Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gun - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;41414522]I don't know about you, but I see a black kid in a hoodie, I get all horribly sure a burglary is about to go down riiiiiight?[/QUOTE] Please quote where I said that. [editline]11th July 2013[/editline] Bringing in race again, lmao.

I would convict Zimmerman because he doesn't have a warrior mindset, according to one of the defense's witnesses.

It wasn't tea Bernie, the people who want to convict George can't seem to help themselves from parroting what the MSM and phoney civil rights leaders were saying earlier.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;41413326]Again, "meandering" in the rain isn't illegal, nor is it particularly shady. Especially when you consider the fact that evening rains (dead of night? it was 7:00pm) are a common occurrence in Florida during the summer. Paying a lot of attention to the houses? What does that even mean? Was he looking at them intensely or something? How close was Zimmerman even to Martin at this time to so vehemently feel like he was about to rob one of them that he would get out of his truck to make sure he didn't "get away"? These seems like mutually exclusive statements. I don't think what Zimmerman did was sensible or understandable. If I saw what he saw I'd think "Oh look its someone walking through the neighborhood". Additional factors like it being night time and raining should be completely irrelevant from Martin's supposed guilt. Really, can't we just agree that he shouldn't have gotten out of his truck? Just make the call from in your truck and keep your distance. Observe and report. If he had called the police, waited for them to shown up, and given them a description they could have investigated it. But nope, Zimmerman didn't want this fucking asshole punk to get away, because they always get away, and goddamnit not this time, not in my neighborhood. Even if he hypothetically was watching a criminal staking out a possible residence to burglarize he shouldn't have gotten out of his truck and tracked the burglar down. What if the burglar was armed? Neighborhood Watch isn't the fucking executive arm of the law, that is the police. Give them a description when they show up. Did the burglar get away with some peoples shit? That really sucks, but now you have a description so you atleast have something to work off of. A missing TV and Xbox is better than a dead person because someone wanted to play cowboy. Again, repeating it for the fourth or fifth time in this thread because people like take yo are chronically incapable of basic reading skills: [B]I do not think George Zimmerman is guilty of second degree murder, and from almost all eyewitness and expert testimony it seems like Zimmerman had the right to self defense as someone was straddling him and punching him in the face and knocking his head to the concrete.[/B] Even if Zimmerman made the dumb move of tracking Martin that doesn't give Martin the right to swing at him or knock him to the ground. There was the interesting development that Sega Saturn commented on above about the possibility that Martin stopped hitting Zimmerman after a bit that may qualify as retreating under Florida self defense law but it seems a bit flimsy when it talks about the specifics of how Zimmerman reached for his gun.[/QUOTE] Look, all I have to go on is Zimmerman's justification for his actions, and while I think he shouldn't have done what he did, I can see why he did it.

[QUOTE=Ziron;41414840]I would convict Zimmerman because he doesn't have a warrior mindset, according to one of the defense's witnesses.[/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=Ziron;41414840]I would convict Zimmerman because he doesn't have a warrior mindset, according to one of the defense's witnesses.[/quote] What are you trying to say?

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228369]Like seriously why does everyone accept that Zimmerman has a right to shoot somebody in self defense (the question of whether or not it actually was self defense notwithstanding) but nobody, even for a moment, wants to re contextualize it as Martin having the right to punch a guy in self defense?[/QUOTE] because this is a dumb way to look at it and it totally ignores all the facts sitting out on the table that's why nobody does this, how come you don't get that