? RIGHT? RIGHT? [sp] That boils my fucking blood that someone would do that to an STG-44, good lord[/sp]

All too common scenario: A soldier risked life and limb to bring something special, iconic of the war he served in, back to pass down through his family and his brainwashed granddaughter, convinced that it's evil, willingly feeds it to a smelter in exchange for an applebee's gift card fuck that shit

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49210301]All too common scenario: A soldier risked life and limb to bring something special, iconic of the war he served in, back to pass down through his family and his brainwashed granddaughter, convinced that it's evil, willingly feeds it to a smelter in exchange for an applebee's gift card fuck that shit[/QUOTE] these are good gun values. how do we teach this to newer generations ?

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49210301]All too common scenario: A soldier risked life and limb to bring something special, iconic of the war he served in, back to pass down through his family and his brainwashed granddaughter, convinced that it's evil, willingly feeds it to a smelter in exchange for an applebee's gift card fuck that shit[/QUOTE] Jesus christ, it should be required that someone AT LEAST inspects the firearm to make sure it isn't a historical piece. What I would do for me to own an STG-44. ughh

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49210289]Haha your joking right? NO ONE WOULD PLASMA CUT[B] AN STG-44[/B], RIGHT? RIGHT? RIGHT? [sp] That boils my fucking blood that someone would do that to an STG-44, good lord[/sp][/QUOTE] [img]http://i48.tinypic.com/2rpw4n4.jpg[/img] [img]http://i45.tinypic.com/2namgkw.jpg[/img] A victim of the scenario described above I've also seen BARs, an MG-34 and loads of 1800s muskets

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49210312][img]http://i48.tinypic.com/2rpw4n4.jpg[/img] [img]http://i45.tinypic.com/2namgkw.jpg[/img] A victim of the scenario described above[/QUOTE] Yep, and this is the number one thing that pisses me off that some who is anti-gun can do, DESTROY A FUCKING PIECE OF HISTORY THAT IS WORTH A SHIT TON OF MONEY. Reminds me of that lady who wanted to PAINTED A PAK-40 PINK TO TRY AND TURN IT INTO AN 'ART' PIECE. [I]triggered[/I]

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49210321]Yep, and this is the number one thing that pisses me off that some who is anti-gun can do, DESTROY A FUCKING PIECE OF HISTORY THAT IS WORTH A SHIT TON OF MONEY. Reminds me of that lady who wanted to PAINTED A PAK-40 PINK TO TRY AND TURN IT INTO AN 'ART' PIECE. [I]triggered[/I][/QUOTE] chill bro. smoke a bowl srs

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49210321]Yep, and this is the number one thing that pisses me off that some who is anti-gun can do, DESTROY A FUCKING PIECE OF HISTORY THAT IS WORTH A SHIT TON OF MONEY. Reminds me of that lady who wanted to PAINTED A PAK-40 PINK TO TRY AND TURN IT INTO AN 'ART' PIECE. [I]triggered[/I][/QUOTE] yeah do relax though

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49210335]yeah do relax though[/QUOTE] Sorry, I just get absolutely boiled when stuff like this happens, seriously the number one thing you can do to piss me off is destroy something like that. I am gonna go take a break.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49210338]Sorry, I just get absolutely boiled when stuff like this happens, seriously the number one thing you can do to piss me off is destroy something like that. I am gonna go take a break.[/QUOTE] again - I'm not against guns right now but holding no chill about something like this could probably be classified as unhealthy.

[QUOTE=old_hag12;49210357]again - I'm not against guns right now but holding no chill about something like this could probably be classified as unhealthy.[/QUOTE] Everyone has their sources of anger (: What pisses you off, old_hag12?

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49210389]Everyone has their sources of anger (: What pisses you off, old_hag12?[/QUOTE] haha uh. probably close minded people. people who don't listen to everyone - shut down one group of people or stop learning from them because they think differently.

[QUOTE=*Freezorg*;49210261]let us all drive Lada's like Lenin would have wanted[/QUOTE] [video=youtube;mAjOKVd6Dws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAjOKVd6Dws[/video] I'm okay with this.

[QUOTE=old_hag12;49210398]haha uh. probably close minded people. people who don't listen to everyone - shut down one group of people or stop learning from them because they think differently.[/QUOTE] I really am willing to listen to the reasons why people want guns to be heavily restricted or banned, but so far I haven't seen a viable solution to the "gun" problem(which I disagree that there is an inherent problem with owning a gun).

