Israel won’t demolish homes of families who turn in terrorists - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Faunze;49808143]The whole situation is kind of fucked up. As a general person with no patriotic tendencies, the entire idea of Israel as a whole is very much on the fence, but of course I can sympathise with the people born and brought there. I can also sympathise with the Palestinian fighters that are very easily called terrorists (mainly because of their sometimes downright shameful fighting tactics(both sides eh?)). Fighting fire with fire doesn't work though, not in the case of humans and ideology, shooting teenagers with rocks in their hands, unarmed civilians and demolishing houses of families of potential militants and families that have had no part other than being shelled is an atrocity a developed country should know better to do. It's just not a good long term plan for anyone. But hey, all Israelis think they are the "good guys" and vice versa for the Palestinians.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of Gaza. Israel doesn't demolish houses in Gaza and we stopped preemptively demolishing houses a few years ago. It's not as simple as shooting teens with rocks in their hands, there's been a huge stabbing epidemic in Israel by Palestinians.

Whats with all these Nazi Germany parallels? There wouldn't be many citations of Nazi Germany as a comparison if we weren't talking about Jews/Israel here.

Hebron is still in Palestinian territory though is that not right? Late edit: I am very aware of the stabbing trend, there does seem to be a trend of the "dominant force" here though, not that I support violence of any kind. One can't help but feel this might fuel retaliation, a five year old could see this is an endless cycle.

[QUOTE=Faunze;49808188]Hebron is still in Palestinian territory though is that not right?[/QUOTE] 97% of Hebron is Palestinian while the other 3% are Israeli settlers who have to stay within a small part of Hebron for security reasons.

Demolishing the home of someone because his cousin committed a crime, is apartheid, fucked up and tantamount to collective punishment.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;49808525]Demolishing the home of someone because his cousin committed a crime, is apartheid, fucked up and tantamount to collective punishment.[/QUOTE] Seeing you knowing much about it, you'll probably act different, right? If you have any other idea on how to stop this stabbing trend then don't keep it to yourself. Share.

This seems like a great way to get a bunch of fake reports. Who knew people really don't like their houses being destroyed.

[QUOTE=RzDat;49807350]I said it before on my previous post and i'm gonna say it again: They are guilty if they don't cooperate. After all, they are the ones who accept the money for turning a member of their family into a shaid (See: [url]http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2302/palestinian-authority-terrorist-salaries[/url])[/QUOTE] So, it's okay to punish them if they are guilty. They are guilty if they do not cooperate. They get punished if they do not cooperate. By this logic you can force anyone to do anything and punish them with anything without even needing to prove if they've committed a crime or not. People will resort to terrorism if they feel it's their only option to stand up for themselves. Don't you think Israel has been driving them into a corner for the longest while now, or is that okay because they resorted to terrorism in the first place? If Israel's plan is to create more terrorists to kill, they are succeeding. In Middle-East a similar thing is happening; every bystander caught in an airstrike or captured/interrogated will boost the support and numbers of local guerillas.

turn in your family and we won't destroy your house how is this in any way defendable [editline]25th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=RzDat;49809489]Seeing you knowing much about it, you'll probably act different, right? If you have any other idea on how to stop this stabbing trend then don't keep it to yourself. Share.[/QUOTE] how about not committing something that is a breach of the geneva conventions and a violation of human rights

I think that Israel shouldn't do this unless they are more cautious about it and can strongly prove that it is an effective deterrence. I think its a bad idea that will just fuel the anti-Israel propaganda machine and undermines Israel's own principles. But everyone comparing this to Nazi Germany is a complete moron, this isn't even close.

[QUOTE=RzDat;49809489]Seeing you knowing much about it, you'll probably act different, right? If you have any other idea on how to stop this stabbing trend then don't keep it to yourself. Share.[/QUOTE] Holy shiy You dont stop somethinf by going after the family you genius. If anything at all you're making things worse. If the end justifies the means then your country is just too fucking hypocrital.

Destroying peoples houses is a pretty shitty thing to do, but if its an effective deterrent then it might be worth it. Keep in mind a lot of the families support the terroists actions and hold massive funerals/parades for the terrorist where they are glorified and made to look like heroes. [media] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVb2zBByGCA[/url] [/media]

[QUOTE=Cutthecrap;49810507]Holy shiy You dont stop somethinf by going after the family you genius. If anything at all you're making things worse. If the end justifies the means then your country is just too fucking hypocrital.[/QUOTE] You know, I would agree with you that going after the family was going to make things worse, but this is different here. You can't have sympathy for a population who is always trying to kill you and hates your guts more than ISIS. If YOUR country suffers a long wave of lunatics stabbing random people in the street (especially when you lose someone close to you), [B]you will never have sympathy for their families especially when they receive benefits and glorified as heros.[/B] This "trend" has been going on for years and it's impossible to resort to less extreme measures. Too many people already died because of these attacks and it's time to stop the Palestinian Authority creating more incitement among the population. Just because of their moronic antics Palestinians have to suffer from the consequences. The PA, Hamas and Fatah use the Palestinians as pawns. They only incite them to gain media popularity, make Israel look like the big threat and for their own agenda. I wonder why nobody ever called out the corruption of the PA? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BYbNgwnpHM[/media] This is a perfect example. Bassem Eid calls out the corruption of the PA authority and the real motives of Hamas and Fatah.

