Bioware gets Warhammer 40K Rights - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Jackald;40501115]It's over. Warhammer 40k games are done.[/QUOTE] [quote]Ah yes, "opinions"[/quote] Hhhhehehe

[QUOTE=jimhowl33t;40499173]Khàrn the Betrayer: the RPG adventure.[/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRVcdLPqoHg[/media]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40496242]don't sandwhich in things that don't fit please[/QUOTE] How does gayness [I]not[/I] fit with a group of steroided cloistered all-male space-monk supersoldiers?

[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40503800]How does gayness [I]not[/I] fit with a group of steroided cloistered all-male space-monk supersoldiers?[/QUOTE] Sexual orientation really doesnt mean much when you're sexually inactive.

We all know bioware has it in them to produce a great game, but if they'll fuck it up is really just up to them. It's a new thing for them after all, so we can't just assume it'll go the same way that Mass Effect and Dragon Age went. Hopefully they'll realize that WH40k is not a place for romance, and that we'll see no writing from Ms Hepler. But only time will tell.

[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40503800]How does gayness [I]not[/I] fit with a group of steroided cloistered all-male space-monk supersoldiers?[/QUOTE] Uhm I take it you have no idea about space marines They can barely be considered to have genetalia at all

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40504802]Uhm I take it you have no idea about space marines They can barely be considered to have genetalia at all[/QUOTE] There's still such an utter air of homoeroticism about them that you can barely breathe.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40504802]Uhm I take it you have no idea about space marines They can barely be considered to have genetalia at all[/QUOTE] They do, but they aren't genetically compatible with humans whatsoever, nor (although this doesn't apply fully to Chaos Marines) do they have any real sexual urges, with the mentioned exception of Chaos, although even for Choas it's only a small subset, Emperors Children and other Slaaneshi worshipers, although given the way Marines, loyalist or traitors are wired, they'd be more likely to indulge in the pelasure of violence than the pleasure of sex.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40504821]There's still such an utter air of homoeroticism about them that you can barely breathe.[/QUOTE] Totally It's like there is romance in the air and all I'm not denying that there is serious levels of sexualization in WH40k but there are not romances or love or any if that and it does not fit in that universe.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40504821]There's still such an utter air of homoeroticism about them that you can barely breathe.[/QUOTE] In that case then the Sisters of Battle hold mass BSDM and orgy events on a regular occurance (hint, they actually dont), although in the SoB's case, its more of a personal suppresion of themselves due to oaths they may have sworn.

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40504821]There's still such an utter air of homoeroticism about them that you can barely breathe.[/QUOTE] I think you might just have a space marine fetish.

[quote]I'm not denying that there is serious levels of sexualization in WH40k but there are not romances or love or any if that and it does not fit in that universe. [/quote] Where did I mention romance? I'm talking about things like gene-'seed'. It and the way they make more marines is such an obvious stealth reference to certain practices of the ancient Greeks. It's a kind of facepalmy kind of thing when you realize it. Goddamit, now I'm crafting the idea of a chapter/army based on the Theban Sacred Band. Possibly choppy, squad numbers divisible by two... I'd use the Space Marine Siege Assault Vanguard rules from forgeworld, so you can had loads of shields, as a reference to ancient Greek hoplites and for how damned tough to break the Thaban Sacred Band was (Seriously, those guys once beat the Spartans. They were hardcore).

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40505560]Where did I mention romance? I'm talking about things like gene-'seed'. It and the way they make more marines is such an obvious stealth reference to certain practices of the ancient Greeks. It's a kind of facepalmy kind of thing when you realize it.[/QUOTE]perversion is in the mind of the beholder heretic

