A woman who wanted to save ducks faces 14 years in prison for causing death of two motorcyclist. - Polidicks

[quote]During the trial other witnesses who were in front of the motorcycles said they were distracted by seeing Czornobaj on the median waving at ducks, and barely managed to swerve out of the way of the parked car. [/quote] Sentence is a bit harsh, but she was the reason for the accident. If anything she should have gone and parked to the outside lane, and called the non-emergency number for police or something.

14 years is way too high, she should have her license revoked but putting someone in prison for accidental crimes doesn't solve anything, it's just punishment for the sake of punishment.

She must hate herself now

This is what you call stupidity.

i was under the impression that the road rules dictate you should always be driving at a speed and distance where you can safely stop if the person in front of you stops? and she was already parked?

Holy shit 14 years of her life gone over something she didn't mean to happen.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;45181479]What happens if her car had broken down instead of her doing something stupid? What about the motorbike which was estimated at possibly almost 40km/h over the speed limit? It seems like a collision of two people doing stupid things, but I would've thought that the higher onus would be on the moving driver considering that if the car had stopped for a proper reason, like a break down, they still would've collided considering all facts were otherwise the same?[/QUOTE] Except the law doesn't function on what could have happened instead, it functions on what [B]did[/B] happen. She would likely have gotten off completely free if it was a motor fault, but it wasn't. She willingly chose to stop in the middle of a highway without any concern for anyone who might come along, and two people died as a result.

[QUOTE=TheDecryptor;45181526]In this case they drove directly into a parked car, is adding a light to it going to make it any more visible? I'm assuming this happened during daytime though, if it was at night then obviously the situation is different.[/QUOTE] A car parked in the middle of the road. Not side of the road. On a road where you're not even supposed to ever stop, much less park at all.

I don't understand why people are having a hard time understanding why she was punished. She was not punished for trying to help the ducks. She was punished for parking her car in the left lane, which was really stupid. I admire her for trying to do the right thing and help the ducks, but she should not of parked her car in the road. Also, "What we hope is that a clear message is sent to society that we do not stop on the highway for animals. It's not worth it." This comment really fucking pisses me off. It feels like they are saying this woman was jailed to make a point that one should not do what he/she believes is right. She was jailed because she broke the law and caused the deaths of two people. I really hope this article is edited because this is getting the wrong reason and wrong message out.

Yeah! Risk peoples lives at the cost of a few fucking ducks.

Looking at pictures of where she parked, it was kinda a no brainier not to park there. Its basically in the fucking road. At the same time 14 years for a 21 year old who made good willed mistake is too much. The mother didn't even want charges brought against her

How the fuck does it help anybody to jail her for 14 years? Will it bring back the two who died? No. Will the road be any safer? Well, maybe, but you can achieve the same result by banning her from driving a car. Yeah she fucked up big time and did something really stupid but this isn't just nor anyhow constructive, it's blind emotional vengeance.

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45181992]Except the law doesn't function on what could have happened instead, it functions on what [B]did[/B] happen. She would likely have gotten off completely free if it was a motor fault, but it wasn't. She willingly chose to stop in the middle of a highway without any concern for anyone who might come along, and two people died as a result.[/QUOTE] Uh - you need to think about what you were relying to. I'm referring to sentencing. I'm not disputing someones liability for dangerous driving when stopping on a freeway for no good reason. [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] And because of those reasons I stated, I don't believe she'll get anything close to 14 years or life.

At the end of the day, human life is more important than animals

[QUOTE=squids_eye;45181945]14 years is way too high, she should have her license revoked but putting someone in prison for accidental crimes doesn't solve anything, it's just punishment for the sake of punishment.[/QUOTE] by that logic, we should let off drunk drivers who end up killing people. the point of harsh sentences like this is to deter people from doing stupid stuff like this. The woman is an absolute fucking idiot, and her idiocy killed 2 people and destroyed a family. She's lucky she only got 14 years. [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] And keep in mind you guys, 14 years isn't her sentence. She hasn't actually been sentenced yet and she faces up to 14 years for one of her charges.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45182197]by that logic, we should let off drunk drivers who end up killing people. the point of harsh sentences like this is to deter people from doing stupid stuff like this. The woman is an absolute fucking idiot, and her idiocy killed 2 people and destroyed a family. She's lucky she only got 14 years. [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] And keep in mind you guys, 14 years isn't her sentence. She hasn't actually been sentenced yet and she faces up to 14 years for one of her charges.[/QUOTE] and what about the motorcyclists who were obviously driving far too fast?

