Zimmerman trial: Neighbor testifies Trayvon Martin was straddling Zimmerman moments before fatal gun - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Iago;41230093]Zimmerman wasnt a saint neither if you check his record. And trayvon smoked weed and gotten into fights, gee what a monster, too bad you will see that in almost every public high school. Theres a pic of a gun on trayvon's phone? Big whoop zimmerman had a gun too. But I guess the death of some ghetto kid should mean less just because hes ghetto huh?[/QUOTE] And thus we come back to race. You don't like the evidence, you don't like the testimonies, and you're not interested in the facts so long as they appear to be exonerating Zimmerman, so you throw them out the window and claim they don't matter, and that anybody who thinks they do matter is just trying to justify racism. What a sorry example you're setting.

[QUOTE=Iago;41230093]Theres a pic of a gun on trayvon's phone? Big whoop zimmerman had a gun too.[/QUOTE] zimmerman was an adult with a job that required a gun you can't really compare the two

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;41228702]Again, notice how people are constructing elaborate series' of events that would have to be matched in order for Martin hitting Zimmerman to be justified, while "Zimmerman shot him in self defense" is the baseline that is to be accepted as fact until specificaly disproven.[/QUOTE] First of all, Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way around. Second, for Martin to be acting on self-defense, as you would like us to consider, Zimmerman would have to have acted in such a way that Martin would feel that his life was in danger. There is little to no evidence to that being the case as of yet. Being followed by someone on the phone does not constitute justified acting out in self-defense"

[QUOTE=Iago;41230093]Zimmerman wasnt a saint neither if you check his record. And trayvon smoked weed and gotten into fights, gee what a monster, too bad you will see that in almost every public high school. Theres a pic of a gun on trayvon's phone? Big whoop zimmerman had a gun too. But I guess the death of some ghetto kid should mean less just because hes ghetto huh?[/QUOTE] The types of High School kids who smoke a lot of pot, go around with them holding pictures of guns, uploading the types of ~~~gangsta~~~ photos he did are usually the ones who are willing to start fights over nothing. And literally no one said anything about his life being less valuable because he's black or ghetto or anything like that, quit trying to turn peoples words into something they're not.

[QUOTE=Iago;41230093]But I guess the death of some ghetto kid should mean less just because hes ghetto huh?[/QUOTE] have you seen the video? it was hardly a ghetto.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41230109]Why do you just pull this stuff out your butt?[/QUOTE] No im talking about the dude I quoted who is making out like trayvon's past has any importance in tjis case. Neither trayvons or zimmermans past should be be used in court or in this debate.

[QUOTE=evilweazel;41230142]The types of High School kids who smoke a lot of pot, go around with them holding pictures of guns, uploading the types of ~~~gangsta~~~ photos he did are usually the ones who are willing to start fights over nothing. And literally no one said anything about his life being less valuable because he's black or ghetto or anything like that, quit trying to turn peoples words into something they're not.[/QUOTE] Can't wait till someone comes in here and says they take these kinda pictures but they take them ironically for friends which is not the same as Trayvon's in this case.

[QUOTE=Iago;41230180]No im talking about the dude I quoted who is making out like trayvon's past has any importance in tjis case. Neither trayvons or zimmermans past should be be used in court or in this debate.[/QUOTE] I still don't understand at what point he suggested his life wasn't as valued because he was black

Also I never said zimmerman is racist, just stupid. Zimmerman past shows he is all for equalness and whatever. If you guys were zimmerman and if you would have change your actions from the start of the night, you would totally change shit wouldnt you? Igg

The fuck? What does that have to do with anything at all?

I like how with this case everyone acts as if they were there and witnessed the whole event as it happened.

[QUOTE=Iago;41230230]Also I never said zimmerman is racist, just stupid. Zimmerman past shows he is all for equalness and whatever. If you guys were zimmerman and if you would have change your actions from the start of the night, you would totally change shit wouldnt you? Igg[/QUOTE] But you just said their past doesn't matter

[QUOTE=OgKitty;41230187]Can't wait till someone comes in here and says they take these kinda pictures but they take them ironically for friends which is not the same as Trayvon's in this case.[/QUOTE] No its not. The pictures in his phone means jackshit. Besides I take pics like those for fun all the time, minus the gun.

