A woman who wanted to save ducks faces 14 years in prison for causing death of two motorcyclist. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Matrix374;45181256]14 years seems a bit much for a dumb mistake[/QUOTE] Not when two people died because of some fucking ducks. [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=V12US;45190109]wat[/QUOTE] Fucking retarded right, why not just do the smart thing, slap on your hazards and slow down in case they jump out in front of you but you sure as all fuck don't stop for some pissant ducks at the side of the road.

[QUOTE=bravehat;45190114]Not when two people died because of some fucking ducks.[/QUOTE] What would be the aim of her serving 14 years in prison for this? (she won't)

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45189742]she shouldn't have parked there and the bikers shouldn't have been driving like they've got a death wish, but this situation is a pretty good indicator of how worn out and outdated the US' justice system is[/QUOTE] Wat the fuck thus happened in canada

[QUOTE=bravehat;45190114]Not when two people died because of some fucking ducks. [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] Fucking retarded right, why not just do the smart thing, slap on your hazards and slow down in case they jump out in front of you but you sure as all fuck don't stop for some pissant ducks at the side of the road.[/QUOTE] What the fuck? How ignorant are you? Like people said, locking her up would only destroy her life and wouldn't make the world a better place. Yes, I agree she did a stupid thing and should definately have her license revoked and get some sort of punish. But 14 years? Seriously? I still don't get why it would be okay to just run them over because they are not humans and are far inferior. I don't value an human's life over an animal's and I don't see why I should either. Both are equally important in my eyes.

[QUOTE=iNothing;45190809]What the fuck? How ignorant are you? Like people said, locking her up would only destroy her life and wouldn't make the world a better place. Yes, I agree she did a stupid thing and should definately have her license revoked and get some sort of punish. But 14 years? Seriously? I still don't get why it would be okay to just run them over because they are not humans and are far inferior. I don't value an human's life over an animal's and I don't see why I should either. Both are equally important in my eyes.[/QUOTE] well you better stop having those foreign opinions, you're upsetting the common folk.

[QUOTE=iNothing;45190809]I don't value an human's life over an animal's and I don't see why I should either. Both are equally important in my eyes.[/QUOTE] Which then of course leads to the question whether the lives of all animals are equal.

Fair enough it's ridiculous to stop on a highway but what about "not noticing a parked car on a highway". [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=The golden;45184212] I would also call into question the speed the bikers were doing. From what I can gather the speed of that road is 60-100kph. One of them was doing 130kph when he tried to brake. Had he been doing the proper speed limit he might have had more time to react.[/QUOTE] The entire cause of the accident was misjudging a hazard. Had she stopped legitamately due to a breakdown they'd still be dangerous bike riders for not noticing a stopped car.

[QUOTE=AK'z;45190943]Had she stopped legitamately due to a breakdown they'd still be dangerous bike riders for not noticing a stopped car.[/QUOTE] It was in the middle of the night and while she testified to a local police officer that she turned her hazard lights on, two witnesses said the opposite.

[QUOTE=uber.;45191007]It was in the middle of the night and while she testified to a local police officer that she turned her hazard lights on, two witnesses said the opposite.[/QUOTE] I haven't seen a single source say it was night time. How would she even see ducklings at night? The photos on Jalopnik show daylight. [img]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/780960061182720653.jpg[/img] [img]http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/780960061280956813.jpg[/img] [url]http://jalopnik.com/woman-who-caused-fatal-crash-stopping-for-ducks-may-get-1594820674[/url]

