My question is, if the Iran government was truly behind this, how are we supposed to react? It would be borderline insane to declare war on an entire nation (let alone a well-equipped, modern nation) simply because of a failed assassination/terrorist plot.
Even if the bombs had been planted and had gone off, the dozen or so lives lost in the bombing would have been worth the potential for thousands of lives lost in a war against Iran. That's why I think that the only thing that would trigger a full-scale war against Iran would be...well, nothing! Think about it! They do something like this to us, and (I really hate to say this) we would more than likely demand reparation, tally up a few more embargoes, and more general sabre-rattling. Nothing genuinely conclusive would come of any of this.
I'm calling it. Within the next 6 months, we will be at war with Iran.
Call me paranoid but I believe OTHER middle-eastern countries are actually conspiring against Iran themselves.
They were killing Iran's nuclear scientists for the last few years. (I'd say the US was possibly involved (Through Israel or directly) but I wont go that far in accusations.)
My point is, don't believe everything at face value.
Edit: Me saying this probably wont change shit but anyways.
This is basically two birds with one stone for Israel and Saudi Arabia. Their citizens will be infuriated by attacks towards their own ambassadors and US citizens will be infuriated because of the possible civilian casualties.
And now US probably wouldn't even give them a bad look if Israel or saudi arabia just marched their armies over the Iran border. (Exaggeration)
I fear that media attempting to pass this as the whole of Iranian government (I am looking at fox news along with others) are not helping the situation. From what I have read, it appears to have been little more than a isolated group that planned this, who were in the Revolutionary Guard.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32741007]My question is, if the Iran government was truly behind this, how are we supposed to react? It would be borderline insane to declare war on an entire nation (let alone a well-equipped, modern nation) simply because of a failed assassination/terrorist plot.
Even if the bombs had been planted and had gone off, the dozen or so lives lost in the bombing would have been worth the potential for thousands of lives lost in a war against Iran. That's why I think that the only thing that would trigger a full-scale war against Iran would be...well, nothing! Think about it! They do something like this to us, and (I really hate to say this) we would more than likely demand reparation, tally up a few more embargoes, and more general sabre-rattling. Nothing genuinely conclusive would come of any of this.[/QUOTE]
I doubt a all out war would have evolved if the attack would have taken place, it would no doubt have made U.S Iran relations even worse. And to say Iran is a well equipped modern nation is stretching it a bit. Iran has about the technology that Iraq had post the 2003 invasion, probable a little better.
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;32730840]Nope.[/QUOTE]
You may not like FOX. However, they definitely wouldn't completely make up a large news story, the bribe the entire government to acknowledged its existence and arrest this guy.
[editline]12th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32732716] the Iranian Revolutionary Guard (which as I said has 220K members) .[/QUOTE]
Wow, I never knew it was that big.
As a side-note, here's an interesting opinionated piece:
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/12/opinion/ghitis-plot-consequences/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url]
If any of this rings true, then I guess we dodged a hell of a bullet.
[editline]12th October 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE='[sluggo];32746867']You may not like FOX. However, they definitely wouldn't completely make up a large news story, the bribe the entire government to acknowledged its existence and arrest this guy.
[editline]12th October 2011[/editline]
It's a hard-lined Islamic nation that strictly adheres to Sharia law.
I'm actually surprised it isn't larger, considering Iran has a population of around 55 million people.
Wow, I never knew it was that big.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=T3hGamerDK;32730840]Nope.[/QUOTE]
Fox News - this story is completely fa... Wait.. CNN is now reporting on it... BBC.. Hmm, is everyone lying?
[QUOTE=ewitwins;32747631]As a side-note, here's an interesting opinionated piece:
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/12/opinion/ghitis-plot-consequences/index.html?hpt=hp_t2[/url]
If any of this rings true, then I guess we dodged a hell of a bullet.
[/QUOTE]
[quote]But spring was also the time of a fierce power struggle inside Iran's government, pitting President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad against the country's clerics, led by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei.
Washington says the terror plot was planned by Iranian officials. It charges that members of the Quds Force, elite members of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps, directed the operation. The IRGC, responsible for protecting the regime and spreading the Islamic revolution, and its Quds force are loyal to the supreme leader. It is conceivable that the operation could have been planned without the knowledge of Ahmadinejad. Internal rivalries in Iran could have played a role. So could fears that the Islamic Republic's key ally, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, was coming under intense pressure to relinquish power, potentially dealing a harsh blow to Iran's regional strategic position.[/quote]
Very interesting if true. It also agrees with what I have thought about it. From what I have seen of Ahmadinejad, he strikes me as quite intelligent and not prone to do something reckless and foolish like this.
[QUOTE=NotoriousSpy;32748997]Fox News - this story is completely fa... Wait.. CNN is now reporting on it... BBC.. Hmm, is everyone lying?[/QUOTE]
You have to remember, the only source we had at the beginning was Fox.
I wonder why this thread is only on page 2. You would think that such a big event would garner more attention
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;32738335]Iran is not the entire world, and if the Iranian government openly attacks the US, only then would we go to war, and I'm sure all of Nato would stand by us, and I doubt very many of it's allies would stand by it after they openly attack a super power.[/QUOTE]
I meant as in the arab block might start taking iran's side, minus a few groups of people.
this is such obvious bullshit, it doesn't even make sense if you think about it for one second
why would Iran go through so many channels to try unlink itself from this guy and spend $1.5 million on this operation only to use a guy that instantly says he was working for Iran when captured
it makes literally no fucking sense
either this guy is just a crazy or someone is twisting everything somewhere along the line
If you ask me, there's too little information to come to a conclusion.
