Parents take seriously ill child from hospital and flee to France - Polidicks

He's been found, alive, in Spain [URL]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29001388[/URL] The arrest warrant was "based around neglect", said Mr Shead. But he stressed it did not necessarily mean Ashya's parents would be charged with that offence.

[QUOTE=Elexar;45835985]Their interpretation of the bible has the result that [I]"the use of procedures that involve the removal and storage of their own blood are often unacceptable"[/I]. Read the rest of [url="http://ceaccp.oxfordjournals.org/content/4/2/35.full"]this article[/url] and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah's_Witnesses_and_blood_transfusions"]this wikipedia page[/url] before making any more ignorant remarks like what you just said. I couldn't care less about what a Jehovah's Witnesses does and doesn't, but your uninformed generalization is just plain bullshit mate.[/QUOTE] So-o-o-o, basically the treatment is against their beliefs. Which is stupid. In fact it's idiotic.

you'd think they would snap out of their little fantasy worlds when their child is in danger but nope gotta go put him at an even greater risk instead

Terminally ill child, taken out of hospital for unknown reasons? Media can only speculate. In that situation, taking the child out for one last holiday to France/Spain, isn't such an in-humane thing to do. What I don't understand is why there is an arrest out for them.

Kid was found in spain, they were seeking an experimental proton treatment Source: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29001388[/url]

[QUOTE=Sableye;45837049]blood transfusions, certain medicines, basically they probably don't approve of brain surgery [editline]29th August 2014[/editline] but they generally don't actually seek the best medical treatment for themselves or their children, just about every year an article comes out that some kid with preventable diseases or easily treatable conditions die because their parents don't allow treatment[/QUOTE] I know this is a bit late, but this case had nothing to do with the religion itself, the only thing JW's don't take is blood transfusions and the treatment in question didn't involve that so it had nothing to do with that. As much as I dislike the religion considering I grew up in it, this is just stupid media sensationalism using a controversial religion to pin blame on and make a story out of. From what I heard the hospital were refusing to treat the child saying he was too far gone, but the family found that there was potential treatment elsewhere and attempted to get the child to spain so he could get the treatment, nothing to do with the religion.

I wish more Jehova's Witnesses could avoid the whole fanaticism and be as chill as my biological grandparents. I used to think all JW were insane nutjobs before I met them. Ever since my dad reunited with them they've been very loving despite knowing both me and my dad are atheists, they don't celebrate birthdays for themselves but don't mind when dad congratulates them and don't mind joining in on our celebrations, and I've never once seen them deny any treatment to my disabled wheelchair bound auntie that they help take care of. Just goes to show that being an awesome person has nothing to do with what religion you believe in.

[QUOTE=Simski;45862231]I wish more Jehova's Witnesses could avoid the whole fanaticism and be as chill as my biological grandparents. I used to think all JW were insane nutjobs before I met them. Ever since my dad reunited with them they've been very loving despite knowing both me and my dad are atheists, they don't celebrate birthdays for themselves but don't mind when dad congratulates them and don't mind joining in on our celebrations, and I've never once seen them deny any treatment to my disabled wheelchair bound auntie that they help take care of. Just goes to show that being an awesome person has nothing to do with what religion you believe in.[/QUOTE] Well of course they won't deny treatment to your auntie, it's only blood they don't do. However if they ever used blood they'd be excommunicated, so it's not like JW's have much of a choice on the whole blood thing. The JW religion pretty much requires fanatical devotion, they don't tolerate people who don't follow all the rules. This story however had nothing to do with the religion, so it's irrelevant to what happened the media just brought it up because it makes them easier to demonise.

For the record, the reason they took the child has been clarified already. They wanted to sell a holiday home in Spain, to fund a proton therapy to be undertaken in Prague or something similar. - aka they did want to get the best possible medical care for the kid, they just acted like idiots about it.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;45863126]For the record, the reason they took the child has been clarified already. They wanted to sell a holiday home in Spain, to fund a proton therapy to be undertaken in Prague or something similar. - aka they did want to get the best possible medical care for the kid, they just acted like idiots about it.[/QUOTE] From what I've heard it's more the doctors being idiots and not allowing them to get the kid the treatment he needs.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45863234]From what I've heard it's more the doctors being idiots and not allowing them to get the kid the treatment he needs.[/QUOTE] proton beam treatment is only available for eye cancers in the uk at the moment.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45863234]From what I've heard it's more the doctors being idiots and not allowing them to get the kid the treatment he needs.[/QUOTE] It was that the NHS didn't provide the treatment they wanted, so they went to Spain to get it privately. I'm not sure why they had to sneak off there though

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45835953] I believe their refusal to accept blood transfusions stems from a belief that it's analogous to eating blood, and eating of fat and blood is forbidden by God.[/QUOTE] So black pudding, shortening and butter is off the menu then? What a bleak existence

I misspelt some shit...