[QUOTE=AK'z;45190943]Fair enough it's ridiculous to stop on a highway but what about "not noticing a parked car on a highway". [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] The entire cause of the accident was misjudging a hazard. Had she stopped legitamately due to a breakdown they'd still be dangerous bike riders for not noticing a stopped car.[/QUOTE] Many things could have contributed to the fact that they didn't see the car. What if they were in the left lane with a large vehicle in front of them that prevented them from seeing the car parked directly in their lane ahead? Vehicle in front of the motorcyclists sees the car at the last second and swerves out of the way, by the time the motorcyclists behind see the vehicle it's too late. Not having hazards on could also be a huge factor, it's very hard to judge the speed of a vehicle in front of you if there's no obvious signs of what is going on. If you see a vehicle on the side of the road with hazards on, you can immediately determine that they're indeed stopped or travelling very slowly down the side of the road. A vehicle that's on the [B]wrong[/B] side of the road with [B]no[/B] hazards on is much more difficult to determine what the fuck is going on. Unless your steering completely locks up or something, if your engine suddenly dies (which is unlikely to happen with no forewarning) while you're going ~100km/h on a highway, you have plenty of coasting distance and time to pull over to the [B]correct[/B] side of the highway and put on your hazards. In all of my years and hundreds or even thousands of highway hours driven, i have never seen a broken down vehicle on the left lane of a highway. The only time i've seen a vehicle in the left lane that is stopped is because of an accident, which you know is coming from several KMs away due to the reaction of the drivers ahead of you. Finally, were the motorcyclists speeding? Absolutely. Major highways in Canada are generally a 100km/h speedlimit, with some exceptions being 110km/h and 90km/h. Going 110km/h-130km/h is incredibly common and accepted on major stretches of highway, and the chances of you even getting a ticket for going 110km/h-120km/h is slim unless the cop is having a bad day. Hell, going the exact speed limit is almost more dangerous considering everyone else on the highway is going faster. 130km/h is pushing it however, and getting quite dangerous. There's no way for them to tell the exact speed of the cyclists at this point though, so all we have to go off of is a wide range of their possible speeds, which ranges from the average speed of basically all motorists on highways, to excessive. If they were going a more moderate speed of 100km/h instead of a possible 130km/h, would this have been avoided? We can't say. What we CAN say is if she was pulled over on the proper side of the road, regardless of what her reasoning was, this would have been avoided. Which is why her negligence is giving her a possible 14 years - life.

[QUOTE=NoShogun;45189605]Yeah but what the fuck were two bikers doing that they couldn't stop in time so that they wouldn't hit a parked car? Bikes have shorter stopping distances anyway. It's not like she swerved into that lane or just suddenly appeared, she was parked there (stupid) but what were the bikers doing that they were unable to stop before hitting the car?[/QUOTE] In the article, it states that people saw the collision said that they were distracted by the fool playing in the median and didn't notice the car and had to swerve. It's assumed that the same thing happened to the bikers and they couldn't swerve or break in time.

[QUOTE=Biscuit-Boy;45181159]I'm pretty torn about this one. On one hand, a police officer parks in the middle of a freeway somewhere, intentionally blocking traffic, in my state to rescue some sort of animal in the road and he's a hero, and on the other, this woman was trying to do much the same, and instead is probably being regarded as a negligent fool. It's a shame too, because, while heavily dependant on the context (I'm not familiar with the speed limits, what type of roadway [how many lanes, how busy, etc], driving conditions), she was largely just trying to do what she thought was the right thing. Maybe she was an idiot about it, but, I mean, she was still just trying to save some wildlife. Try to do some good in the world and now you have the death of a father and daughter on your hands. Sucks for everyone involved.[/QUOTE] Have you ever seen a cop car stopped anywhere on a highway? They have plenty of flares and cones and shit to warn you if they're on the highway

[QUOTE=AK'z;45190943]Fair enough it's ridiculous to stop on a highway but what about "not noticing a parked car on a highway". [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] The entire cause of the accident was misjudging a hazard. Had she stopped legitamately due to a breakdown they'd still be dangerous bike riders for not noticing a stopped car.[/QUOTE] This wasn't an accident, that's why she was found guilty. That's what a lot of people in this thread don't seem to understand. She committed a crime and it killed two people. She didn't misjudge a hazard, she created one for no reason. There is no way anyone can spin the fact that she stopped on the highway as anything less than criminal negligence. She had no reason to stop on the highway. She choose to, which removes 'accident' as an excuse. What happened was a foreseeable result of her deliberate actions. Do you see lots of people stopping in their lane on the highway? No. Why not? Because everyone knows you can get killed that way. If anything, every driver dreads the thought of ever having to stop their vehicle on the road. Except people like her, who don't give a shit.

Also the fact she did not put on her warning lights could have also had a factor in the deaths of the two motorcyclists. If for whatever reason you're stopping, put on those warning lights. Saves a lot of hassle