I'm referring to how the greeks though that they gave the boys 'arete', or excellence, through their... ministrations. Edit: Although I'm not going to get into the machochism overtones of the Imperial Firsts. Rogal Dorn seriously liked him some pain, man. Just as an aside: Apparently, the jury is out on how 'functional' marines are. On one hand, you have the ultras. On the other hand, there's that space wolf hitting on that lady in one of the novels or that marine in one of the HH novels who slept with a woman, remembrancer or some such.. I suspect it's one of those chapter variations. That, and space wolves are just like that. Besides, apparently some eunuchs are more functional than others, depending on when the 'snip' happened. [quote]I think you might just have a space marine fetish. [/quote] Not really. The screwy proportions of a Marine kind of kills it.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;40505066]I think you might just have a space marine fetish.[/QUOTE] well to be fair they are a race of twelve foot tall all-male muscle men with outstanding camaraderie and cohesion linked together by their creepy stalker-ish infatuation with Golden Psychic Space Jesus

[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40503800]How does gayness [I]not[/I] fit with a group of steroided cloistered all-male space-monk supersoldiers?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40504821]There's still such an utter air of homoeroticism about them that you can barely breathe.[/QUOTE] oh man, you sure showed him just like how gayness would totally fit in the combine all secluded and sexually suppressed and stuck with other males all day and how rampantly homosexual Doomguy/Duke Nukem/Serious Sam is I mean look at this faggot [t]http://wallpaper4me.com/images/wallpapers/serious_sam_w1.jpeg[/t] ^^^ [B]its literally FILLED with gay undertones[/B] ^^^ [t]http://www.digiseller.ru/preview/209171/p1_21118025220003.JPG[/t] just look at the guy on the right looking at who is clearly his butt buddies big ol' butt I'm sorry but no, leave sexuality out of WH4k. That is god damn wrong to do. It simply has absolutely no place it at all. Seriously what the fuck are you people thinking.

[QUOTE=J!NX;40505880]I'm sorry but no, leave sexuality out of WH4k. That is god damn wrong to do. It simply has absolutely no place it at all.[/QUOTE]but what about Slaanesh and their raging psycho hermaphrodite transsexual triboob bi stoner nonprivileged meth addict everythingphile tumblr followers

[QUOTE=Joazzz;40505925]but what about Slaanesh and their raging hermaphrodite transsexual nonprivileged everythingphile followers[/QUOTE] I'm talking about in complete general. [sp]man I can't wait to fuck some space marines, those big, muscular booties on those men who fucking slaugher hordes of people with giant chainswords. EROTIC[/sp]

[QUOTE=J!NX;40505943]man I can't wait to fuck some space marines I'm talking about in complete general.[/QUOTE]ye, i see your point kinda surprising that the Imperium hasn't developed a way for citizens to reproduce without actually sexing it up since pleasure feeds Chaos and all that stuff [QUOTE=J!NX;40505943][sp]man I can't wait to fuck some space marines, those big, muscular booties on those men who fucking slaugher hordes of people with giant chainswords. EROTIC[/sp][/QUOTE]khornates are secretly closet weaklings and have a gore fetish

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;40504851]They do, but they aren't genetically compatible with humans[/QUOTE] Wait a minute, when did the gene seed change their DNA?