[QUOTE=Marzipas;45863443]proton beam treatment is only available for eye cancers in the uk at the moment.[/QUOTE] Well yeah I know that because my dad works at the only place in Britain that does Proton beam treatment, but there was no reason for them to refuse the parents the right to take their child to the czech republic to get the treatment, they didn't do anything legally wrong.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;45863595]Well yeah I know that because my dad works at the only place in Britain that does Proton beam treatment, but there was no reason for them to refuse the parents the right to take their child to the czech republic to get the treatment, they didn't do anything legally wrong.[/QUOTE] The doctor's opinion was that the child had to be under 24 hour care in a hospital, which means it would be impossible to travel. The doctors said the child would be at risk of dying if he didn't stay in hospital but his parents took him anyway, putting his life at risk. They've been arrested for neglect because of this.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;45863638]The doctor's opinion was that the child had to be under 24 hour care in a hospital, which means it would be impossible to travel. The doctors said the child would be at risk of dying if he didn't stay in hospital but his parents took him anyway, putting his life at risk. They've been arrested for neglect because of this.[/QUOTE] Yes and the doctors are talking shit, the parents had all the stuff they needed to care for the kid, the kid was just going to sit in hospital and die any way so they might as well have tried. There was no reason for all the bullshit they did to the parents at all, particularly considering they used their religion to start a witch hunt.

Hello, I'm a Jehova's Witness, AMA. I know this is practically suicide, but any doubts, please tell me. Also, since this seems like it's a topic that pops often, we [b]don't[/b] believe in Hell.

[QUOTE=matt.ant;45863456]It was that the NHS didn't provide the treatment they wanted, so they went to Spain to get it privately. I'm not sure why they had to sneak off there though[/QUOTE] Because the doctor was threatening him with protection orders on the child if he tried to seek alternative treatment safer than the options he had in the UK. So much for justice if you're charging a fucking arrest warrant for parents who want a higher quality treatment than what the so called professionals allow. OP is disgustingly oversimplified and is missing all the reasoning behind this.

[QUOTE=Kierany9;45864800] OP is disgustingly oversimplified and is missing all the reasoning behind this.[/QUOTE] That's just because I posted it as it was breaking news and they were just reporting on what they had

[QUOTE=matt.ant;45864865]That's just because I posted it as it was breaking news and they were just reporting on what they had[/QUOTE] Edit and update then.

[QUOTE=Viewer;45863696]Hello, I'm a Jehova's Witness, AMA. I know this is practically suicide, but any doubts, please tell me. Also, since this seems like it's a topic that pops often, we [b]don't[/b] believe in Hell.[/QUOTE] How do you live without putting butter on your popcorn.

I dont want to come across rude by most of the Jehova's witnesses I know are just ignorant assholes. My mum works in a school as a TA and by request of each and every JW parant in that school; asked if their child could sit out of RE lessons because the school does not each of their religion, even though there are a couple of jewish kids in there, and the majority of them are catholics.

[QUOTE=Crimor;45867508]How do you live without putting butter on your popcorn.[/QUOTE] Whaddya mean? [QUOTE=cr2142;45867931]I dont want to come across rude by most of the Jehova's witnesses I know are just ignorant assholes. My mum works in a school as a TA and by request of each and every JW parant in that school; asked if their child could sit out of RE lessons because the school does not each of their religion, even though there are a couple of jewish kids in there, and the majority of them are catholics.[/QUOTE] Well, I wouldn't really know about it, since all of the schools I went to and my little brother went to, that class was optional, so we could just choose out, so I wouldn't really know about it. I mean, if it's optional, sure there's no point being there, but hey, if it's mandatory, I mean, you don't have to sit down. It's not like they can force you to do anything or listen to anything of what they say. It's just like any other class except about that particular topic. So if it's optional, sure whatever, sit out. If it's mandatory, I see no reason to demand sitting out.

Update: Arrest warrant has been dropped and the parents have been released [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154[/url]

[QUOTE=matt.ant;45872034]Update: Arrest warrant has been dropped and the parents have been released [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29036154[/url][/QUOTE] About time, hope they can still get the kid the treatment he needs in time to give him a chance at living.