[QUOTE=RzDat;49810817]You know, I would agree with you that going after the family was going to make things worse, but this is different here. You can't have sympathy for a population who is always trying to kill you and hates your guts more than ISIS. If YOUR country suffers a long wave of lunatics stabbing random people in the street (especially when you lose someone close to you), [B]you will never have sympathy for their families especially when they receive benefits and glorified as heros.[/B] This "trend" has been going on for years and it's impossible to resort to less extreme measures. Too many people already died because of these attacks and it's time to stop the Palestinian Authority creating more incitement among the population. Just because of their moronic antics Palestinians have to suffer from the consequences. The PA, Hamas and Fatah use the Palestinians as pawns. They only incite them to gain media popularity, make Israel look like the big threat and for their own agenda. I wonder why nobody ever called out the corruption of the PA? This is a perfect example. Bassem Eid calls out the corruption of the PA authority and the real motives of Hamas and Fatah.[/QUOTE] stop trying to justify collective punishment with "buh buh we can't sympathise with the enemy" human rights and the geneva convention don't give a shit if you "sympathise" with them or not there's a lot of people in this world we don't sympathise with, that doesn't justify committing human rights violations against INNOCENT PEOPLE

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49811311]stop trying to justify collective punishment with "buh buh we can't sympathise with the enemy" human rights and the geneva convention don't give a shit if you "sympathise" with them or not there's a lot of people in this world we don't sympathise with, that doesn't justify committing human rights violations against INNOCENT PEOPLE[/QUOTE] So what solution would you argue for? Should Israel start giving cash incentives for Palestinians to [I]not[/I] murder Israelis in terrorist attacks?

Why is everyone here hating on Palestinians? This is their God damn fucking land, and they aren't allowed to fight back? Wtf is the logic behind that?

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49811311]stop trying to justify collective punishment with "buh buh we can't sympathise with the enemy" human rights and the geneva convention don't give a shit if you "sympathise" with them or not there's a lot of people in this world we don't sympathise with, that doesn't justify committing human rights violations against INNOCENT PEOPLE[/QUOTE] Why do you even bother saying "DONT DO THAT" all the time? Instead you should be suggesting better solutions. In fact, nobody in this thread even tried to do that.

[QUOTE=RzDat;49812379]Why do you even bother saying "DONT DO THAT" all the time? Instead you should be suggesting better solutions. In fact, nobody in this thread even tried to do that.[/QUOTE] If they're like everyone else I've heard make their points, then the only real solution would be to get rid of Israel because the palestinians have ever right to fight back against Israel for "taking their land."

[QUOTE=RzDat;49812379]Why do you even bother saying "DONT DO THAT" all the time? Instead you should be suggesting better solutions. In fact, nobody in this thread even tried to do that.[/QUOTE] better solutions to what? a violent crime problem? stabbings? you're honestly arguing that the only solution to a violent crime problem/terrorism is fucking sippenhaft

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49812557]better solutions to what? a violent crime problem? stabbings? you're honestly arguing that the only solution to a violent crime problem/terrorism is fucking sippenhaft[/QUOTE] Well don't expect the government to jack off and do nothing, especially when you piss off someone like Netanyahu. I personally didn't want it or support it, but now after a century of continued attacks this seems like the only way. It's fucking delusional to think that doing nothing will solve the problem.

[QUOTE=RzDat;49812609]Well don't expect the government to jack off and do nothing, especially when you piss off someone like Netanyahu. I personally didn't want it or support it, but now after a century of continued attacks this seems like the only way. It's fucking delusional to think that doing nothing will solve the problem.[/QUOTE] there is a fucking realm of possibility between fucking [B]sippenhaft[/B] and 'doing nothing' israel is not the only country to have this problem, nor will it be the last see: the troubles

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49812626]there is a fucking realm of possibility between fucking [B]sippenhaft[/B] and 'doing nothing' israel is not the only country to have this problem, nor will it be the last see: the troubles[/QUOTE] Well jeez, if there's a [B]fucking realm[/B] of possibility between this and that, why aren't you suggesting a better solution? because honestly i'm out of ideas.

[QUOTE=RzDat;49812609]Well don't expect the government to jack off and do nothing, especially when you piss off someone like Netanyahu. I personally didn't want it or support it, but now after a century of continued attacks this seems like the only way. It's fucking delusional to think that doing nothing will solve the problem.[/QUOTE] So what you are saying is that Palestinians aren't allowed to fight back and take back their land? They should just sit there until all of them are either killed or kicked off of their land? You say to many people died of this attacks, you know how many Palestinians have died ever since the Jews came and took their lands? This isn't their land! Palestinians have every right to fight back for freedom and take back their land.