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49210321]Yep, and this is the number one thing that pisses me off that some who is anti-gun can do, DESTROY A FUCKING PIECE OF HISTORY THAT IS WORTH A SHIT TON OF MONEY.[/QUOTE] p. sure we have more than enough examples of that particular model of gun in exhibitions or storage to preserve it for generations to come. History isn't vanishing just because someone destroyed an old gun. If the gun was something that was actually used in a pivotal event or was the first of that model or something and had documentation to go along with it, it would have ended up in a museum or something so you could gawk at it until closing time. Otherwise, it's just a gun. No real historical significance. It's a piece of metal.

[QUOTE=old_hag12;49210357]again - I'm not against guns right now but holding no chill about something like this could probably be classified as unhealthy.[/QUOTE] Unhealthy because he's passionate about saving historical pieces from morons who have no idea what they're doing?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49210413]p. sure we have more than enough examples of that particular model of gun in exhibitions or storage to preserve it for generations to come. History isn't vanishing just because someone destroyed an old gun. If the gun was something that was actually used in a pivotal event or was the first of that model or something and had documentation to go along with it, it would have ended up in a museum or something so you could gawk at it until closing time. [B]Otherwise, it's just a gun. No real historical significance. It's a piece of metal.[/B][/QUOTE] That particular gun was worth about $40,000. Not just a "piece" of metal. I would give my left nut to own a Registered STG-44.

[QUOTE=Cinnamonbun;49210410]I really am willing to listen to the reasons why people want guns to be heavily restricted or banned, but so far I haven't seen a viable solution to the "gun" problem(which I disagree that there is an inherent problem with owning a gun).[/QUOTE] Everyone so polarized it's absurd. Everyone wants to move toward a certain party or group. It's so stupid. The simple reality is there is no law that fixes anything (except for the economy, without law there is no 'economy') But all in all, every issue boils down to cultural problems first. If you don't listen and learn from people nothing changes. [editline]29th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DuCT;49210419]Unhealthy because he's passionate about saving historical pieces from morons who have no idea what they're doing?[/QUOTE] nah read my other posts - you'll get my position

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49210413]p. sure we have more than enough examples of that particular model of gun in exhibitions or storage to preserve it for generations to come. History isn't vanishing just because someone destroyed an old gun. If the gun was something that was actually used in a pivotal event or was the first of that model or something and had documentation to go along with it, it would have ended up in a museum or something so you could gawk at it until closing time. Otherwise, it's just a gun. No real historical significance. It's a piece of metal.[/QUOTE] All StG-44s were used in a pivotal event and that particular one was a bring-back, someone's granddaddy's gun that should've remained in the family or in the hands of someone who will respect it. "I'm sure there's another one somewhere" is why we're nearly out of historic sailing ships or early automobiles. These old guns pose no threat. You can't justify it. Also, not everyone is content to leave history to the museums. Personally I enjoy knowing that I'm preserving a piece of history for the next generation.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49210445]All StG-44s were used in a pivotal event and that particular one was a bring-back, someone's granddaddy's gun that should've remained in the family or in the hands of someone who will respect it. "I'm sure there's another one somewhere" is why we're nearly out of historic sailing ships or early automobiles. These old guns pose no threat.[/QUOTE] Completey agree with this, people just think it is okay to incinerate a Gun that was a. Used in a pivotal event, ie WW2. b. Worth anywhere between $30,000 to $50,000 depending on the condition. c. Probably one of the VERY few registered STG-44s in the U.S This is what happens when people who believe guns are inherently evil, have no idea what they are looking at, so they toss it in the bin. Do to guns when they get their hands on one, very frustrating for anyone who has a clue about Firearms history.