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45181992]Except the law doesn't function on what could have happened instead, it functions on what [B]did[/B] happen. She would likely have gotten off completely free if it was a motor fault, but it wasn't. She willingly chose to stop in the middle of a highway without any concern for anyone who might come along, and two people died as a result.[/QUOTE] You say that they died because she stopped on the middle of the road. However, there's this "safe distance" where you MUST be separated enough from the vehicle so that, if it suddenly stops in the road, you're able to stop without ramming into it. Why weren't they having it? Because [I][B]they were not paying attention to the road[/B][/I], which is the number 1 rule. Is she at fault of that too? Charge her with the appropiate punishment for stopping in the middle of the road, I'm perfectly okay with that. But adding manslaughter when it wasn't (totally) her fault? [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;45182209]and what about the motorcyclists who were obviously driving far too fast?[/QUOTE] That was her fault too, if she hadn't stopped to help the ducks, they wouldn't have been driving so fast. Wait.

[QUOTE=Coment;45182214]You say that they died because she stopped on the middle of the road. However, there's this "safe distance" where you MUST be separated enough from the vehicle so that, if it suddenly stops in the road, you're able to stop without ramming into it. Why weren't they having it? Because [I][B]they were not paying attention to the road[/B][/I], which is the number 1 rule. Is she at fault of that too? Charge her with the appropiate punishment for stopping in the middle of the road, I'm perfectly okay with that. But adding manslaughter when it wasn't (totally) her fault?[/QUOTE] yeah it's like, sure they wouldn't have crashed if she hadn't stopped there, they also wouldn't have crashed if they weren't speeding & were paying attention

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45182209]and what about the motorcyclists who were obviously driving far too fast?[/QUOTE] Not sure what the average highway speed is up there, but down here in the US it's typically 70, and the bikers were doing between 70-80 which is acceptable speed for a major highway. Typically for a motorcyclist, a stopped vehicle in the passing lane isn't something that they have to worry about on an average basis.

like someone said earlier, what if her engine had broken down? [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45182222]Not sure what the average highway speed is up there, but down here in the US it's typically 70, and the bikers were doing between 70-80 which is acceptable speed for a major highway. Typically for a motorcyclist, a stopped vehicle in the passing lane isn't something that they have to worry about on an average basis.[/QUOTE] 'A provincial police officer testified at the trial that Roy, whose speed was estimated at 113 km/h and 129 km/h when he applied his brakes'

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45182224] 'A provincial police officer testified at the trial that Roy, whose speed was estimated at 113 km/h and 129 km/h when he applied his brakes'[/QUOTE] (thats between 70 and 80 mph brozinsky

-snip, although it would make sense to talk with the measures used in the article.-

[QUOTE=Tetsmega;45181871]Sentence is a bit harsh, but she was the reason for the accident. If anything she should have gone and parked to the outside lane, and called the non-emergency number for police or something.[/QUOTE] the motorcylist was speeding and not paying attention, both parties are at fault. i'd go so far as to say that the motorcylist should have been paying more attention and avoided the parked car. its the same reason why most of the time if you rear end someone its your fault.. you should have been paying attention

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45182230](thats between 70 and 80 mph brozinsky[/QUOTE] lol true that i kinda figured we were both using the same measurements or whatever without really reading it. well i dunno, that still doesn't change the fact that road safety means you should be driving at speeds and distances so that you can stop safely if the person in front of you stops suddenly [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] and 10/20 mph is still a fair bit of extra speed to have

