Veteran complains about Xmas Angels. Gets them removed from county buildings.
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[QUOTE=faze;19152611]The Bible doesn't say that...[/QUOTE]
1 Chronicles 16:30
tremble before him, all earth; yea, the world stands firm, never to be moved.
Psalms 93:1
The Lord reigns; he is robbed in majesty; the lord is robbed, he is girded with strength. Yea, the world is established; it shall never be moved.
Psalms 96:10
Say among the nations, "The Lord reigns! Yea, the world is established, it shall never be moved; he will judge the peoples with equity."
[url]http://hypertextbook.com/eworld/geocentric.shtml#sun[/url]
[QUOTE=ManningQB18;19152756]I may be atheist, but I don't see a problem with christmas trees everywhere, still has a good meaning; giving.[/QUOTE]
He only had a problem with the angels on the christmas tree.
Good. Separation of church and state, the government can't be putting Christian symbols up on it's property. That's a textbook endorsement of one religion over another.
Begs the question of what do you put on top of the tree now? No stars, no angels, so what's left?
I will say that from the article, it sounds like the county handled the situation in a very calm and reasonable way. Good for them.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;19153648]Good. Separation of church and state, the government can't be putting Christian symbols up on it's property. That's a textbook endorsement of one religion over another.
Begs the question of what do you put on top of the tree now? No stars, no angels, so what's left?
I will say that from the article, it sounds like the county handled the situation in a very calm and reasonable way. Good for them.[/QUOTE]
Do you not know what separation of Church and State means? I'm late on this but as it was said earlier, it prohibits the government from making one official religion for the country.
[QUOTE=faze;19153670]Do you not know what separation of Church and State means? I'm late on this but as it was said earlier, it prohibits the government from making one official religion for the country.[/QUOTE]
No.
It's the seperation of religion from government practices.
[QUOTE=Mortson;19151445]You can't see emotions and yet they exist.[/QUOTE]
I was going to ignore this, because it's a rather bad example. But hell, I'll humor myself. While we can't see thoughts and emotions, directly looking at the brain. Why should we? If we saw what they represent, they wouldn't be representations. They'd be replications.
Now, we can observe the effects of the emotions, such as brain activity. Such as where the locations of activity are and what endorphins are released. Science doesn't have to see gravity to know it exists, but they can observe the effects to know it's true.
Science has yet to find any trace or proof of a god. Prayer has proven not to work, discoveries of ghosts and angels seem to be singled down to only personal experiences, out of body experiences have been explained and easily replicated with magnets. With the most minuscule knowledge of the brain, you'd know that it's highly suggestive to hallucinations and prone to fall for delusions. Most people automatically jump to the conclusion that something is supernatural rather than being skeptical and questioning it.
Honestly, I don't see how any logical person can be religious and I rarely do see a logical and critical people being religious.
:c00lbert:
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19153707]No.
It's the seperation of religion from government practices.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state[/url]
[QUOTE=faze;19153737][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state[/url][/QUOTE]
[quote]Separation of church and state is a political and legal doctrine that government and religious institutions are to be kept separate and independent from each other. The term most often refers to the combination of two principles: secularity of government and freedom of religious exercise.[/quote]
Your point being?
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;19153898]Your point being?[/QUOTE]
Point being the gov not enforcing one major religion, rather giving people the freedom to express whatever they want.
[QUOTE=faze;19153737][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_church_and_state[/url][/QUOTE]
Lemme guess, you stopped reading the article after it states that Jefferson wrote that it's about not allowing the state to establish itself with a certain religion. Why should I expect less from you? Maybe if you read more you'd see that you just shot yourself in the foot. Jefferson may have authored it, but James Madison championed it.
"... no man shall be compelled to frequent or support any religious worship, place, or ministry whatsoever, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in his body or goods, nor shall otherwise suffer on account of his religious opinions or belief; but that all men shall be free to profess, and by argument to maintain, their opinion in matters of religion, and that the same shall in no wise diminish enlarge, or affect their civil capacities."
Have anything else to say? I'm really enjoying myself.
Man, you guys are making a big deal out of a friggin Christmas tree.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;19154313]Man, you guys are making a big deal out of a friggin Christmas tree.[/QUOTE]
So did the old dude.
[QUOTE=doommarine23;19154313]Man, you guys are making a big deal out of a friggin Christmas tree.[/QUOTE]
ITT: We talk about the true meaning of separation of church and state. It all started from a 65 year old atheist veteran.
[QUOTE=faze;19154399]So did the old dude.[/QUOTE]
The guy isn't getting upset at all about the star, he's upset by the complete disregard of the constitution and misuse of taxpayer money.
Well the law is the law, I agree that the government should stay neutral
[QUOTE=faze;19149703]I'm going to stop now, and not humor your... theory.
I'll say one last thing though, [B]Christ[/B]mas. See what I did there?[/QUOTE]
Its like easter.
