Columbia Student Will Carry a Mattress Everywhere Until Her Alleged Rapist Is Expelled - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45882630]Except I didn't say that that doesn't need to happen.[/QUOTE] Great, we agree on something.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45882605]Who has explicitly advocated to skip due process here.[/QUOTE] Antdawg for one.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;45882530]Tell me, what's a good place to move to or name to change to to escape the trauma of being raped?[/QUOTE] So basically you're saying that if you get wrongly accused of being a rapist it's your fault for not rebuilding your life from the ground up to avoid people being rancid cunts and judging you on false accusations. That's the same as victim blaming rape victims. You're literally blaming the victim for other people's crimes and stupidity. Also rape isn't some sort of physical wound that carries over. People recover from rape just fine and other people never recover from it, you can't say every rape victim ever becomes a husk after being raped. However it's considerably more common to have your social life become non-existent after being wrongly accused of rape because people are fucking idiots and will still consider you a criminal even if you were proven innocent.

It's not the same when it's a man

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45882641]Antdawg for one.[/QUOTE] I can't see anywhere where he throws due process out the window. I can only see him suggesting that: 1) The police take the case seriously 2) The police hold the suspect for the period of time they're allowed to before charging (generally 24-48 hours) 3) The police collect as much evidence as possible and if possible, press charges That's pretty normal procedure for someone suspected of having committed a crime. [QUOTE=Ganerumo;45882666]So basically you're saying that if you get wrongly accused of being a rapist it's your fault for not rebuilding your life from the ground up to avoid people being rancid cunts and judging you on false accusations. That's the same as victim blaming rape victims. You're literally blaming the victim for other people's crimes and stupidity. Also rape isn't some sort of physical wound that carries over. People recover from rape just fine and other people never recover from it, you can't say every rape victim ever becomes a husk after being raped. However it's considerably more common to have your social life become non-existent after being wrongly accused of rape because people are fucking idiots and will still consider you a criminal even if you were proven innocent.[/QUOTE] Just out of curiosity have you ever known someone on either side of the fence?

[QUOTE=Antdawg;45878221]Free to roam and potentially rape more women?[/QUOTE] Yeah flapadar, he's not advocating anything

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45882698]Yeah flapadar, he's not advocating anything[/QUOTE] If someone's suspected of any serious crime with no evidence yet they can be held temporarily - especially when there's a risk of it being repeated. That's normal procedure. Shit, [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1276521]jwj[/url] was held for over a year before a verdict was reached - and I'm fairly sure he was held before he was charged too. If there was already evidence they would have been charged and would be held until a court date...

[QUOTE=Flapadar;45882681]Just out of curiosity have you ever known someone on either side of the fence?[/QUOTE] I have. The rape victim has been overall pissed at rapists but has also recovered, the guy who got accused of rape killed himself because his career as a teacher died the instant that dumbshit student accused him.

[QUOTE=Flapadar;45882716]If someone's suspected of any serious crime with no evidence yet they can be held temporarily - especially when there's a risk of it being repeated. That's normal procedure. Shit, [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1276521]jwj[/url] was held for over a year before a verdict was reached - and I'm fairly sure he was held before he was charged too. If there was already evidence they would have been charged and would be held until a court date...[/QUOTE] So you ARE asking for due process to be violated?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45882732]So you ARE asking for due process to be violated?[/QUOTE] That [b]is[/b] due process.

I want the courts involved, this is a police matter. Just it's never okay to advocate that someone should be arrested and expelled over an accusation. The police should do a full out investigation. Why should that guy be in a jail cell without evidence from that police involvement?

