You linked [url]http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/[/url] as a source, you've pretty much fucked up any credibility you had. (Oddly enough I had a theory that you were going to cite that page) Other than the chest and neck progenoids, that image is a complete and total fabrication.
[quote]My facts are as good as yours, don't get so butthurt about it. /quote]
Except I use facts that are canon and not on a well known and derided fan wiki that more often gives incorrect information than it does correct information.
But let's go over it.
[quote]Space Marines don't have apothecaries, who recover the progenoid gland from other Space Marines. My bad.[/quote]
I wasn't saying that Apothecaries were your fabrication, but that they "loves nothing more than to handle his battle brothers'...progenoid gland while moaning about how much he loves the Emperor." It's the worse duty that a Apothecary can perform, he hardly loves nothing more than to do it, and as for moaning about how much he loves the Emperor, hardly, its no different than a Roman Cathlic being given a benediction when they die.
[quote]The Ultramarines with their laurels and pseudo-Latin are absolutely not inspired by the Romans.
The Blood Angels aren't visually styled after renaissance art styles and vampires.[/quote]
And either of those are inherently gay? I think not.
Just as an aside, you can get the glands out without the marine dying. 5 and ten years after implantation, respectively.
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;40509450]You linked [url]http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/[/url] as a source, you've pretty much fucked up any credibility you had. (Oddly enough I had a theory that you were going to cite that page) Other than the chest and neck progenoids, that image is a complete and total fabrication.[/QUOTE]
I fail to see how the wiki is any less credible than the numerous 40k books that are published, or the official games rules. Any of the 'facts' that can be referenced by anyone about 40k are nothing more than stories made up by Games Workshop or fans to add a theme and some flavor to a tabletop wargame rule set. Warhammer, being originally about strategy wargaming and model building, is all about theme and flavor from the company and community. This isn't about credibility, factual information, or ''canon." It's about poking a little bit of fun at the homoerotic undertones in Space Marine lore. Simmer down and laugh at yourself a little.
[QUOTE=Doctor Death921;40509391]I'd like to argue that the books are actually rather nice. Some are pretty bad, but I can say if you enjoy the lore, you probably enjoy the books if you are into reading.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough. I fully admit my assertion that the books are terrible is a personal opinion.
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509558]I fail to see how the wiki is any less credible than the numerous 40k books that are published, or the official games rules. Any of the 'facts' that can be referenced by anyone about 40k are nothing more than stories made up by Games Workshop or fans to add a theme and some flavor to a tabletop wargame rule set. Warhammer, being originally about strategy wargaming and model building, is all about theme and flavor from the company and community. This isn't about credibility, factual information, or ''canon." It's about poking a little bit of fun at the homoerotic undertones in Space Marine lore. Simmer down and laugh at yourself a little.
Fair enough. I fully admit my assertion that the books are terrible is a personal opinion.[/QUOTE]
that hardly means whatever shlock is thrown out as an answer is in fact an answer
[QUOTE=Jeep-Eep;40509528]Just as an aside, you can get the glands out without the marine dying. 5 and ten years after implantation, respectively.[/QUOTE]
In 5 and 10 years they [I]mature[/I] the throat progenoid can be removed relatively easily (but isn't always) but the chest one, while it matures in a decade, taking it out ends up killing the marine. Leaving the progenoids in is preferable though, as they grow, change and improve the longer they are in.
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509360]Right, sorry. Let me correct my fabrications.
Space Marines don't have apothecaries, who recover the progenoid gland from other Space Marines. My bad.
Space Marines are not made by inserting (fictional) foreign organs into genetically modified (but originally human) specimens who are restrained during the process.
A zygote is also not the earliest stage of an embryo.
The Ultramarines with their laurels and pseudo-Latin are absolutely [I]not[/I] inspired by the Romans.
The Blood Angels aren't visually styled after renaissance art styles and vampires.
Also, might I suggest you [URL="http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Progenoid_Glands"]read this[/URL]? There's a nice little graphic there that details the progenoid gland, which includes the Harncorx Capsule.
