Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gun - Polidicks

[QUOTE=catbarf;41268061]Only law enforcement officers can approach and talk to suspicious people at night?[/QUOTE] It's not illegal to do so, but neither is it advised or wise to do so as it increases the risk of you being put into harms way, whether or not that person is or isn't a criminal, I know I wouldn't tolerate someone following me around for an extended period of time by foot, however there would be extensive differences in how I would of handled it. Officers have a certain authority and presence that they make known before approaching anyone, including running the top lights, putting them on the spotlight, stating who they are, and their intentions. Don't get me wrong, Trayvon isn't off the hook, but Zimmerman certainly played his part to escalate the situation to as far as it got. Personally, I think it should be considered involuntary manslaughter, didn't want to kill the kid, but boy did he push the right buttons.

Have to say, the Don West and O'Mara sure look like cooler guys than the prosecution lawyer. Also Don West looks a bit like Heisenberg. "O'Mara, we have to cook"

Jeez, the fucking commentators on HLN are insane.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSmbM6LkClA[/media] ~Peaceful Protest~ Welp, that just confirms it. We are on route for LA Riot 2.0.

[QUOTE=catbarf;41268061]Only law enforcement officers can approach and talk to suspicious people at night?[/QUOTE] Are you Zimmerman's nephew or something? Why are you so intent on justifying every action he took?

[QUOTE=Falubii;41272259]Are you Zimmerman's nephew or something? Why are you so intent on justifying every action he took?[/QUOTE] Because his actions where justifiable.

[QUOTE=Falubii;41272259]Are you Zimmerman's nephew or something? Why are you so intent on justifying every action he took?[/QUOTE] How were his actions not justifiable under the current self-defense laws of Florida?

[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;41272030][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSmbM6LkClA[/media] ~Peaceful Protest~ Welp, that just confirms it. We are on route for LA Riot 2.0.[/QUOTE] The "hype" emanating from this video is making me nauseous.

Apparently the judge just ruled that the fact that Zimmerman took criminal justice classes can be introduced into the court.

The prosecution are trying to say Zimmerman was trying to learn how to get away with murder.... because of a police ride along 2 years before the event. So George Zimmerman is a genius level criminal mastermind to the people thinking he is guilty. Floridians this is your tax dollars at work.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41294891]Apparently the judge just ruled that the fact that Zimmerman took criminal justice classes can be introduced into the court.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=benwaddi;41296907]The prosecution are trying to say Zimmerman was trying to learn how to get away with murder.... because of a police ride along 2 years before the event. So George Zimmerman is a genius level criminal mastermind to the people thinking he is guilty. Floridians this is your tax dollars at work.[/QUOTE] Yeah, unless the jury decides to throw a curveball I think at this point it seems a sure thing that he's going to walk. The prosecution has just not been doing a good job at all.

[QUOTE=aydin690;41247907]We have very different definitions of guilty. He killed an innocent man for no reason, therefore he is guilty of murder. BUT because US has retarded laws, he is going to walk. For example, here in canada, the average joe is not allowed to carry a gun in any situation (heck, you can't even carry a mace or taser for protection against other humans). You can have guns for home protection but the rifle cannot be loaded and the ammo cannot be stored in the same room. You cannot use the weapon to defend any property, only life (so no armed neighborhood watch crap). Even if somebody broke into your house and was carrying your tv out the door, you can try to get it back but you cannot physically harm him in any way (otherwise you will be charged with assault). You can only kill somebody in self defense if you can PROVE he actually tried to kill you (explicit intent to kill) i.e. hard proof that if you didn't kill him, you would have died 100%. Getting beat up DOES NOT qualify and you will be charged and convicted of murder. Even if somebody straight up assaulted you in the street and was beating the shit out of you, you still can't use anything that qualifies as a 'weapon' to fight back (this includes pepper spray, taser, or even your umbrella). You know, responsible self defense and gun laws.[/QUOTE] wow, it's like canada was inspired by zero tolerance school policies.

