Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gun - Polidicks

[QUOTE=butre;41235977]When he walks I'll be carrying my handgun. If I were him, I'd be leaving the country the minute I was free to go.[/QUOTE] Yeah, in his shoes I'd be begging for my family on the outside to arrange some travel for me as soon as I was released too. He can't just go home, that's for sure

[QUOTE=butre;41235977]When he walks I'll be carrying my handgun.[/QUOTE] Are you really that afraid of some idiots on twitter?

It's more-or-less that everyone is hyping up to think this is gonna become a Watts or LA Riot scenario again. Worst case scenario in my eyes: Some idiot is gonna get pissy and try to go shooting people. That's about it really.

No shit. Look at Treyvon's pants. Knees down scuffled and dirty

[QUOTE=Raidyr;41236086]Are you really that afraid of some idiots on twitter?[/QUOTE] Reminder that people don't exist solely on twitter and the ones you hear are just the ones that are vocal about it

[QUOTE=butre;41235977]When he walks I'll be carrying my handgun. If I were him, I'd be leaving the country the minute I was free to go.[/QUOTE] Well, he doesn't [i]have[/i] to leave the country, he could just go somewhere he's not likely to get murdered for getting off scott free. Like Oklahoma or some place.

[URL="http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/05/17/autopsy-reportedly-shows-trayvon-martin-died-from-single-gunshot-wound-fired-at/"]This Fox article[/URL] mentions the autopsy report if anyone was wondering. [QUOTE]A leaked autopsy reportedly shows that the bullet that killed Florida teen Trayvon Martin was fired from "intermediate range," which one forensics expert said means anywhere from one to 18 inches away. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE]The autopsy, conducted by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also showed that 17-year-old Martin had one small abrasion on his left ring finger below the knuckle, [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sega Saturn;41234681]I happen to think that Zimmerman is an absolute jackass and deserves to be in prison. However, I believe that the prosecution has charged him with the wrong crime- he should have been charged with voluntary manslaughter because the prosecution has no proof that Zimmerman intended to kill Martin, nor that he had prior prejudice against Martin. From what I've heard, it sounds like Martin initially tried to avoid Zimmerman until he got close to the house he was staying in, before turning around and confronting him. Nobody knows how the fight was started, but it ended with Martin overpowering Zimmerman and dealing damage to the latter's face and head, leading Zimmerman to believe his life was in danger and to use his gun to shoot and kill Martin. If Martin had only been shot and hadn't been killed, Zimmerman would have probably been charged with assault with a deadly weapon and felony battery, because he was the one who got out of his car to follow and harass a unarmed pedestrian while carrying a firearm. The fact that Martin died doesn't escalate the crime to murder, which requires the shooter to have the [I]intent[/I] to kill before the confrontation begins. Voluntary manslaughter happens when momentary circumstances lead the shooter to become enraged or frightened to the point that they are willing to kill. This Wikipedia article seems tailor-made to explain the differences between second-degree murder and voluntary manslaughter. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntary_manslaughter[/url][/QUOTE] Perfect. Also for all we know zimmerman could've started it but end up losing at the end.

[QUOTE=Iago;41237708]Perfect. Also for all we know zimmerman could've started it but end up losing at the end.[/QUOTE] "For all we know"s don't solve anything.

[QUOTE=HighdefGE;41234811]What makes you think Zimmerman was harassing him? There is nothing that supports that. Zimmerman's neighborhood had reported incidents of house robberies and he was part of his neighborhood watch group. He just happened to see someone who he's never seen in the neighborhood before who acted suspiciously and reported him to the police. Zimmerman's motive, as is anyone in neighborhood watches, is to prevent others in their neighborhoods from getting hurt. When Zimmerman caught up to him and asked him questions about what he was doing here, all Martin had to do was tell him that he's here visiting his father and sorts and everything would have been fine and chill. But when some teenager twice your size overreacts and starts beating your face to a pulp, you have the right to put him down before he hurts you and someone else. Even according to the police who took him in, they had nothing to hold or charge him with and let him go. It was only after our stupid president, the ill informed, and black communities that outraged is when the police felt pressured to arrest him.[/QUOTE] Theres no evidence that it went down like that at alll. You sound like you was there or something. All we know for sure is that a fight happened and zimmerman was getting his ass beat in the end. Also good job blaming the black community for making the police do their job. If they hadn't anybody could shoot anybody and blamie it on the dead dude, the fact the police just took zimmerman's word at first is scary. [editline]29th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;41235608]It says in the police dialog of the recorded call that Zimmerman made that Martin was approaching him. You do not understand the context of law here. Because someone is walking toward you doesn't give you the right to go and punch them in the face. Both parties had the opportunity to break contact, but if it is true that Martin was approaching Zimmerman than that would make Martin the aggressor. Now if Zimmerman were chasing Martin (as in running straight at him in a full sprint) that would be a different story, but from the evidence that does not appear to be the case. You also need to realize there's no law against following people around. If Martin felt that his safety was in concern he should have left the area or called the police instead. In any aspect, regardless of how the conflict was started, the mere fact that Martin was on top of Zimmerman is more than enough to claim the right to use a firearm in self defense. Assuming Zimmerman was the first to throw a punch that would make him criminally liable for starting the confrontation, but that would not lead to a Murder charge.[/QUOTE] Theres no evidence that Martin started the fight. How can you call Martin a aggressor for simply walking up to him but zimmerman is just well thought neighbor for doing the same. You just as bad as people who randomly calls zimmerman racist.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41228205][img]http://jonathanturley.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/ht_george_zimmerman_injuries_ll_120517_wg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] Barely a cut on on him