[QUOTE=RzDat;49812643]Well jeez, if there's a [B]fucking realm[/B] of possibility between this and that, why aren't you suggesting a better solution? because honestly i'm out of ideas.[/QUOTE] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles[/URL] how about improving the situation in palestine, because it's pretty fucking clear that palestine is a terrible place, which isn't being helped by a blockade, and a refusal of israel to acknowledge it as a sovereign nation you deny these people sovereignty, you build a fucking wall around them and blockade them, and then you have the GALL to say that you were "FORCED" into sippenhaft because of knife attacks if britain had acted like palestine during the troubles, they'd still be going on now

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49812662][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles[/URL] how about improving the situation in palestine, because it's pretty fucking clear that palestine is a terrible place, which isn't being helped by a blockade, and a refusal of israel to acknowledge it as a sovereign nation you deny these people sovereignty, you build a fucking wall around them and blockade them, and then you have the GALL to say that you were "FORCED" into sippenhaft because of knife attacks if britain had acted like palestine during the troubles, they'd still be going on now[/QUOTE] Israel isn't responsible for Palestine's well being. The PA, Hamas and Fatah are in charge of them and act as governments. All 3 of them are corrupt the same way as each other: Instead of rebuilding the Gaza strip, stabilizing the relations between the parties and forming a stable government, they focus all their funds on fighting Israel and provoking incitement. The main root of all problems are these three. Palestinians are abandoned by their own governments and used as tools for war. The blockade is a direct result from all these centuries-long attacks against Israeli citizens. Palestinians need to get their shit together before even thinking about being recognized as a state. They need to fix their toxic government and come to the negotiation table with Israel. [b](See: Bassem Eid's speech on the matter in the video on one of my previous posts)[/b] [QUOTE=vrej;49812659]So what you are saying is that Palestinians aren't allowed to fight back and take back their land? They should just sit there until all of them are either killed or kicked off of their land? You say to many people died of this attacks, you know how many Palestinians have died ever since the Jews came and took their lands? This isn't their land! Palestinians have every right to fight back for freedom and take back their land.[/QUOTE] Look, i'd write a wall of text for you but you need to know A LOT more about the conflict.

You know,shit like this makes me wonder why no one comes around to give the Arab states part of the blame they deserve when they refused to take in Palestinian refugees after the 1948 war.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49812662][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles[/URL] how about improving the situation in palestine, because it's pretty fucking clear that palestine is a terrible place, which isn't being helped by a blockade, and a refusal of israel to acknowledge it as a sovereign nation you deny these people sovereignty, you build a fucking wall around them and blockade them, and then you have the GALL to say that you were "FORCED" into sippenhaft because of knife attacks if britain had acted like palestine during the troubles, they'd still be going on now[/QUOTE] We're talking about the West Bank, not Gaza. Israel is not blockading the West Bank and since the wall has been built, suicide bombings have dropped from twice a week to almost unheard of. Israeli companies like Sodastream have tried to invest in the West Bank and offered higher wages than most of the other jobs in the West Bank but were driven away by BDS. Israel is blockading Gaza because Hamas has shown that they cannot be trusted with building materials. They literally sink the materials into the ground to make tunnels into Israel and Egypt.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;49812662][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles[/URL] how about improving the situation in palestine, because it's pretty fucking clear that palestine is a terrible place, which isn't being helped by a blockade, and a refusal of israel to acknowledge it as a sovereign nation you deny these people sovereignty, you build a fucking wall around them and blockade them, and then you have the GALL to say that you were "FORCED" into sippenhaft because of knife attacks if britain had acted like palestine during the troubles, they'd still be going on now[/QUOTE] They aren't being denied sovereignty. They don't want it because they only want peace if Israel is destroyed. They have rejected Palestinian states multiple times because they want to drive the Jews into the sea. They are the cause of the wall being built. They constantly attacked Israel with suicide bombs, forcing Israel to build a wall to prevent the damage (which it was arguably effective at). Britain was facing an enemy that wasn't being puppeteered by multiple foreign countries. Britain was facing an enemy that accepted that Britain had a right to exist. Britain was facing an enemy that, while brutal, had somewhat achievable political aims and could be negotiated with. There is literally no comparison.

[QUOTE=vrej;49812317]Why is everyone here hating on Palestinians? This is their God damn fucking land, and they aren't allowed to fight back? Wtf is the logic behind that?[/QUOTE] It's the opposite. A lot of people here actually like them but because of Hamas and the Israeli government they are kind of fucked and there is no way to stop Israel from mowing over them.

[QUOTE=vrej;49812317]Why is everyone here hating on Palestinians? This is their God damn fucking land, and they aren't allowed to fight back? Wtf is the logic behind that?[/QUOTE] Because it's not their god damn fucking land?