And about 'facts'...this is an argument about the relative gayness of fictional group of 8-foot tall spacemen who fly around fighting aliens and magical monsters from [I]the space between spaces[/I]. My facts are as good as yours, don't get so butthurt about it. You're obviously having a hard time handling me emphasizing the already homoerotic spin that surrounds your favorite spacemonks. Chill out, it's just a tabletop game surrounded by a bunch of mediocre books.[/QUOTE]
That picture you cited is from a DeviantArt account, you can see the watermark there plain as day. Plus Warhammer40K wiki is a terrible site, and Lexicanum is literally a million times better in every way, and actually gets its info from Games Workshop literature and rulebooks.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40509572]that hardly means whatever shlock is thrown out as an answer is in fact an answer[/QUOTE]
Answers? Nobody's asking questions. There's just a few people poking fun at the overmasculine and slightly homoerotic Space Marines, and a few people who are taking Warhammer 40k way too seriously.
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509558]I fail to see how the wiki is any less credible than the numerous 40k books that are published, or the official games rules. Any of the 'facts' that can be referenced by anyone about 40k are nothing more than stories made up by Games Workshop or fans to add a theme and some flavor to a tabletop wargame rule set. Warhammer, being originally about strategy wargaming and model building, is all about theme and flavor from the company and community. This isn't about credibility, factual information, or ''canon." It's about poking a little bit of fun at the homoerotic undertones in Space Marine lore. Simmer down and laugh at yourself a little.
Fair enough. I fully admit my assertion that the books are terrible is a personal opinion.[/QUOTE]
You believe that wiki is just as credible as anything that the IP owner and creator of warhammer 40k commissions/endorses? You need serious help.
The information in the books, rulebooks and magazine articles are infinately more credible than fan speculation (albeit that wiki and others are often, collated from the official stuff, but that wiki has a bad reputation for just straight up making shit up)
The only homoerotic undertones there really are in space marine lore are the ones you yourself are imprinting onto it.
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509613]Answers? Nobody's asking questions. There's just a few people poking fun at the overmasculine and slightly homoerotic Space Marines, and a few people who are taking Warhammer 40k way too seriously.[/QUOTE]
there doesn't have to be explicit questions for what are essentially answers
no ones taking it too seriously
a discussion isn't serious
[QUOTE=RayvenQ;40509626]You believe that wiki is just as credible as anything that the IP owner and creator of warhammer 40k commissions/endorses? You need serious help.
The information in the books, rulebooks and magazine articles are infinately more credible than fan speculation (albeit that wiki and others are often, collated from the official stuff, but that wiki has a bad reputation for just straight up making shit up)
The only homoerotic undertones there really are in space marine lore are the ones you yourself are imprinting onto it.[/QUOTE]
The whole point of Warhammer lore is to add flavor to a tabletop game and sell branded products. The rulebooks (especially the Space Marine ones) encourage players to create their own sub-armies and add their own flavor to the game to add to it's enjoyment. You can't really talk about 'credibility' in that kind of environment. It's not an academic or scientific field, nor is it actually something based in reality. It's a fantasy world people enter for fun, and there's nothing wrong with poking fun at it.
[QUOTE=fulgrim;40509241]yeah im a little confused about how some of you guys are getting all of these homoerotic messages from space marines.[/QUOTE]
internet feminists claiming that big men/muscled men or otherwise strong types of males is nothing more than just a hidden homo erotic gay power fantasy.
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509712]The whole point of Warhammer lore is to add flavor to a tabletop game and sell branded products. The rulebooks (especially the Space Marine ones) encourage players to create their own sub-armies and add their own flavor to the game to add to it's enjoyment. You can't really talk about 'credibility' in that kind of environment. It's not an academic or scientific field, nor is it actually something based in reality. It's a fantasy world people enter for fun, and there's nothing wrong with poking fun at it.[/QUOTE]
oh yeah that totally negates the actual and official material that is separate from fanfic and makes all of it free form
nope
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;40509770]oh yeah that totally negates the actual and official material that is separate from fanfic and makes all of it free form
nope[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure you just missed my entire point.
Let me try again:
Warhammer 40,000 is a fantasy world that people immerse themselves in for fun. There is nothing wrong with poking fun at some of the absurdities in a fantasy world.
You're arguing about what's 'official' and 'actual' about a fantasy universe, and you're doing it on an internet forum with someone who is poking fun at a hobby you both share to some degree. Don't you see how that's kind of silly?
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509797]I'm pretty sure you just missed my entire point.