We have to wait and see how it unfolds.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfsWIoO2CPc[/media]
From [url=http://news.antiwar.com/2011/10/11/us-ties-iran-to-assassination-plot-in-fbi-sting/]antiwar.org[/url]. I suggest clicking the link because it cites a lot.
[release]The Justice Department on Tuesday made vague accusations that “factions of the Iranian government” conspired in a plot to assassinate the Saudi Ambassador to the United States.
Manssor Arbabsiar, a 56-year-old US citizen who also holds an Iranian passport, was charged along with Gholam Shakuri, whom Eric Holder said in a press conference Tuesday was a Quds Force member still residing in Iran.
The media was quick to describe the news as “an Iranian terrorist plot,” but the case appears to be another FBI sting operation and perhaps entrapment of a disgruntled citizen. Asked whether the plot was even known about by the top echelons of the Iranian government, Holder said the Justice Department was not making that accusation.
Arbabsiar allegedly sought out cooperation from the Zetas Mexican drug cartel to kidnap Saudi Arabia’s ambassador, Adel al-Jubeir. He had in fact met with an undercover Drug Enforcement Administration agent, after which point the kidnapping turned into an assassination plot.
Arbabsiar is said to have been the middle man in hiring out who he thought to be Zetas gang members for the assassination and allegedly wired $100,000 as a downpayment for a total eventual payment of $1.5 million for the kill.
Holder said the US government would be taking unspecified action, perhaps additional economic sanctions, against the Iranian government as early as Tuesday afternoon. Despite this – plus attempts by the media to imply this plot was directed by the Iranian government – no direct accusations or evidence has been brought forth that the Iranian government was complicit, or even knowledgeable, of the plot.
The FBI has made a protocol of cradling disgruntled individuals, posing as operatives in extremist groups, and encouraging them to engage in violence. Their practices have come under increasing scrutiny as qualifying as entrapment.
For years now, a concerted covert US campaign of cyber-terrorism, commercial sabotage, targeted assassinations, and proxy wars has apparently been under way in Iran. Additionally, US-supported Israeli agents have admitted to committing terrorist acts, including assassinations, on people inside Iran.
The US is currently imposing harsh economic sanctions against Iran and has been garrisoning Iran’s surroundings with war, occupation, military bases, provocative naval activity, and rival client states.
This failed plot, apparently concocted at least in part by the FBI, and apparently traced to some rogue individual within the Quds Force (not to the Iranian government), is the only tangible action that the US has been able to claim came from any Iranian elements.
These developments come days after the Iranian government proposed – again – to swap low-enriched uranium for fuel rods to use in the Tehran Research Reactor, which produces medical isotopes. The deal, abandoned by the US in 2009 after Iran agreed to it, would safeguard against fears of Iran’s nuclear enrichment being used for military purposes, despite there being no evidence for such fears.
To sweeten the deal, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reiterated that the Iranian government is willing to immediately stop all production of 20-percent enriched uranium if the US agrees to the deal. The US has so far turned down the renewed opportunity to ease tensions and reduce the potential for nuclear proliferation, instead using this FBI sting to push for even harsher measures against Iran.[/release]
That is actually quite the accurate description, and the sources that they give are quite amazing and well written. The US has been trying to isolate Iran for some time now, and if they "play" this right, they can go even further.
[QUOTE=Ogopogo;32754378]That is actually quite the accurate description, and the sources that they give are quite amazing and well written. The US has been trying to isolate Iran for some time now, and if they "play" this right, they can go even further.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JerryK;32750799]this is such obvious bullshit, it doesn't even make sense if you think about it for one second
why would Iran go through so many channels to try unlink itself from this guy and spend $1.5 million on this operation only to use a guy that instantly says he was working for Iran when captured
it makes literally no fucking sense
either this guy is just a crazy or someone is twisting everything somewhere along the line[/QUOTE]
Too bad what the regular american person is going to pick up out of this is IRAN WANTS TO KILL US! FUCK THOSE GUYS!
Edit: Shit I might believe this stuff if I knew what happened to those "iranian hitmen".
Mugshots or anything.
so they allegedly conspired to murder someone and just because they're iranian citizens, the US classifies it as a "iranian terror plot," and the US media runs with it
stay class US
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32732119]
And regardless, the revolutionary guard is intended to protect the country's Islamic system and to prevent internal dissident and military uprisings. Not carry out foreign attacks. Hence the term [I]revolutionary guard[/I].[/QUOTE]
Actually the revolutionary guard has a history of killing opposition leaders outside of iran.
[QUOTE=Falchion;32756657]Too bad what the regular american person is going to pick up out of this is IRAN WANTS TO KILL US! FUCK THOSE GUYS![/QUOTE]
I blame the media more than our government.
Journalism is dead nowadays. They decide that to spell out all the facts takes too long and is not as exciting, so they cut it down to 30 second stories with just the most basic of facts in it, and run with it. The result is that the viewer has absolutely no goddamn idea what is going on, because the institutions we trust to inform us are speaking caveman.
Ugh! Iran bomb! Iran bomb US! Time for hunt!
Do you realize that if the media didn't do that no one would want to watch their boring crap for 24 hours?
[QUOTE=POLOPOZOZO;32759926]Do you realize that if the media didn't do that no one would want to watch their boring crap for 24 hours?[/QUOTE]
Journalism was just fine before 9/11. And look to Al jazeera. They give the news report first then go to interviews with officials, on-scene witnesses or experts on the main headline.
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