[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40505560]Where did I mention romance? I'm talking about things like gene-'seed'. It and the way they make more marines is such an obvious stealth reference to certain practices of the ancient Greeks. It's a kind of facepalmy kind of thing when you realize it.[/QUOTE] You seem to imply that geneseed is analogous to semen, when in fact geneseed are organs grown from progenoid glands implanted within the marines throat and chest cavity, what's sexual about that? Although akin to a form of reproduction, it's hardly sexual. And the way of making more marines, the only thing is that they train children from a young age (this was a Spartan practise, not all of greece) or, rather, they take vicious, violent children (for the most part, although there are exceptions) mostly from deathworlds, because it breeds hardyness and experience in killing, then they are implanted with the space marine organs (geneseed is extracted to create these organs, it isnt implanted itself so your quotations for sexualisation of the word are entirely wrong). The reason they are taken as children and not adults with more experience is that the process of organ implantation radically changes their bodies and a younger physiology is more able to adapt to the changes. [quote]I'm referring to how the greeks though that they gave the boys 'arete', or excellence, through their... ministrations. Edit: Although I'm not going to get into the machochism overtones of the Imperial Firsts. Rogal Dorn seriously liked him some pain, man. Just as an aside: Apparently, the jury is out on how 'functional' marines are. On one hand, you have the ultras. On the other hand, there's that space wolf hitting on that lady in one of the novels or that marine in one of the HH novels who slept with a woman, remembrancer or some such.. I suspect it's one of those chapter variations. That, and space wolves are just like that. Besides, apparently some eunuchs are more functional than others, depending on when the 'snip' happened.[/quote] Except in the case of Space Marines, that arete is often fatal. They are trained in fighting and survival and pushed to the edge of their mental and physical capalities, of which not all survive. Not comparable at all to the ancient greeks. Marines are very functional, it just so happens that each LEGION was designed around doing a different thing. Plus its a case of geneseed combined with home/recruiting planets plus the attitudes of a primarch which determined the attitude of the legion. The reason they are different is because they are different, not because some of them are eunuchs or anything. As for the space wolf hitting on that lady, I assume you mean Kara Issan, he didn't hit on her, there was just some sort of attraction (not even hinted at being sexual) which could have happened for several reasons, she's the first offworlder he saw and she's a psyker. Space Wolves respect power, and as a Psyker she was quite powerful. As for a marine sleeping with a remembrancer in the HH series, sorry but you're misremembering/misinformed, nothing like that happened. [QUOTE=kimchimafia;40506253]Wait a minute, when did the gene seed change their DNA?[/QUOTE] You do realise the whole process of being turned into a marine vastly alters their DNA right? Thats why they recruit from very few planets, because the progenoids, along with several other organs, and chemical processes involved in the implantation change a whole lot of things about the person being implanted, including their dna. [quote]kinda surprising that the Imperium hasn't developed a way for citizens to reproduce without actually sexing it up since pleasure feeds Chaos and all that stuff[/quote] Technically [B]everything[/B] feeds chaos, if by what you say you mean Slaanesh, then it's excess of pleasure, whether thats sexual, or the pleasure from violence or anything else. [quote]well to be fair they are a race of twelve foot tall all-male muscle men with outstanding camaraderie and cohesion linked together by their creepy stalker-ish infatuation with Golden Psychic Space Jesus [/quote] 8 foot tal, they're all muscle to be more effective in combat, and their devotion to the Emperor is hardly stalker infatuation, more like the ultimate ideal that they should aspire to.

Hopefully these games will have lots of dialogue options. Orcs will have females because of equality, dark eldar and chaos are actually not evil just goth and misunderstood and Tyranids will be more sentient and have tits.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;40506259] You do realise the whole process of being turned into a marine vastly alters their DNA right? Thats why they recruit from very few planets, because the progenoids, along with several other organs, and chemical processes involved in the implantation change a whole lot of things about the person being implanted, including their dna.[/QUOTE] See, I know all that except for the DNA changing bit. I never saw it before established in canon. Why would the gene seeds change their DNA? The things they change are usually implants, hormones and chemical balances but never DNA altering stuff. If that were true, didnt a character accept emergency donor blood from a space marine in The Brothers of the Snake? Is there a quote you can find that would confirm this?

Well I hope for a cool 40K RPG game involving the Inquistion, Rogue Trader or something along the lines of the 40k roleplay books made by Fantasy Flight Games.