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45182236]lol true that i kinda figured we were both using the same measurements or whatever without really reading it. well i dunno, that still doesn't change the fact that road safety means you should be driving at speeds and distances so that you can stop safely if the person in front of you stops suddenly [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] and 10/20 mph is still a fair bit of extra speed to have[/QUOTE] The person in front of them didn't stop suddenly or swerve to avoid a deer or something; she had outright stopped her car in the passing lane on a highway. She didn't have her hazards on, she just parked her car in the fucking passing lane on a fucking highway. I literally can not think of a more stupid thing for a person to do on the road. Even if they were doing the speed limit, they probably still wouldn't have been able to stop in time. and like it said in the article, other people were distracted by the lunatic in the median trying to save some ducks. the same probably happened to the bikers when they slammed into her parked car in the passing lane on a highway.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45182253]The person in front of them didn't stop suddenly or swerve to avoid a deer or something; she had outright stopped her car in the passing lane on a highway. She didn't have her hazards on, she just parked her car in the fucking passing lane on a fucking highway. I literally can not think of a more stupid thing for a person to do on the road. Even if they were doing the speed limit, they probably still wouldn't have been able to stop in time. and like it said in the article, other people were distracted by the lunatic in the median trying to save some ducks. the same probably happened to the bikers when they slammed into her parked car in the passing lane on a highway.[/QUOTE] i'm not denying that what she did was stupid, but the motorbikers clearly had a little bit of fault on their part and i don't think 14 years in prison is justified

Animals think too, they're not inferior thing. but that lady is pretty fuckin stupid.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45182069]How the fuck does it help anybody to jail her for 14 years? Will it bring back the two who died? No. Will the road be any safer? Well, maybe, but you can achieve the same result by banning her from driving a car. Yeah she fucked up big time and did something really stupid but this isn't just nor anyhow constructive, it's blind emotional vengeance.[/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly. Prison is intended for rehabilitation, not punishment. Her punishment is the knowledge that she's killed two people, and she's already aware of this. Putting her in prison helps nobody. I don't really get the accident though. It was a straight lane with clear sight, yet they still crashed into the car?

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;45182035]Looking at pictures of where she parked, it was kinda a no brainier not to park there. Its basically in the fucking road. At the same time 14 years for a 21 year old who made good willed mistake is too much. The mother didn't even want charges brought against her[/QUOTE] In the video it looks like she parked at the side of the road. Mind linking the pictures? [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45182253]The person in front of them didn't stop suddenly or swerve to avoid a deer or something; she had outright stopped her car in the passing lane on a highway. [B]She didn't have her hazards on[/B], she just parked her car in the fucking passing lane on a fucking highway. I literally can not think of a more stupid thing for a person to do on the road. Even if they were doing the speed limit, they probably still wouldn't have been able to stop in time. and like it said in the article, other people were distracted by the lunatic in the median trying to save some ducks. the same probably happened to the bikers when they slammed into her parked car in the passing lane on a highway.[/QUOTE] She did according to her testimony.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;45182069]How the fuck does it help anybody to jail her for 14 years? Will it bring back the two who died? No. Will the road be any safer? Well, maybe, but you can achieve the same result by banning her from driving a car. Yeah she fucked up big time and did something really stupid but this isn't just nor anyhow constructive, it's blind emotional vengeance.[/QUOTE] Read. [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45182197]by that logic, we should let off drunk drivers who end up killing people. the point of harsh sentences like this is to deter people from doing stupid stuff like this. The woman is an absolute fucking idiot, and her idiocy killed 2 people and destroyed a family. She's lucky she only got 14 years. [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] And keep in mind you guys, 14 years isn't her sentence. She hasn't actually been sentenced yet and she faces up to 14 years for one of her charges.[/QUOTE] The point isn't to stop "HER AND ONLY HER from doing it again because now we know she's not a good driver". The point is to deter other people from doing it. There are consequences for killing people. What kind of imaginary world do you live in where you think the law should only stop those who hurt other people from doing it again in the same way?