Let me try again:
Warhammer 40,000 is a fantasy world that people immerse themselves in for fun. There is nothing wrong with poking fun at some of the absurdities in a fantasy world.[/QUOTE]
no i got your point
i don't think you're right for that point
there is a difference in poking fun and saying that the universe is your way and not the other way
there's such a thing as scale
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509712]The whole point of Warhammer lore is to add flavor to a tabletop game and sell branded products. The rulebooks (especially the Space Marine ones) encourage players to create their own sub-armies and add their own flavor to the game to add to it's enjoyment. You can't really talk about 'credibility' in that kind of environment. It's not an academic or scientific field, nor is it actually something based in reality. It's a fantasy world people enter for fun, and there's nothing wrong with poking fun at it.[/QUOTE]
I agree with most of this. I think the reason why people are arguing is that you got a lot of facts wrong. The basic canon are similar to the ones that go 'no girl space marines'. While it isn't entirely up the player to make his/her own stuff up, it still leaves a fair bit of room for fanon. I don't think it's technically wrong to call Space Marines gay but I do think its silly and immature. It's just my opinion though.
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509797]
You're arguing about what's 'official' and 'actual' about a fantasy universe, and you're doing it on an internet forum with someone who is poking fun at a hobby you both share to some degree. Don't you see how that's kind of silly?[/QUOTE]
i'm confused about what a disagreement is supposed to be in your world
it is probably one of the more normal things to disagree with someone and state why you feel that way
it's also probably normal for the other person to still insist that his opinion is an opinion and therefore right
do you not see how silly it is to call things gay
isn't that like, so 2001?
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509797]I'm pretty sure you just missed my entire point.
Let me try again:
Warhammer 40,000 is a fantasy world that people immerse themselves in for fun. There is nothing wrong with poking fun at some of the absurdities in a fantasy world.
You're arguing about what's 'official' and 'actual' about a fantasy universe, and you're doing it on an internet forum with someone who is poking fun at a hobby you both share to some degree. Don't you see how that's kind of silly?[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, that's fine. It's just that you're wrong.
i cant wait for the bioware-style romance between a space marine protagonist and a daemonette
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40509969]i cant wait for the bioware-style romance between a space marine protagonist and a daemonette[/QUOTE]
Or the eldar farseer romance option. Can't wait for ork love dlc
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;40509969]i cant wait for the bioware-style romance between a space marine protagonist and a daemonette[/QUOTE]
Hopefully, it goes something like [url=http://1d4chan.org/wiki/HS40K][/url]:
[quote]He could feel her stroking his bolt pistol with one hand. "Hwee have consorted with thee ruinouuus poweers. Whee have made pacts with thee dark gods. Hwee have falleen to heresyy... Hwee need a beeg, strong, mehreen to geef us thee Emperor's mercyy..."
Scout Marine felt his multiple hearts quicken his pulse as she wriggled on top of him. He slid one hand up to her chest, and squeezed gently. The other, he reached down and began to hike up her dress.
He stammered, then steadied his voice. "Know...know this, heretic! Tonight the judgment of the Emperor is come upon you! You have turned from his light, and you must be purged."
"Hyesss...hyess!"
The old truck rocked back and forth on its springs. The crickets went silent as the voices of the young lovers filled the air.
"Oh...oh God-Emperor..."
"Purge mee...purge meeeheehee!"[/quote]
Quote random shit
Claim you're correct without fail
How to shitpost in two steps
I'm glad this hasn't been confirmed yet, although i would like to hear something official about Dark Millennium online soon.
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509712]The whole point of Warhammer lore is to add flavor to a tabletop game and sell branded products. The rulebooks (especially the Space Marine ones) encourage players to create their own sub-armies and add their own flavor to the game to add to it's enjoyment. You can't really talk about 'credibility' in that kind of environment. It's not an academic or scientific field, nor is it actually something based in reality. It's a fantasy world people enter for fun, and there's nothing wrong with poking fun at it.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509558]I fail to see how the wiki is any less credible than the numerous 40k books that are published, or the official games rules. Any of the 'facts' that can be referenced by anyone about 40k are nothing more than stories made up by Games Workshop or fans to add a theme and some flavor to a tabletop wargame rule set. Warhammer, being originally about strategy wargaming and model building, is all about theme and flavor from the company and community. This isn't about credibility, factual information, or ''canon." It's about poking a little bit of fun at the homoerotic undertones in Space Marine lore. Simmer down and laugh at yourself a little.[/quote]
W40K still has a canon though. Anything officially said, approved or published by GW is canon (Books, games etc), everything else is not. The things players themselves create are not canon and have no effect on the lore at all. The W40K wiki is a terrible site, which purposely uses non-canon fan-made information and pictures (For example, they use fan-made pictures of things that have no official description and say "oh, it COULD look like that, so it's ok") instead of choosing to use official or at least more sensible things.