[QUOTE=Iago;41230230]Also I never said zimmerman is racist, just stupid.[/QUOTE] You sure implied it: [QUOTE=Iago;41229667]He shouldnt been acting like a idiot with a hero complex starting shit and harassing random black kids at night.[/QUOTE] There isn't much reason to say he harassed "random black kids" otherwise.

[QUOTE=OgKitty;41230262]But you just said their past doesn't matter[/QUOTE] In the courtcase yes. Are you implying zimmerman is racist or something?

[QUOTE=Iago;41229903]Do you honestly believe trayvon decided to randomly start attacking the first person that walks up to him for no reason? Zimmerman obviously said/do something when he walked up to him, properly not hit him or anything but he and trayvon had to have a convo or something.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter. I can walk up to anyone and call them whatever I want and as long as I'm not threatening to harm them they have no legal right to harm me. Zimmerman could have walked up to him and started spewing racial insults and it wouldn't matter, that doesn't give Martin any right to harm him, let alone knock him to the ground, straddle him, and beat his head into the pavement.

[QUOTE=Iago;41230316]In the courtcase yes. Are you implying zimmerman is racist or something?[/QUOTE] Holy shit, something's wrong with you.

sigma do you honestly believe that zimmerman walked towards martin with a gun pointed at him and that martin legitimately ran towards him, tackled him, and beat his head into the ground? how often, if all, do you see someone run in the open towards someone with a gun? do you acknowledge that a more likely scenario is that zimmerman got into the fight and then drew the gun? also how do you defend martin's racist comments (there's a creepy ass cracka following me)

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;41230346] also how do you defend martin's racist comments (there's a creepy ass cracka following me)[/QUOTE] That isn't racist, its just the culture he grew up in. I suggest you all watch HLN and learn a thing or two about racism.

[QUOTE=Craig Willmore;41230346]also how do you defend martin's racist comments (there's a creepy ass cracka following me)[/QUOTE] Institutional racism further creates racism and prejudice.

[QUOTE=Patriarch;41230418]Institutional racism further creates racism and prejudice.[/QUOTE] Oh so when a black person is racist it's the result of an unfortunate social issue, but when anyone else is racist it's because they're evil.

Back when the self-defense manslaughter took place I was siding with Trayvon, just having hope he wasn't actually the one who engaged Zimmerman and was expecting the case to be an uncommon example of a an afro descendent teenager who wasn't just trouble and yet another story on gun control background checks and sanity and what not, and well, I was wrong. This is actually looking out to be the other way and just ends up being the same old perpetuated stereotype, the same old story. I hope Zimmerman makes it out, he's had a rough year.

It won't until Monday when the trial continues, but it looks like at least Don West thinks he has the case in the bag. [img]http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z105/sporkfire222/victory_zpsb23df9e8.jpg[/img]

Bottom line my thoughts on this are the same. A wannabe cop versus a wannabe gang banger. Nothing good ever would have come of these two interacting.

#dadkilledit That can't be good can it?

"we beat stupidity"? Coming from the guy who made a fucking knock knock joke in the beginning of the trial. when is zimmerman going to get convicted/set free?

[QUOTE=Iago;41230843]"we beat stupidity"? Coming from the guy who made a fucking knock knock joke in the beginning of the trial. when is zimmerman going to get convicted/set free?[/QUOTE] i think his daughter posted that, but thats okay. we know you are not quite observant

It was from one of his daughters, not him personally.

He seems like a cool guy tho.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;41230392]That isn't racist, its just the culture he grew up in. I suggest you all watch HLN and learn a thing or two about racism.[/QUOTE] ah so only the white man is capable of taking responsibility for his own thoughts and words, while the negro is helpless like a child :downs: