Mother murdered son for failing to learn the Koran - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38292223]Psychotic episodes are not unheard to people with bipolar disorder, which I have. I've had personal experiences. Shit seems real while it's happening but when you become lucid again it feels like a bad dream. I also knew a woman who was schizophrenic. In fact, I remember very clearly her going on a long rant about how she had a bomb in her stomach and she was going to Afghanistan to kill the Taliban. However, when she wasn't in one of those states she knew about her own illness. It probably depends heavily on severity like I said before. Someone who has an acute disorder will obviously be more detached from reality than someone who has a somewhat milder case.[/QUOTE] Right so if this woman can think she has a fucking bomb in her stomach while she has an episode, why is it somehow exceptional for an Islamic woman to think she's receiving commands from the devil while having a psychotic episode?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;38292734]Right so if this woman can think she has a fucking bomb in her stomach while she has an episode, why is it somehow exceptional for an Islamic woman to think she's receiving commands from the devil while having a psychotic episode?[/QUOTE] It's not exceptional, in fact what I am saying is that it is absolutely normal for someone who is devoutly religious to interpret psychotic episodes as divine. It can keep them from getting treatment, which is bad.

I swear atheists like some of you guys make the rest of this non-religion look bad. [i]Oh wait, that sounds similar to what a rational human of a religion would say![/i]

[QUOTE=Bomimo;38289635]Which is the whole basis for religion.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=znk666;38289600]Not like there's any difference. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Trolling" - MaxOfS2D))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Your edgy is showing

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38293026]It's not exceptional, in fact what I am saying is that it is absolutely normal for someone who is devoutly religious to interpret psychotic episodes as divine. It can keep them from getting treatment, which is bad.[/QUOTE]Instead of backpedaling have you considered not posting insanely stupid shit which you spend the rest of the thread trying to justify?

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38293026]It's not exceptional, in fact what I am saying is that it is absolutely normal for someone who is devoutly religious to interpret psychotic episodes as divine. It can keep them from getting treatment, which is bad.[/QUOTE] Yeah, no. Before backpedaling you said that a person who is an atheist wouldn't have a psychotic episode like this because they can rationalize that the devil doesn't exist, which is complete bullshit because the [I]very basis[/I] of being mentally ill is not being able to reason properly. Some who is mentally ill generally thinks there's nothing wrong with them. Please learn what mental illness actually means instead before posting stupid biased shit.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38289481]Yea, but religion empowers and justifies these beliefs. If an atheist was hearing voices from the devil, I think they would be more likely to find help since they don't believe devils exist. However, a devout muslim hearing the devil is more real since they have a predisposition to believing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] They wouldn't hear voices from the devil they'd hear voices from Jimmy, the disembodied serial killer. [editline]2nd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;38290593]lol Did you just say Catholicism was its own religion? You don't know [I]shit.[/I][/QUOTE] What?

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;38294170]Yeah, no. Before backpedaling you said that a person who is an atheist wouldn't have a psychotic episode like this because they can rationalize that the devil doesn't exist, which is complete bullshit because the [I]very basis[/I] of being mentally ill is not being able to reason properly. Some who is mentally ill generally thinks there's nothing wrong with them. Please learn what mental illness actually means instead before posting stupid biased shit.[/QUOTE] I never said that an atheist wouldn't have an episode, only that they would be more likely to realize their episode was psychotic, not divinely inspired. [editline]3rd November 2012[/editline] And the very essence of mental illness is not "not being able to reason properly". The very essence of mental illness is that your brain isn't working right, causing delusions, depression, mood cycles, and other emotional problems.

I guess this post would be better now on Mass debate section xP

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38294887] And the very essence of mental illness is not "not being able to reason properly". The very essence of mental illness is that your brain isn't working right, causing delusions, depression, mood cycles, and other emotional problems.[/QUOTE] Hence not being able to reason like a mentally sound person would. Your whole argument is based around the assumption that upon hearing voices a mentally ill person would be able to think to themselves 'oh I think I'm hearing the voice of the devil in my head...oh wait nvm the devil isn't real I'm probably just insane'. It just doesn't work that way. A person whose brain isn't working right won't able to make that deduction. If it was the way you describe it then people with schizophrenia would be able to just cure themselves.