[QUOTE=mokkan;41237831]Barely a cut on on him[/QUOTE] Facepunch never been in a fight before and they all think one punch can kill you like in movies and videogames. The head holds a lot of blood, so it look worse then it actually is. [editline]29th June 2013[/editline] I like zimmerman's jacket tho.

i love that, ignoring all of the finer details about the altercation and the characters involved and everything else, there are still people who think a man who purposefully brought the police down on his location would also purposefully and, in some retarded users' minds, premeditatedly, kill a man

[QUOTE=Iago;41237780] Theres no evidence that Martin started the fight. [/QUOTE] Zimmerman: 28 years old 5 ft. 9 in. Overweight Asthmatic Carrying a gun (physical altercation most likely would not have happened if it was drawn, only reason it could have happened if drawn was if Martin charged him and Zimmerman didn't fire, showing he had no intention of really killing him) Martin: 17 years old 6 ft. 3 in. Athletic (football player) Truant, history of fighting, in possession of possibly stolen items Come on who do you HONESTLY think would have most likely started the fight

[QUOTE=Iago;41237857]Facepunch never been in a fight before and they all think one punch can kill you like in movies and videogames. The head holds a lot of blood, so it look worse then it actually is[/QUOTE] woah badass broski he's still cut up on the back of his head... which happened because he was on his back having his head smashed into the ground... which we know because his back was soaked and covered in wet grass why are people defending use of unnecessary force because "wow what a pussy that even isn't a lot of blood cos this one time i had a fight and there was more blood than that"

[QUOTE=Iago;41237857]Facepunch never been in a fight before and they all think one punch can kill you like in movies and videogames. The head holds a lot of blood, so it look worse then it actually is. [editline]29th June 2013[/editline] I like zimmerman's jacket tho.[/QUOTE] You seem to think head trauma cant severely hurt you, specifically getting your head pounded into the ground.

[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;41237879]woah badass broski he's still cut up on the back of his head... which happened because he was on his back having his head smashed into the ground... which we know because his back was soaked and covered in wet grass why are people defending use of unnecessary force because "wow what a pussy that even isn't a lot of blood cos this one time i had a fight and there was more blood than that"[/QUOTE] His life wasn't in danger, it's not like I can shoot somebody for giving me a small scratch.

[QUOTE=Iago;41237902]His life wasn't in danger, it's not like I can shoot somebody for giving me a small scratch.[/QUOTE] These are some serious fallacies you're pulling here dude. Also, you're on your back pinned down and getting beaten by an unknown stranger, no one's coming to help you, and he most likely just became aware of your gun. Your life is in danger.

[QUOTE=Iago;41237902]His life wasn't in danger, it's not like I can shoot somebody for giving me a small scratch.[/QUOTE] wow there's barely such thing as a 'small scratch' when you are talking about blunt force trauma. to tear skin on the skull like that without using scratching/cutting instruments or motion you'd have to try pretty fuckin hard: eg. smashing a guy's head into the ground repeatedly if someone is on top of a person doing that and there was absolutely no way to tell when it was going to end or whether it was going to get worse, then yes their life is absolutely in danger (and lets remember this is happening at night in the dark and in the rain... yeh that's pretty fucking terrifying) but yeh nevermind you're right bro zimmerman was just a pussy cos us real hardcases have been in 1 or 2 fights in our time and we could have definitely beaten up the 6'3" football player

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41237877]Zimmerman: 28 years old 5 ft. 9 in. Overweight Asthmatic Carrying a gun (physical altercation most likely would not have happened if it was drawn, only reason it could have happened if drawn was if Martin charged him and Zimmerman didn't fire, showing he had no intention of really killing him) Martin: 17 years old 6 ft. 3 in. Athletic (football player) Truant, history of fighting, in possession of possibly stolen items Come on who do you HONESTLY think would have most likely started the fight[/QUOTE] Nice to see you are using Martin's past as though they are important. I guess being in a fight in your life brands you as a criminal for life. "possibly" stolen items, how are they stolen? Get the fuck out of her. Having asthma doesn't exclude you ability to fight. zimmerman became overweight after the fight. I'm amazed how you think playing football makes you more likely to fight.

