A woman who wanted to save ducks faces 14 years in prison for causing death of two motorcyclist. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45182324]i dunno about imaginary world but the real world has proven again and again that deterrence doesn't work in the justice system [editline]22nd June 2014[/editline] and the idea of destroying a young womans life to deter other people from stopping to save ducks seems ridiculous[/QUOTE] Her life is already ruined and destroyed regardless even if she gets away with killing these 2 people. Any sort of background check or google search will pull up her idiocy, and nobody will want to hire a person who is stupid enough to stop in the left fucking lane of a god damn highway.

[QUOTE=En-Guage;45182173]At the end of the day, human life is more important than animals[/QUOTE]But humans are animals though

I have only read the first page of the thread but it seems like people think she saw ducks on "the middle of the road". That wasn't the case: [QUOTE]On June 27, 2010 Emma Czornobaj, then 21 years old, parked her car in the left-hand lane of Highway 30 in Candiac because she spotted ducks on the [B]median.[/B][/QUOTE] The median isn't somewhere where vehicles drive, it is a divider usually containing grass between two roads of the highway: [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Ireland_Road_Lanes.svg/177px-Ireland_Road_Lanes.svg.png[/IMG] The ducks were on the green strip in the middle. She was a complete idiot for stopping for ducks on that. I don't see how she didn't know ducks could fly, they certainly weren't trapped there. I also don't know what on earth she planned to do driving with ducks in her car, they would certainly be very active and scared and probably distract her an extreme amount easily causing a worse accident. I do agree she deserves a much lighter sentence, it was a very stupid mistake but 14 years over a mistake is nonsense. A much lighter sentence like a revoked license, fines, and community service, would get the message across to her. But it also seems like the Crown wants to get a message across to every motorist to keep focused on the road: [QUOTE]"What we hope is that a clear message is sent to society that we do not stop on the highway for animals. It's not worth it."[/QUOTE] All in all it seems like a horrible situation the whole way through, and imo not a single thing was done right by anyone involved in this from the moment she stopped on the side of a highway to the moment the sentence was delivered.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;45181479]What happens if her car had broken down instead of her doing something stupid? What about the motorbike which was estimated at possibly almost 40km/h over the speed limit? It seems like a collision of two people doing stupid things, but I would've thought that the higher onus would be on the moving driver considering that if the car had stopped for a proper reason, like a break down, they still would've collided considering all facts were otherwise the same?[/QUOTE] If it was the result of her car being broken down instead of her doing something stupid, it'd be completely different. Unless she knew the car had a chance of breaking down, it wouldn't be criminal negligence. They still would have collided, yeah, but the result would be a lot different for the driver. The repercussions would be far less drastic for the driver.

[QUOTE=Matrix374;45181256]14 years seems a bit much for a dumb mistake[/QUOTE] Parking on a highway is more than just a dumb mistake though. [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45185817] the intent wasnt there, but negligence is negligence, at 14 years she'll get out on good behaviour pretty soon.[/QUOTE] yep.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;45184269]She definitely exhibited negligence but 14 years is excessive. It isn't going to act as a deterrent because the whole point of negligence is that you didn't plan for things to happen that way. Suspending her license and having her do some kind of community service, like speaking in Drivers' Ed classes about what happened, would do everyone far more good.[/QUOTE] It sounds like you think negligence has to do with planning. It doesn't. It has to do with the care you show. So in fact a punishment might be called for here. When your kid does something stupid and careless do you let that go or do you punish him or her? It doesn't matter what the kid intended does it? Same here. She showed she completely disregarded public safety in favor of playing with those ducks. People died because of it, they can't let that go.

[QUOTE=supersoldier58;45187391]I have only read the first page of the thread but it seems like people think she saw ducks on "the middle of the road". That wasn't the case: The median isn't somewhere where vehicles drive, it is a divider usually containing grass between two roads of the highway: [IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f6/Ireland_Road_Lanes.svg/177px-Ireland_Road_Lanes.svg.png[/IMG] The ducks were on the green strip in the middle. She was a complete idiot for stopping for ducks on that. I don't see how she didn't know ducks could fly, they certainly weren't trapped there. I also don't know what on earth she planned to do driving with ducks in her car, they would certainly be very active and scared and probably distract her an extreme amount easily causing a worse accident. I do agree she deserves a much lighter sentence, it was a very stupid mistake but 14 years over a mistake is nonsense. A much lighter sentence like a revoked license, fines, and community service, would get the message across to her. But it also seems like the Crown wants to get a message across to every motorist to keep focused on the road: All in all it seems like a horrible situation the whole way through, and imo not a single thing was done right by anyone involved in this from the moment she stopped on the side of a highway to the moment the sentence was delivered.[/QUOTE] yea lolno [img]http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/emma-czornoba-car.jpg[/img] She parked her car next to the concrete divider that separates the Highway. She stopped in the middle of the left fucking lane, the passing lane, the "fast lane" as idiots call it, to get save the lives of animals that weren't even in danger. She killed 2 people because of her idiocy, 14 years isn't enough if you ask me. If I had it my way, once she's out after her 14 years, probably less because of good behavior I'm sure, she would never be allowed to operate a vehicle ever again. Not even a bicycle, not even a riding lawn mower, because she's clearly not capable of making safe decisions when she's using one.