[QUOTE=znk666;38289292][URL]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9648856/Mother-murdered-son-for-failing-to-learn-the-Koran.html[/URL] The mighty religion of peace strikes again...[/QUOTE] shut the fuck up, the same shit has happened with Christianity. Stop being so ignorant.

burned the body OF YOUR OWN SON BURN THE BODY OF YOUR OWN SON TO HIDE THE FACT YOU KILLED HIM WHAT THE FUCK

[QUOTE=unrezt;38290136]Just curious, how many more times does shit like this have to happen before you people stop defending 'the religion of peace'?[/QUOTE] How many posts do people like you have to make before you stop being completely ignorant? It's not the religion, it's the individual. This is a case of mental illness. Regular Muslims don't make headlines.

I can't stand people who use religion as justification for actions. But this is a whole new level

[QUOTE=Doneeh;38291107]See? Someone understands this shit, unlike a few of the people here. Goddamn, I realize Facepunch had its fair share of paranoid, xenophobic nutcases, but shit, every thread takes it to a whole new level.[/QUOTE] And you're the president of it. [editline]3rd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE='[Slendy v2.0];38295544']How many posts do people like you have to make before you stop being completely ignorant? It's not the religion, it's the individual. This is a case of mental illness. Regular Muslims don't make headlines.[/QUOTE] How many little Billy's have to die for rapist Jesus before you stop worshipping a GaY Pedofile Rapist? M'Kay fucking rapist christians? M' Ka fucking Romne????!?!??!?! [editline]3rd November 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Triarii;38295578]I can't stand people who use religion as justification for actions. But this is a whole new level[/QUOTE] Capital punishment for religious gullibility!

Fuck her

Holy fuck guys. This woman doesn't deserve to die, but she deserves to be locked up and forced to work or something awful.

[QUOTE=Dr. Gestapo;38295174]Hence not being able to reason like a mentally sound person would. Your whole argument is based around the assumption that upon hearing voices a mentally ill person would be able to think to themselves 'oh I think I'm hearing the voice of the devil in my head...oh wait nvm the devil isn't real I'm probably just insane'. It just doesn't work that way. A person whose brain isn't working right won't able to make that deduction. If it was the way you describe it then people with schizophrenia would be able to just cure themselves.[/QUOTE] You're missing the point entirely. Let me illustrate it for you. There are two people, one an atheist(not spiritual either) and another an incredibly devout muslim. Both of them suffer a delusional episode. During this episode they believe god is telling them that they have been chosen for a special mission. After this episode, both of them recollect and look back on their experience. The atheist is more likely to look at the episode as simply a hallucination; a trip. They don't believe in god at all, so it is incredibly outrageous for them to believe god was actually speaking directly to them. This is pretty scary, so the atheist might try and seek psychiatric help. They might not, as well. The muslim might be more inclined to look at the episode as authentic. They already believe in god and believe god performs direct intervention in the real world. Therefore, the idea of god speaking to them is quite reasonable. Because of this interpretation, the muslim is quite unlikely to actually go find psychiatric help, and might actually resist any attempts made to get them psychiatric help because of their belief of authenticity of the delusions. Hell, if this person is charismatic enough they might go on to found their own church based on these delusions. This is how religious ideas will empower the mentally ill. It isn't that atheists are able to resist the delusions when they are happening, but they are more likely to understand after the fact that the delusions are caused by their brain, not divine intervention. Of course, this is ignoring severity of the illness. If someone is perpetually or near perpetually delusional, it doesn't matter if they are religious or not.

[QUOTE=Triarii;38295578]I can't stand people who use religion as justification for actions. But this is a whole new level[/QUOTE] There is no religious justification for beating someone to death just because they cant read/learn the quran. That psychotic bitch just happened to be a muslim. Also glad OP is banned.

[QUOTE=tepholman;38289418]Or, you know, good old-fashioned mental illness.[/QUOTE] It seems whenever there is a religious murder, it's always 'mental illness' that gets used in it's place.