You can't seriously think fan made pictures and stories are just as credible as official information in a setting that has an established canon.
every good God-Emperor fearing citizen with a bit of intelligence between their ears reads the truth from the Lexicanum
[QUOTE=Daemonshadow;40509558]I fail to see how the wiki is any less credible than the numerous 40k books that are published, or the official games rules. Any of the 'facts' that can be referenced by anyone about 40k are nothing more than stories made up by Games Workshop or fans to add a theme and some flavor to a tabletop wargame rule set. Warhammer, being originally about strategy wargaming and model building, is all about theme and flavor from the company and community. This isn't about credibility, factual information, or ''canon." It's about poking a little bit of fun at the homoerotic undertones in Space Marine lore. Simmer down and laugh at yourself a little.
Fair enough. I fully admit my assertion that the books are terrible is a personal opinion.[/QUOTE]
warhammer40k.wikia.com is known to use a lot of fan based material on top of official fluff and mixes both of them together. The maintainer of the wiki even said so, that he doesn't terribly care about official and fan made role.
If you want to use a more lore friendly wiki - use lexicanum.
Essentially it's generally understood that warhammer is tiered into 4 layers of cannon more or less.
a) Codex materials directly published by GW - index astartes, codex stories etc
b) materials published by sources close to GW - forgeworld, blacklibrary etc
c) materials published by GW license - videogames, the tabletop rpg etc
d) fan materials
As a rule of thumb both c and b are valid until overruled by direct GW canon.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;40513045]warhammer40k.wikia.com is known to use a lot of fan based material on top of official fluff and mixes both of them together. The maintainer of the wiki even said so, that he doesn't terribly care about official and fan made role.
If you want to use a more lore friendly wiki - use lexicanum.
Essentially it's generally understood that warhammer is tiered into 4 layers of cannon more or less.
a) Codex materials directly published by GW - index astartes, codex stories etc
b) materials published by sources close to GW - forgeworld, blacklibrary etc
c) materials published by GW license - videogames, the tabletop rpg etc
d) fan materials
As a rule of thumb both c and b are valid until overruled by direct GW canon.[/QUOTE]
I was under the impression that it's all canon (except fan made stuff) and if it's something GW publishes or is involved with, it's canon. Like Valve they don't have a true canon and non-canon which means even something being contradicted doesn't really matter - e.g not all information from one Codex makes it to the next version but that doesn't mean the missing information is now non-canon.
Sounds bad to some but it would be cool if Bethesda did it.
A sort of fallout like 40k game where your valkryie was shot down and you have to discover who/what did it. It would have a planet system where you could travel around to different planets all with their own struggles and in the end it turns out the planet system is headed for exterminatus and you have to halt it.
Fucking hell why do I ask for such impossible things.
[QUOTE=007JamesBond007;40516220]Sounds bad to some but it would be cool if Bethesda did it.
A sort of fallout like 40k game where your valkryie was shot down and you have to discover who/what did it. It would have a planet system where you could travel around to different planets all with their own struggles and in the end it turns out the planet system is headed for exterminatus and you have to halt it.
Fucking hell why do I ask for such impossible things.[/QUOTE]i want a game where some hot-headed overzealous Chapter (not Black Templars) comes into conflict with the civilian-protecting Salamanders
[QUOTE=Joazzz;40516248]i want a game where some hot-headed overzealous Chapter (not Black Templars) comes into conflict with the civilian-protecting Salamanders[/QUOTE]
And I want to see one where death company and khornate marines go head to head. The planet would probably explode from the pure rage.
I have leaked Gameplay footage here. For some reason media tags are broken
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6YIu23rcwU[/url]
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eTtNohqdrc[/url]
I want to play as an gaurdsman or as a commisair.
Shouting FOR THE EMPEROR whilst shooting your fleeing man in the back..
wait... that doesnt sound like you will last long.
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