[QUOTE=Ownederd;45189742]she shouldn't have parked there and the bikers shouldn't have been driving like they've got a death wish, but this situation is a pretty good indicator of how worn out and outdated the US' justice system is[/QUOTE] It's in fucking Canada. It's quite simple. The girl parked her car on the left, got outside her car and moved toward the ducks in the median, waving her hands and trying to take them/whatever. The biker are on the highway. Their estimated speed is around 110-120 km/h. The limit speed in Canada is 100 km/h on the highway, but cops won't pull you over at around 110 km/h. While she was stupidly flaying around the ducks, the bikers spots her, they become distracted. Since her car is parked with (she says the hazard lights were on, but we don't have official police report) possible no hazard lights, and the drivers being distracted by the dumbass waving at ducks in the median, they barely see the car in front of them before crashing into it. Mind you, two bikes crashed into the car, one having a parent and the daughter, and the other with the other parent. Now, since they were going fast on an highway (which is okay) and it was night, the car could've been incredibly hard to spot, plus the fact they were distracted by the fact there was a person on their right moving around trying to save ducks. This girl is completely at fault for what happened. The bikers would've never had an accident that night had she not parked her car in the passing lane of an highway. Not only did she endanger others, she also endangered herself who could've been hit by another passing car. And all of that for fucking ducks. If it was engine failure, she would've had quite a bit to break and stop on the right side of the highway. It wasn't. 14 years is a lot, but that's just the maximum sentence. Her criminal negligence caused the death of 2 persons and grave injuries in another.

[QUOTE=Matrix374;45181256]14 years seems a bit much for a dumb mistake[/QUOTE] She probably just stopped in a lane on a highway and didn't turn on blinkers, didn't put up an attention side. So yes, what she did was criminal negligence.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;45188459]yea lolno [IMG]http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/emma-czornoba-car.jpg[/IMG] She parked her car next to the concrete divider that separates the Highway. She stopped in the middle of the left fucking lane, the passing lane, the "fast lane" as idiots call it, to get save the lives of animals that weren't even in danger. She killed 2 people because of her idiocy, 14 years isn't enough if you ask me. If I had it my way, once she's out after her 14 years, probably less because of good behavior I'm sure, she would never be allowed to operate a vehicle ever again. Not even a bicycle, not even a riding lawn mower, because she's clearly not capable of making safe decisions when she's using one.[/QUOTE] jesus you are an beautiful human soul (I hope you will never hold have any decisive power) [editline]23rd June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=wraithcat;45194455]She probably just stopped in a lane on a highway and didn't turn on blinkers, didn't put up an attention side. So yes, what she did was criminal negligence.[/QUOTE] criminal negligence can mean anything from letting some garbage leak onto a grassy patch and pollute it and being responsible for death of 200 workers who died in exploding factory it doesn't mean anything on it's own

She broke multiple traffic laws that lead to the death of two people. That's criminal negligence causing death if I've ever heard it

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45195120]She broke multiple traffic laws that lead to the death of two people. That's criminal negligence causing death if I've ever heard it[/QUOTE] Bikers who were going over the speed limit, breaking laws themselves.

[QUOTE=matt000024;45195132]Bikers who were going over the speed limit, breaking laws themselves.[/QUOTE] They broke one law versus her breaking something around 5. She wot even serve the full 14 years, she'll probably get an appear or full bail after 7 for good behavior and recovery. She's not avoiding jail in any way, her law breaking caused the death of two civilians. You don't just walk away from killing two people because you were too dumb to know traffic laws, even if it wasn't 100% your fault

This is what I don't get. What good is prison going to do? Clearly she's a good person that made a stupid mistake. But taking away 14 years of her life to punish her for a mistake she will clearly never make again? Give me a breaaaaaaaaak. She didn't deliberately do this to end two peoples lives, she just made a stupid mistake.

[QUOTE=Pandamox;45193620]What if they were in the left lane with a large vehicle in front of them that prevented them from seeing the car parked directly in their lane ahead? Vehicle in front of the motorcyclists sees the car at the last second and swerves out of the way, by the time the motorcyclists behind see the vehicle it's too late.[/QUOTE] That's what happened, and confirms they were shit motorcyclists. An 18 wheeler swerved and avoided the car, but the fucking motorcycle couldn't.

Like that guy said, if they wet following a vehicle, which is very likely as there were witnesses, they would not have seen the car in time to swerve if they were on the highway. Yes there are laws about stopping. Also to all those saying about following vehicles with stopping distance, do you even drive? You don't leave the distance it would take you to stop from 100, you leave the distance it takes you to react I stopping at 100. The assumption being that the other car slows down at a similar speed to you, not tht it stops on a dime.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45195282]Like that guy said, if they wet following a vehicle, which is very likely as there were witnesses, they would not have seen the car in time to swerve if they were on the highway. Yes there are laws about stopping. Also to all those saying about following vehicles with stopping distance, do you even drive? You don't leave the distance it would take you to stop from 100, you leave the distance it takes you to react I stopping at 100. The assumption being that the other car slows down at a similar speed to you, not tht it stops on a dime.[/QUOTE] And they apparently couldn't change lanes fast enough to avoid this parked car. Which means he wasn't following that rule, either. An 18 wheeler managed to avoid hitting that car, hauling a trailer. Those things move like ketchup out of a glass bottle. And they still managed to do what this motorcyclist was incapable of.