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45882397]I'm ready to argue it's harder to get rid of being falsely accused of rape than to recover from having been raped. Starting with the fact the former depends entirely on other people whose thoughts and opinions are out of your control and the former greatly depends on your own mentality after the fact.[/QUOTE] I would like to apologize for my use of terminology, but the two parties mentioned in this rant will be victim and rapists, fluctuating randomly, no matter the fact of whenever the accusation is true or if the rape has actually happened. Rape accusation and situations are incredibly complicated for both parties. It is something that will always end up with one of the parties hit by a setback, either due to the rape or due to the events that proceed it. Assuming basic 4 outcomes (Accusation is True, Rapist is Punished;Accusation is True, Rapist Walks Away,Accusation is false, Pseudo-Rapist is Punished, Accusation is false, Pseudo-Rapist walks free), you always end up with someone hurt. Even the last outcome, despite the being the least direct in damage, still ends up with both parties being damage in social, educational, and law-related ways. This is of course not mentioning the rapes that have not been reported, mainly because the victim has been pressured not to, either by current situation, others, or by themselves. If either of the two outcomes is the real one, then the victim is hurt NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. This is very important to realize, as whenever or not the rapist is proven guilty/acquitted, the victim is still hurt on physical/psychological levels. So, besides the immediate physical damage sustained, pain, medical rehabilitation, there is psychological trauma and years of therapy. Not to say that from that point on, interaction and intimacy can be incredibly difficult to the individual. And if the victim has to be in the same social circles as the rapist (lived in the town), then there is a high chance that there will be social pressure upon them. I personally know a number of people who were raped, and only due to their will, personality, and a great group of friends, they have been able to rehabilitate themselves. On the other side, the pseudo-rapist will mostly feel the social (and in case of actions taken by college for example, educational) repercussions. This could mean anything, from public shaming to destruction of the local social standing. If the case acquits the rapist, they are likely to not be affected once they leave the area (of the college, for example - though I am not sure if their background is cleared after their name is). If not, then they end up investigated, and if proven guilty ruining their future, true or (very unlikely) false. But that is such a statistically small possibility, that it's most likely that these things will end up swept under the rug. So, either way, whenever true or false, even this case will just be forgotten with time, no matter how long she will carry her mattress around. Interestingly enough, assuming that most rapists are recidivists, multiple accusations (from differing sources, so not just women from the same college - but perhaps, an accusation from the accused hometown) would be a better pointer than a singular accusation.

[QUOTE=Ganerumo;45882666]So basically you're saying that if you get wrongly accused of being a rapist it's your fault for not rebuilding your life from the ground up to avoid people being rancid cunts and judging you on false accusations. That's the same as victim blaming rape victims. You're literally blaming the victim for other people's crimes and stupidity. Also rape isn't some sort of physical wound that carries over. People recover from rape just fine and other people never recover from it, you can't say every rape victim ever becomes a husk after being raped. However it's considerably more common to have your social life become non-existent after being wrongly accused of rape because people are fucking idiots and will still consider you a criminal even if you were proven innocent.[/QUOTE] Lmao, I think saying rape victims can get over it is little closer to victim blaming than saying people falsely accused at least have the possibility to escape.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;45882641]Antdawg for one.[/QUOTE] Um no, I'm asking for this incident to not be swept under the rug, for the police to detain (read: being detained is not the same as being found guilty) the suspect as long as reasonably possible to ensure that if he's a threat to society that at least he isn't while the police perform an investigation. But the biggest problem I have is the rape apologists in this thread who hide behind 'due process' and accuse me of wanting to violate that when clearly there hasn't been any investigative process to begin with.

This is taking a dakimakura to the next level.

Ha ha wanting an actual investigation, with due procezz and innocence until proven by a court of his peers makes us rape apologists. You can't be real.

So when someone is accused of a serious crime like rape by multiple people your response is to shrug your shoulders and not do anything about it? Not even open an investigation? Maybe that's why you're being called rape apologists?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45886733]So when someone is accused of a serious crime like rape by multiple people your response is to shrug your shoulders and not do anything about it? Not even open an investigation? Maybe that's why you're being called rape apologists?[/QUOTE] No one has said that the police should not investigate. Only you and antdawg want there to be punishment with no trial.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45886733]So when someone is accused of a serious crime like rape by multiple people your response is to shrug your shoulders and not do anything about it? Not even open an investigation? Maybe that's why you're being called rape apologists?[/QUOTE] Except no one has said that. The exact opposite.