[QUOTE=kimchimafia;40506391]See, I know all that except for the DNA changing bit. I never saw it before established in canon. Why would the gene seeds change their DNA? The things they change are usually implants, hormones and chemical balances but never DNA altering stuff. If that were true, didnt a character accept emergency donor blood from a space marine in The Brothers of the Snake? Is there a quote you can find that would confirm this?[/QUOTE] Think of how much problems we have to day with the rejection of [I]transplants[/I] from compatible donors, to have 19 seperate organs, not least of which is a second freaking heart and third lung, there has to be genetic (dna) manipulation and alteration in order for them to work, stick a second heart in a person and guess what, the body wont use it because its instructions (dna) don't include, let alone involve using a second organ that is not normally present in the body. I'm not saying its massive alteration in the DNA, but it would be enough of an alteration to fuck up any chance of human/astartes reproduction. As an example, look at the space wolves, the first chemical concotion they drink does alter ther dna, some normally (for the procedure) others it does it too much and turns them into Wulfen. No they didnt accept Emergency donor blood, they were injected with a measure of their blood so that the regenreative properties protected them from radiation. Injecting a small amout of altered blood is vastly different than reproducing an entire being made from the two seperate dna strands, one altered, one not.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;40506460]Think of how much problems we have to day with the rejection of [I]transplants[/I] from compatible donors, to have 19 seperate organs, not least of which is a second freaking heart and third lung, there has to be genetic (dna) manipulation and alteration in order for them to work, stick a second heart in a person and guess what, the body wont use it because its instructions (dna) don't include, let alone involve using a second organ that is not normally present in the body. I'm not saying its massive alteration in the DNA, but it would be enough of an alteration to fuck up any chance of human/astartes reproduction. As an example, look at the space wolves, the first chemical concotion they drink does alter ther dna, some normally (for the procedure) others it does it too much and turns them into Wulfen. No they didnt accept Emergency donor blood, they were injected with a measure of their blood so that the regenreative properties protected them from radiation. Injecting a small amout of altered blood is vastly different than reproducing an entire being made from the two seperate dna strands, one altered, one not.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't follow too closely of how it would in real life since most of the things in Warhammet are impossible anyway. It's science fantasy and I follow the canon and rules set in the world. The implants are usually hand waved with gene therapy and continuous intake of drugs to regulate their implants. So I'm still waiting for that official quote that most Space Marines are genetically imcompatible/different from humans from their creation.

just a rumor, as confirmed by a bioware employee [IMG]http://puu.sh/2LDx0.png[/IMG]

[quote] So I'm still waiting for that official quote that most Space Marines are genetically imcompatible/different from humans from their creation. [/quote] [quote]with gene therapy [/quote] For being genetically different, you answered your own thing, gene therapy changes your genes and the amount in making a marine would make them different, as for compatability, given that there has to be remarkable precision in order to make a geneseed not fail in a marine, its extremely unlikely that the resultant changes would make them compatible with another, vastly different (from a different world etc) even from their own world, it'd be extremely dicey. There has never once been anything about a space marine successfully fathering a child, or even trying to. Even if, and i say very loosely if they were compatible with humans, it doesn't matter anyway as they dont have the drive to reproduce sexually whatsoever, even chaos marines would use sex (or rather rape) as a means of pleasure rather than reproduction (since chaos being chaos they'd slit your throat as soon as they are done with you)

[QUOTE=OneFourth;40506571]just a rumor, as confirmed by a bioware employee [IMG]http://puu.sh/2LDx0.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Awww. kinda sucks but at this point, i guess im just looking for any news about a new 40k game.

[QUOTE=RayvenQ;40506637]For being genetically different, you answered your own thing, gene therapy changes your genes and the amount in making a marine would make them different, as for compatability, given that there has to be remarkable precision in order to make a geneseed not fail in a marine, its extremely unlikely that the resultant changes would make them compatible with another, vastly different (from a different world etc) even from their own world, it'd be extremely dicey. There has never once been anything about a space marine successfully fathering a child, or even trying to. Even if, and i say very loosely if they were compatible with humans, it doesn't matter anyway as they dont have the drive to reproduce sexually whatsoever, even chaos marines would use sex (or rather rape) as a means of pleasure rather than reproduction (since chaos being chaos they'd slit your throat as soon as they are done with you)[/QUOTE] A space marine fathering a child isn't necessary to disprove the theory that Space Marines are genetically different from humans. I believe gene therapy is therapy for their gene seeds like chemical therapy or that hypnotic stuff they do. Didnt Games Workshop write something detailing the creation of a space marine? I'm just going off from what I remember from the stuff they wrote.