blackbird88 strikes again

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38296611]You're missing the point entirely. Let me illustrate it for you. There are two people, one an atheist(not spiritual either) and another an incredibly devout muslim. Both of them suffer a delusional episode. During this episode they believe god is telling them that they have been chosen for a special mission. After this episode, both of them recollect and look back on their experience. The atheist is more likely to look at the episode as simply a hallucination; a trip. They don't believe in god at all, so it is incredibly outrageous for them to believe god was actually speaking directly to them. This is pretty scary, so the atheist might try and seek psychiatric help. They might not, as well. The muslim might be more inclined to look at the episode as authentic. They already believe in god and believe god performs direct intervention in the real world. Therefore, the idea of god speaking to them is quite reasonable. Because of this interpretation, the muslim is quite unlikely to actually go find psychiatric help, and might actually resist any attempts made to get them psychiatric help because of their belief of authenticity of the delusions. Hell, if this person is charismatic enough they might go on to found their own church based on these delusions. This is how religious ideas will empower the mentally ill. It isn't that atheists are able to resist the delusions when they are happening, but they are more likely to understand after the fact that the delusions are caused by their brain, not divine intervention. Of course, this is ignoring severity of the illness. If someone is perpetually or near perpetually delusional, it doesn't matter if they are religious or not.[/QUOTE] Well, that's an awfully big generalization but I see your point. Thing is, you're ignoring how a mental illness progresses and how much it messes up your mind. Like I said before, most people with certain mental disorders such as schizophrenia do not think they're hallucinating and think what they are experiencing is real. What you are describing would be extremely hard for a mentally ill person to do, since by the time they start hearing voices and hallucinating the mind has already deteriorated considerably. One doesn't just start hallucinating one day, there's a whole process of social withdrawal, instability and (generally) depression before the actual symptoms become apparent (aka the stage of the disorder in which most people are diagnosed). Basically what I'm trying to say is that by the time someone starts hearing voices and having hallucinations it just won't matter whether they are religious or not because their minds are already damaged and extremely susceptible as it is. For them, everything they experience *is* authentic. At this point they're no longer lucid and just too far gone to seek help for themselves.

[QUOTE=The Worm;38296608]Holy fuck guys. This woman doesn't deserve to die, but she deserves to be locked up and forced to work or something awful.[/QUOTE] No she needs mental help if she has schizophrenia, locking the mentally ill up wont help anyone

the problem with media is it promotes just the bad unless it's local or really really big they get more viewers for "woman kills 7 year old son for not reading koran" or "woman donates books for literacy in africa"

[QUOTE=yawmwen;38289481]Yea, but religion empowers and justifies these beliefs. If an atheist was hearing voices from the devil, I think they would be more likely to find help since they don't believe devils exist. However, a devout muslim hearing the devil is more real since they have a predisposition to believing it in the first place.[/QUOTE] Not really, these "religious experiences" of hearing voices and whatnot are just a cheap excuse, it's something easy to think up, and in some countries a valid reason so people use it as an excuse, if a person was as insane as this woman being an atheist, or any other religion, wouldn't stop them, it'd just change what excuse they'd use.

[QUOTE=Bomimo;38289635]Which is the whole basis for religion.[/QUOTE] I find it hilarious that he said this, then got a month-long ban for being blatantly racist

[QUOTE=Mike42012;38296919]It seems whenever there is a religious murder, it's always 'mental illness' that gets used in it's place.[/QUOTE] Um no not really, only in the cases where it's really bloody obvious a mental illness exists. This isn't some crazy priest demanding the death of all that is unholy, this is a mother killing her own child because "satan told her to".

For those who aren't educated on Islam, being a [I]hafiz[/I] (someone who has memorised the entire Qu'ran and can recite it from heart) is considered extremely significant. According to more literal teachings of the book, only people who know the Qu'ran can guarantee themselves a place in heaven, but not just for them, also for their family. It's quite possible that the two parents were petrified of not being allowed into heaven, so that drove them to force their son to learn. It's a real shame that religions inspire such fear and cruelty in some.

[QUOTE=1239the;38299816]For those who aren't educated on Islam, being a [I]hafiz[/I] (someone who has memorised the entire Qu'ran and can recite it from heart) is considered extremely significant. According to more literal teachings of the book, only people who know the Qu'ran can guarantee themselves a place in heaven, but not just for them, also for their family. It's quite possible that the two parents were petrified of not being allowed into heaven, so that drove them to force their son to learn. It's a real shame that religions inspire such fear and cruelty in some.[/QUOTE] As much sense as this makes the lady was just schyzophrenic. I mean if she did that because she really wanted her son to guarantee her a place in heaven, she would not have said satan pushed her to murder her own child.

[QUOTE=Death_God;38289850]shaitan is like a silly way to pronounce Satan hahahabut seriously what the fuck[/QUOTE] ... It's literally the same pronunciation in the Arabic tongue...