[QUOTE=Unmercy;41267754]There is essentially always another way out (don't dig into this example, just adapt it to any other example you can think of) think of all the animals that climb trees as a last resort, certainly they could keep moving in a direction. It's simply they reached a point where they have come to the conclusion that this problem is not going to go away, the "corner" essentially. Trayvon came to the conclusion that Zimmerman was not going to stop following him, and tension only rises as the situation persists. Again, this is where stupid kicks in for both of them, Zimmerman fails to realize he's putting himself too close to this kid, and Trayvon feels that his only option is to attack, the "corner" in his mind.[/QUOTE] Or Trayvon really was just a thug out looking for trouble, and everybody is really trying to ignore that fact.

[QUOTE=LtKyle2;41297286]wow, it's like canada was inspired by zero tolerance school policies.[/QUOTE] Which we all know are wholly effective. Sandy Hook is safe once again! :downs:

[QUOTE=benwaddi;41296907]The prosecution are trying to say Zimmerman was trying to learn how to get away with murder.... because of a police ride along 2 years before the event. So George Zimmerman is a genius level criminal mastermind to the people thinking he is guilty. Floridians this is your tax dollars at work.[/QUOTE] I think what they are pushing at is that it can show that Zimmerman had a "wannabe cop" mindset and that the classes somehow enabled him to construct a story to fool law enforcement, which is fucking insane. How in the fuck is this relevant and admissible but Martins history with fights not?

I don't understand how an average case of manslaughter continuously garnered such massive (inter)national attention for seemingly no reason at all. American society and media confuses me.

[QUOTE=Melnek;41299564]I don't understand how an average case of manslaughter continuously garnered such massive (inter)national attention for seemingly no reason at all. American society and media confuses me.[/QUOTE] Because it had to do with race (sort of, the media makes it out to be that way) which is a big issue over here, there's also the part where the cops pretty much let him go without any real investigation until people spoke out.

The main issue was the fact that it was never investigated. Even if you are an ardent Zimmerman defender you have to agree that someone being shot in the street deserves atleast an investigation by the police rather than just taking the shooters story of self-defense at face value. The story wouldn't have been nearly as big if the Sandford PD had treated it like an average case of manslaughter (or self defense) to begin with.

Did the defense ever bring up Trayvon's past texts and what not?

[QUOTE=shrinkme;41300222]Did the defense ever bring up Trayvon's past texts and what not?[/QUOTE] They aren't allowed too.

The media initially made it out to be a race killing. That's why there is even a trial in the first place. I remember the first headlines read: "White man shoots unarmed black teen."

[QUOTE=Melnek;41299564]I don't understand how an average case of manslaughter continuously garnered such massive (inter)national attention for seemingly no reason at all. American society and media confuses me.[/QUOTE] It was about race, and people will do anything here to not be labeled a "racist".

So when is Zman going to get set free/convicted

[QUOTE=Iago;41302552]So when is Zman going to get set free/convicted[/QUOTE] When the trial ends.

"The Zman Trial: Did Zman Kill Marty T? Or Was it Self-Defense?"

[QUOTE=Kigen;41300691]The media initially made it out to be a race killing. That's why there is even a trial in the first place. I remember the first headlines read: "White man shoots unarmed black teen."[/QUOTE] You're naive if you think the race angle wasn't played by both sides.

[QUOTE=Reimu;41303401]"The Zman Trial: Did Zman Kill Marty T? Or Was it Self-Defense?"[/QUOTE] "Prepare for unforeseen consequences Mr. Martin"

[QUOTE=Iago;41303794]"Prepare for unforeseen consequences Mr. Martin"[/QUOTE] Wake up and smell the ashes. Though in this case, you won't be waking up and it's the others that will smell the ashes.

Zman? [IMG]http://www.tomzenk.net/1991_studs.jpg[/IMG] It's starting to all fit together now. Seriously, as soon as Obama got involved (son looking like Trayvon, which was a pointless statement) people are calling for Zimmerman's blood. Check Twitter for the people talking about rioting, sad state of affairs. Edit: Jesus I picked the most homoerotic wrestling picture available didn't I?

Why'd Obama go and say that anyway