Just want to point out that she still has a few months before sentencing. The 14 years in the thread title is the maximum [I]possible[/I] sentence. (The title does say "faces" but it sounds like some people are missing that.)

[QUOTE=BMCHa;45188506]Just want to point out that she still has a few months before sentencing. The 14 years in the thread title is the maximum [I]possible[/I] sentence. (The title does say "faces" but it sounds like some people are missing that.)[/QUOTE] She's also facing upwards of a life sentence for criminal negligence sooooooo theres that too.

Her brother lives here in louisiana..... [url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/06/22/louisiana-man-gets-80-stitches-after-encounter-with-11-foot-alligator/[/url]

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45188459]yea lolno She killed 2 people because of her idiocy, 14 years isn't enough if you ask me. If I had it my way, once she's out after her 14 years, probably less because of good behavior I'm sure, she would never be allowed to operate a vehicle ever again. Not even a bicycle, not even a riding lawn mower, because she's clearly not capable of making safe decisions when she's using one.[/QUOTE] Two people died partially because of her idiocy, but she didn't kill them. A combination of things did. She parked in the middle of the passing lane which is idiotic and she should definitely face consequences for that but the motorcylists were so obviously at fault here, too. The first thing they teach you in driver's ed here in the good ol' USA is that you need to have a safe following distance when you're driving so that if the car in front of you suddenly stops (or something is in the road in front of you) you can stop w/o hitting it Plus, bikes have much shorter braking distances than cars do, too. The bikers couldn't have been riding safely or paying too much attention to miss a fucking stopped car in front of them, or they were going too fast to stop.

Are there any more pictures of where the crash happened? I can't see how two experienced riders failed to see a parked car if it were visible. From how little they slowed down before crashing it sounds like they applied their brakes at the very last moment.

Think about it, 14 years for a driving mistake. I feel for the bikers and all that, but 14 years??? Way too much, it doesn't take 14 years to make sure she won't make the same driving mistake.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;45188967]Two people died partially because of her idiocy, but she didn't kill them. A combination of things did. She parked in the middle of the passing lane which is idiotic and she should definitely face consequences for that but the motorcylists were so obviously at fault here, too. The first thing they teach you in driver's ed here in the good ol' USA is that you need to have a safe following distance when you're driving so that if the car in front of you suddenly stops (or something is in the road in front of you) you can stop w/o hitting it Plus, bikes have much shorter braking distances than cars do, too. The bikers couldn't have been riding safely or paying too much attention to miss a fucking stopped car in front of them, or they were going too fast to stop.[/QUOTE] The bikes were doing 10 over the speed limit (which is typically acceptable) and they weren't following her car. She was just parked int he middle of the fucking passing lane when the motorcycles struck the car. [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Charlievrw;45189088]Think about it, 14 years for a driving mistake. I feel for the bikers and all that, but 14 years??? Way too much, it doesn't take 14 years to make sure she won't make the same driving mistake.[/QUOTE] She killed 2 fucking people. 2 people's lives are gone because she was too stupid to realize that parking her car in the middle of the passing lane on a busy highway wasn't an extremely stupid thing to do. She deserves every year in prison she gets.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45189146]The bikes were doing 10 over the speed limit (which is typically acceptable) and they weren't following her car. She was just parked int he middle of the fucking passing lane when the motorcycles struck the car.[/QUOTE] 10 over? Did you mean an estimated 30-40km/h over the speed limit (which was 90km/h)? [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45189146]She killed 2 fucking people. 2 people's lives are gone because she was too stupid to realize that parking her car in the middle of the passing lane on a busy highway wasn't an extremely stupid thing to do. She deserves every year in prison she gets.[/QUOTE] If she killed two people, she would be up for manslaughter charges. She didn't face them.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45189146]The bikes were doing 10 over the speed limit (which is typically acceptable) and they weren't following her car. She was just parked int he middle of the fucking passing lane when the motorcycles struck the car. [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] She killed 2 fucking people. 2 people's lives are gone because she was too stupid to realize that parking her car in the middle of the passing lane on a busy highway wasn't an extremely stupid thing to do. She deserves every year in prison she gets.[/QUOTE] Yeah but what the fuck were two bikers doing that they couldn't stop in time so that they wouldn't hit a parked car? Bikes have shorter stopping distances anyway. It's not like she swerved into that lane or just suddenly appeared, she was parked there (stupid) but what were the bikers doing that they were unable to stop before hitting the car?

[QUOTE=NoShogun;45189605]Yeah but what the fuck were two bikers doing that they couldn't stop in time so that they wouldn't hit a parked car? Bikes have shorter stopping distances anyway. It's not like she swerved into that lane or just suddenly appeared, she was parked there (stupid) but what were the bikers doing that they were unable to stop before hitting the car?[/QUOTE] They were apparently caught by surprise by what she went and did, maybe froze up, and were unable to do anything in time.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45189146]The bikes were doing 10 over the speed limit (which is typically acceptable) and they weren't following her car. She was just parked int he middle of the fucking passing lane when the motorcycles struck the car. [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] She killed 2 fucking people. 2 people's lives are gone because she was too stupid to realize that parking her car in the middle of the passing lane on a busy highway wasn't an extremely stupid thing to do. She deserves every year in prison she gets.[/QUOTE] i'm fairly sure there is no acceptable amount to go over the speed LIMIT?