Harley Davidsons carrying two people aren't known or their precise steering and race bike agility at highway speeds. Especially when someone is creating a distraction for the driver in the median

[QUOTE=darunner;45195328]And they apparently couldn't change lanes fast enough to avoid this parked car. Which means he wasn't following that rule, either. An 18 wheeler managed to avoid hitting that car, hauling a trailer. Those things move like ketchup out of a glass bottle. And they still managed to do what this motorcyclist was incapable of.[/QUOTE] I think you overestimate how agile a motorcycle with two people on it is, if you have ever ridden one you would know that the only thing that keeps a motorcycle with two people on it stable is the coordination it takes for both to lean against the turn. When you have a few moments before an accident you do not have the time to coordinate such an action. At that point you hit the brakes and try your best to turn but you are at the mercy of momentum, at that point you really just hope for the best. Also you might be amazed how agile a semi hauling a trailer is, sadly a lot of semi accidents occur thanks to sleep deprivation.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;45182209]and what about the motorcyclists who were obviously driving far too fast?[/QUOTE]but if this happened on a highway the limits are often 120kph anyways

[QUOTE=Feuver;45194402]It's in fucking Canada. It's quite simple. The girl parked her car on the left, got outside her car and moved toward the ducks in the median, waving her hands and trying to take them/whatever. The biker are on the highway. Their estimated speed is around 110-120 km/h. The limit speed in Canada is 100 km/h on the highway, but cops won't pull you over at around 110 km/h. While she was stupidly flaying around the ducks, the bikers spots her, they become distracted. Since her car is parked with (she says the hazard lights were on, but we don't have official police report) possible no hazard lights, and the drivers being distracted by the dumbass waving at ducks in the median, they barely see the car in front of them before crashing into it. Mind you, two bikes crashed into the car, one having a parent and the daughter, and the other with the other parent. Now, since they were going fast on an highway (which is okay) and it was night, the car could've been incredibly hard to spot, plus the fact they were distracted by the fact there was a person on their right moving around trying to save ducks. This girl is completely at fault for what happened. The bikers would've never had an accident that night had she not parked her car in the passing lane of an highway. Not only did she endanger others, she also endangered herself who could've been hit by another passing car. And all of that for fucking ducks. If it was engine failure, she would've had quite a bit to break and stop on the right side of the highway. It wasn't. 14 years is a lot, but that's just the maximum sentence. Her criminal negligence caused the death of 2 persons and grave injuries in another.[/QUOTE] No such thing as accidents as far as I'm concerned, even in blizzards; just about the only thing you can call an accident is something like a rock slide taking the road out suddenly. Adjust your speed and distance for the conditions of the road, drive defensively and pay attention. Never assume anyone is doing or is going to do the right thing. Most collisions are a result of both driver's behaviour, even if one person is mostly at fault. [img]http://wpmedia.news.nationalpost.com/2014/06/emma-czornoba-car.jpg[/img] Looks like she's right over with plenty of room left in the lane. Had they not been speeding and watching whatever the hell they were watching instead of the road (well ahead), they would be alive. [editline]24th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45195176]They broke one law versus her breaking something around 5. She wot even serve the full 14 years, she'll probably get an appear or full bail after 7 for good behavior and recovery. She's not avoiding jail in any way, her law breaking caused the death of two civilians. You don't just walk away from killing two people because you were too dumb to know traffic laws, even if it wasn't 100% your fault[/QUOTE] If they were obeying the law, they may be alive today. What does the number matter? They had absolutely no collision protection on those bikes, they should have been twice as careful as someone in a car. [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45195282]Like that guy said, if they wet following a vehicle, which is very likely as there were witnesses, they would not have seen the car in time to swerve if they were on the highway. Yes there are laws about stopping.[/QUOTE] This is no excuse. If you're behind a car, you look through/around the car, not [B]AT[/B] it. If you're behind a large truck and cannot see beyond it, then you back the fuck off, or you change lanes. A truck like that shouldn't be in that lane, but apparently people don't know how to fucking drive.

[QUOTE=JoonazL;45197874]but if this happened on a highway the limits are often 120kph anyways[/QUOTE] It wasn't even a 100kph freeway. If it was 120kph, then the freeway would've been a much higher standard too. She would've been able to pull off to the left and been completely off the road.

[QUOTE=JoonazL;45197874]but if this happened on a highway the limits are often 120kph anyways[/QUOTE] There are no roads in Canada with a 120 kph speed limit. Max is 110.