Because you know, easter is a Roman holiday...
[QUOTE=Kyle902;19154683]Its like easter.
Because you know, easter is a Roman holiday...[/QUOTE]
Easter celebrates Jesus rising from the dead into Heaven.
Got any more for me?
This is what happens when a haughty teen neglects to read the entire article...
[QUOTE=Vvon;19154785]This is what happens when a haughty teen neglects to read the entire article...[/QUOTE]
I'm 22, nice try.
[QUOTE=faze;19154691]Easter celebrates Jesus rising from the dead into Heaven.
Got any more for me?[/QUOTE]
Christians wanted holidays, and converts, so they adapted other celebrations to fit their religion.
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[QUOTE=faze;19154791]I'm 22, nice try.[/QUOTE]
That's worse.
[QUOTE=Vvon;19154804]Christians wanted holidays, and converts, so they adapted other celebrations to fit their religion.[/QUOTE]
The points behind them, which is the main backbone to any holiday or celebration, they did not.
And I'm not "half reading" articles.
[QUOTE=faze;19154691]Easter celebrates Jesus rising from the dead into Heaven.
Got any more for me?[/QUOTE]
Boy, isn't it weird how the first celebration of Easter was celebrated at 2400 B.C. at Egypt. Long before Christianity. Plagiarism seems to be quite frequent with Christians.
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Contrary to popular belief, Easter does not represent the "historical" crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In reality, the gospel tale reflects the annual "crossification" of the sun through the vernal equinox (Spring), at which time the sun is "resurrected," as the day begins to become longer than the night.
Rather than being a "Christian" holiday, Easter celebrations date back into remotest antiquity and are found around the world, as the blossoming of spring did not escape the notice of the ancients, who revered this life-renewing time of the year, when winter had passed and the sun was "born again." The "Pagan" Easter is also the Passover, and Jesus Christ represents not only the sun but also the Passover Lamb ritually sacrificed every year by a number of cultures, including the Egyptians, possibly as early as 4,000 years ago and continuing to this day in some places.
Easter is "Pessach" in Hebrew, "Pascha" in Greek, "Pachons" in Latin and "Pa-Khonsu" in Egyptian, "Khonsu" being an epithet for the sun god Horus. In Anglo-Saxon, Easter or Eostre is goddess of the dawn, corresponding to Ishtar, Astarte, Astoreth and Isis. The word "Easter" shares the same root with "east" and "eastern," the direction of the rising sun.
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[QUOTE=faze;19154822]The points behind them, which is the main backbone to any holiday or celebration, they did not.[/QUOTE]
What?
[QUOTE=faze;19149527]Christmas is celebrating the birth of Jesus.[/QUOTE]
Not exactly.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus#Sol_Invictus_and_Christianity[/url]
It's the Roman Winter Solstice, Christianity borrowed the date.
[QUOTE=faze;19154691]Easter celebrates Jesus rising from the dead into Heaven.
Got any more for me?[/QUOTE]
Wrong. Easter was actually the day the Romans celebrated their god of fertility. (Demeter)
The day was actually pronounced Eater but was later corrupted to Easter.
This is a proven fact. You cannot willingly deny it.
[QUOTE=yuki;19154911]Not exactly.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus#Sol_Invictus_and_Christianity[/url]
It's the Roman Winter Solstice, Christianity borrowed the date.[/QUOTE]
This is such a bad arguments. The Christian celebration of Christmas IS a Christian holiday, durrrr, and it IS celebrating the birth of christ.
[QUOTE=yuki;19154911]Not exactly.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus#Sol_Invictus_and_Christianity[/url]
It's the Roman Winter Solstice, Christianity borrowed the date.[/QUOTE]
Close...
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Christmas is an annual Christian holiday [B]commemorating the birth of Jesus of Nazareth[/B]. It is celebrated on December 25, but this date is not known to be Jesus' actual birthday, and may have initially been chosen to correspond with either the day exactly nine months after some early Christians believed Jesus had been conceived, a historical Roman festival, or the date of the northern hemisphere's winter solstice. Christmas is central to the Christmas and holiday season, and in Christianity marks the beginning of the larger season of Christmastide, which lasts twelve days.
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[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[/url]
[QUOTE=faze;19154998]Close...
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas[/url][/QUOTE]
Christmas was a Pagan holiday. Are you honestly trying to say that thousands of historians are wrong?
[quote] It is celebrated on December 25, but this date is not known to be Jesus' actual birthday, [b]and may have initially been chosen to correspond with either the day exactly nine months after some early Christians believed Jesus had been conceived, a historical Roman festival, or the date of the northern hemisphere's winter solstice.[/b][/quote]
Please read what you quote before you try and make a point.
The way i see it is that it really doesn't matter what it was adapted from, whatever religion you are apart of is what it means to you. So if any of you are defending the Roman celebration of the winter solstice you better damn well be a Roman pagan mofo.
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