[QUOTE=valkery;49205386]If that were the case, he'd be making an impassioned speech on it every four or five days (if going by deaths). If going by wounded, he'd be talking every single day. [url]http://shootingtracker.com/wiki/Mass_Shootings_in_2015[/url] It's definitely an important issue, but if Sandy Hook and others don't change national opinion, nothing will. [editline]28th November 2015[/editline] That's the point. It is normal, and it's been the trend for years. This particular one isn't going to change anything. Especially not if other, larger shootings haven't.[/QUOTE] I get what you're completely saying, but what you're saying at the same time is also recognizing a problem of sorts. Or, it may be worth looking into, might just save some [I]"statistically insignificant number"[/I] of human lives per year. Like a health problem, no matter how significant or insignificant. Which is only insignificant or normal if you.. want to see it that way? I mean you can, and the number isn't just magically going to drop by making public letters (but it actually helps btw! bringing awareness and shit), but there also must be some simple measures that could be taken to bring these types of shootings to an even smaller minimum, without leaving your freedom of gun ownership too badly violated. *Gasp* Don't want that.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49210413]p. sure we have more than enough examples of that particular model of gun in exhibitions or storage to preserve it for generations to come. History isn't vanishing just because someone destroyed an old gun. If the gun was something that was actually used in a pivotal event or was the first of that model or something and had documentation to go along with it, it would have ended up in a museum or something so you could gawk at it until closing time. Otherwise, it's just a gun. No real historical significance. It's a piece of metal.[/QUOTE] i don't care about cars but i don't go around saying that a model T isn't historically significant because they have some in museums.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;49210492]I get what you're completely saying, but what you're saying at the same time is also recognizing a problem of sorts. Or, it may be worth looking into, might just save some [I]"statistically insignificant number"[/I] of human lives per year. Like a health problem, no matter how significant or insignificant. Which is only insignificant or normal if you.. want to see it that way? I mean you can, and the number isn't just magically going to drop by making public letters (but it actually helps btw! bringing awareness and shit), but there also must be some simple measures that could be taken to bring these types of shootings to an even smaller minimum, [B]without leaving your freedom of gun ownership too badly violated. *Gasp* Don't want that.[/B][/QUOTE] Damn right I don't want that, guns have already been molested by things like 922r compliance, N.F.A laws, 1986 bans, etc. It does nothing but hurts law abiding citizens, in order to get a fully automatic, as said before, you need a Class 3 license ( takes a shit ton of time and money) and about $35,000 to drop on a functional full auto M-16. (Only about 5 full autos registered in the entire registry of 135,000 guns have been used in a crime since 1986, by the way) It isn't helping in Chicago or detroit, yet they have some of the highest restrictions in the country, but at the same time the highest crime rate in the country. Does not help a thing. Please stop recommending more gun control.

We need different gun control, not more. So far the control efforts have gone after the wrong people and the wrong objects and as a result things that cost 25 cents to manufacture in 1942 are worth $50,000+ in unmolested, legal condition, due to fears that they would be used illegally, and people are still killing each other with shitty $99 Hi-Points.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49210509]i don't care about cars but i don't go around saying that a model T isn't historically significant because they have some in museums.[/QUOTE] This. I too am not good with cars at all, but I can at least educate myself a little bit on the fact that there are historical pieces that deserve to be cared for, via private ownership or in a museum.

[QUOTE=Grenadiac;49210529]We need different gun control, not more. So far the control efforts have gone after the wrong people and the wrong objects and as a result things that cost 25 cents to manufacture in 1942 are worth $50,000+ in unmolested, legal condition, due to fears that they would be used illegally, and people are still killing each other with shitty $99 Hi-Points.[/QUOTE] Meanwhile courts let people off the hook for straw purchases because we don't want to turn these people into career criminals by giving them appropriate punishment, while politicians bleat about how there aren't enough laws to prevent criminals from getting guns. I'm normally one for reformation instead of punishment but failing to enact the gun control laws on the books while complaining that there isn't enough deterrence to gun crime makes my blood boil.

[QUOTE=catbarf;49210918]Meanwhile courts let people off the hook for straw purchases because we don't want to turn these people into career criminals by giving them appropriate punishment, while politicians bleat about how there aren't enough laws to prevent criminals from getting guns. I'm normally one for reformation instead of punishment but failing to enact the gun control laws on the books while complaining that there isn't enough deterrence to gun crime makes my blood boil.[/QUOTE]Except if you're punished for literally anything in this country you are "in the system" and it [U]will[/U] be used against you; you never stop being a convicted felon even after you pay your debt to society, you are forever marked. I'd agree with you entirely if you weren't talking about a completely broken criminal justice system that's focused entirely on "getting" people rather than seeing justice served. We've turned the police force into human attack dogs and now as a society we're wondering why we're accidentally getting mauled from time to time. We need reform in a lot of different areas if this country is going to improve.

[QUOTE=old_hag12;49210282]yeah like I said - keep your guns. the worst possible scenario is the government takes all the guns away, and takes the internet (the ability to fight back against tyranny, and the last form of freedom of speech, free of media brainwashing)[/QUOTE] No that is not the worst case nor is it even a case, the military or police would never carry out such an order, and the government could not shut down the internet, that would shut down virtually all the world's internet and destroy the world economy, as well as permanently fracturing the internet. As for a military takeover, red dawn isn't going to happen, nor is a US military takeover going to happen because they would never carry out orders to kill mass US citizens on US soil, nor would civilians stand a chance against the military in any scenario, you bring a gun they bring a tank

[QUOTE=Sableye;49212674]nor would civilians stand a chance against the military in any scenario, you bring a gun they bring a tank[/QUOTE] guerilla conflict + an absolute need to minimize casualties as much as possible = a very difficult war to fight