[QUOTE=Iago;41237972]Nice to see you are using Martin's past as though they are important. I guess being in a fight in your life brands you as a criminal for life. "possibly" stolen items, how are they stolen? Get the fuck out of her. Having asthma doesn't exclude you ability to fight. zimmerman became overweight after the fight. I'm amazed how you think playing football makes you more likely to fight.[/QUOTE] I'm using his past, his suspension/the "inexplicable" jewelry/screwdriver, and his being a football player as an example of his personality and potential willingness to get into a fight. They, individually, for the most part don't mean much but they build up. You getting hostile isn't going to help anything. Having asthma and being overweight (he didn't JUST become overweight) would certainly make you less capable of chasing someone down, and less willing to pick a fight with someone much bigger than you, especially given the recent burglarized homes. P.S. Being in a fight "once" doesn't make you a criminal for life, being in a fight and showing everyone your pride in that fact makes you obviously willing to do it again. EDIT: [quote]'He got mo hits cause in da 1st round,' Martin says in a November 2011 text message, apparently in reference to a fight he'd been in prior to his run-in with Zimmerman. 'He had me on da ground nd I couldn’t do ntn.'[/quote] Source: [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2331100/No-angel-George-Zimmermans-attorneys-want-villainize-Trayvon-Martin-photos-smoking-pot-texts-fighting.html]Dailymail.co.uk[/url] This is not someone who in any way repents being in a fight, he only regrets losing. Keep getting hostile and defensive and giving me boxes Iago it's not going to help you.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41237997]I'm using his past, his suspension/the "inexplicable" jewelry/screwdriver, and his being a football player as an example of his personality and potential willingness to get into a fight. They, individually, for the most part don't mean much but they build up. You getting hostile isn't going to help anything. Having asthma and being overweight (he didn't JUST become overweight) would certainly make you less capable of chasing someone down, and less willing to pick a fight with someone much bigger than you, especially given the recent burglarized homes. P.S. Being in a fight "once" doesn't make you a criminal for life, being in a fight and showing everyone your pride in that fact makes you obviously willing to do it again.[/QUOTE] That doesn't change the fact that you wasn't fucking there, we dont know what happened exactly when(If, all we have is zimmerman's word on this) Martin went up to zimmerman. You're still using assumptions and sterotypes. Just because it's less likely to happen doesn't make it impossible.

[QUOTE=Iago;41238067]That doesn't change the fact that you wasn't fucking there, we dont know what happened exactly when(If, all we have is zimmerman's word on this) Martin went up to zimmerman. You're still using assumptions and sterotypes. Just because it's less likely to happen doesn't make it impossible.[/QUOTE] Please cut it with the stereotype accusations. I've thoroughly explained why I see him as the more likely one to start the fight and all you've given is "well, you weren't there". No shit I wasn't there, that doesn't mean I can build up some sort of profile of the guy's mindset based on his previous actions as well as his reported behavior which aroused Zimmerman's suspicion in the first place.

[QUOTE=Iago;41238067]You're still using assumptions[/QUOTE] lmao

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41238090]Please cut it with the stereotype accusations. I've thoroughly explained why I see him as the more likely one to start the fight and all you've given is "well, you weren't there". No shit I wasn't there, that doesn't mean I can build up some sort of profile of the guy's mindset based on his previous actions as well as his reported behavior which aroused Zimmerman's suspicion in the first place.[/QUOTE] Building up a profile for a guy you dont know mindset is a retarded thing to do. It's not accusations because you are actually using sterotypes to tell if somebody is more likely to start a fight.

[QUOTE=Iago;41238108]Building up a profile for a guy you dont know mindset is a retarded thing to do. It's not accusations because you are actually using sterotypes to tell if somebody is more likely to start a fight.[/QUOTE] There's just no getting through to you is there. Nevermind, I guess. If someone is going to make actual discussion about this it clearly isn't you.

[QUOTE=Iago;41238067]That doesn't change the fact that you wasn't fucking there, we dont know what happened exactly when(If, all we have is zimmerman's word on this) Martin went up to zimmerman. You're still using assumptions and sterotypes. Just because it's less likely to happen doesn't make it impossible.[/QUOTE] You calling people out for making assumptions When that's all you've done in this thread so far yourself Lol

[QUOTE=Bazsil;41238122]There's just no getting through to you is there. Nevermind, I guess. If someone is going to make actual discussion about this it clearly isn't you.[/QUOTE] "I can't back up my claims" [editline]29th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;41238137]You calling people out for making assumptions When that's all you've done in this thread so far yourself Lol[/QUOTE] "It's not okay for you to do this unless I agree with you."

[QUOTE=Iago;41238108]Building up a profile for a guy you dont know mindset is a retarded thing to do. It's not accusations because you are actually using sterotypes to tell if somebody is more likely to start a fight.[/QUOTE] You do understand that building up a profile of someone is an entirely valid thing to do in a criminal case right? And can you seriously stop dumb spamming people, your arguments are piss weak, if some has a history of being involved in fight then fucking shock horror, it's pretty likely they'll be involved in fights in the future.

[QUOTE=bravehat;41238171]You do understand that building up a profile of someone is an entirely valid thing to do in a criminal case right? And can you seriously stop dumb spamming people, your arguments are piss weak, if some has a history of being involved in fight then fucking shock horror, it's pretty likely they'll be involved in fights in the future.[/QUOTE] Most likely =/= you will [editline]29th June 2013[/editline] I am amazed how you guys call me dumb for making assumptions about Zimmerman(which I now see is wrong) but it's okay to make assumptions about Martin.