Whether she slammed on her brakes or had been stopped for any length of time is irrelevant in my opinion. There's no reason they should have slammed into her. The rider should have been paying attention and he's just as much at fault as her. What if her car died and she wasn't able to get over to the side of the road because of traffic? What if she had to slam her brakes on due to some sudden danger ahead? What if someone blacked out at the wheel and swerved into the barricade on that side of the road, blocking it in the same manner? She put on her hazard lights, was he just speeding along and watching the road directly in front of him? A good driver looks well ahead to where they want to be, and leaves enough distance between their vehicle and the vehicle(s) ahead, adding at least 1 second of distance per 10 km/h. The conditions on the road change constantly and I think everyone is not only responsible for their own actions, but also responsible for paying attention to other drivers and responding appropriately to their maneuvers (the most important thing being keeping a safe distance for sudden stops). Don't get me wrong, the woman is an idiot and never should have done it. But I don't think she deserves that sentence.

Reminds me of what my dad told me one time. Some lady stopped in the middle of the street during a rainy day to let ducks cross, and my dad crashed into the back of her car.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45189645]i'm fairly sure there is no acceptable amount to go over the speed LIMIT?[/QUOTE] not to argue or anything but if you've ever driven on the highway it's actually more dangerous to drive the speed limit than it is to just go over it not because of yourself but because everyone else is going 70mph+ on a 60 the only time people really follow speed limits is within towns, and small roads where understandably children will be walking around, with bikers and joggers on the sides of the roads etc also from that picture it's understandable that the motorcyclists ran into the back of her car unable to stop if she had no blinkers on, and that it's also night time and motorcycles don't have very powerful lights, you generally can't see more than a few car lengths ahead of you unless they have their lights on too

[QUOTE=FlamingBlizza;45189680]Reminds me of what my dad told me one time. Some lady stopped in the middle of the street during a rainy day to let ducks cross, and my dad crashed into the back of her car.[/QUOTE] That actually reminded me of that one book of the Berenstain Bears, Forget Their Manners, I think it was.

[QUOTE=FlamingBlizza;45189680]Reminds me of what my dad told me one time. Some lady stopped in the middle of the street during a rainy day to let ducks cross, and my dad crashed into the back of her car.[/QUOTE] So whose fault was that?

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;45189681]not to argue or anything but if you've ever driven on the highway it's actually more dangerous to drive the speed limit than it is to just go over it not because of yourself but because everyone else is going 70mph+ on a 60 the only time people really follow speed limits is within towns, and small roads also from that picture it's understandable that the motorcyclists ran into the back of her car unable to stop if she had no blinkers on, and that it's also night time and motorcycles don't have very powerful lights, you generally can't see more than a few car lengths ahead of you unless they have their lights on too[/QUOTE] she claims she did have hazard lights on, and i mean, again, it's the responsibility of all drivers to drive in such a way that they can safely stop if the person in front of them stops suddenly, so driving over the speed limit when you 'generally can't see more than a few cars length ahead' seems even more irresponsible

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45189691]she claims she did have hazard lights on, and i mean, again, it's the responsibility of all drivers to drive in such a way that they can safely stop if the person in front of them stops suddenly, so driving over the speed limit when you 'generally can't see more than a few cars length ahead' seems even more irresponsible[/QUOTE] We can talk about responsibility until the cows come home, but it's very hard to inculcate in most drivers on an individual basis. There's always going to be one person who makes trouble for others by driving in an unsafe way.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45189691]she claims she did have hazard lights on, and i mean, again, it's the responsibility of all drivers to drive in such a way that they can safely stop if the person in front of them stops suddenly, so driving over the speed limit when you 'generally can't see more than a few cars length ahead' seems even more irresponsible[/QUOTE] it is and again i'm not arguing but that's just how highways are, and everyone will be driving at that speed even if you aren't, which is where the danger is

[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;45189707]We can talk about responsibility until the cows come home, but it's very hard to inculcate in most drivers on an individual basis. There's always going to be one person who makes trouble for others by driving in an unsafe way.[/QUOTE] i don't deny she made trouble for others with her actions but i feel that it was not her that directly caused their deaths, like, yes they wouldn't have died if she didn't park there, but they also wouldn't have died if they'd been driving to the conditions and paying attention. all in all i just don't think she should be put in jail!

No good deed goes unpunished.

she shouldn't have parked there and the bikers shouldn't have been driving like they've got a death wish, but this situation is a pretty good indicator of how worn out and outdated the US' justice system is

[quote]On June 27, 2010 Emma Czornobaj, then 21 years old, parked her car in the left-hand lane of Highway 30 in Candiac because she spotted ducks on the median. She got out of her car and tried to herd the ducks into her car.[/quote] wat