• [VIDEO] McDonald's Worker serves justice and beats the shit out of irate customers that slaps, then
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Remember though this guy is no hero to be celebrated, he's not some awesome upstanding citizen. He shot and killed someone and served 10 years before this happened. During the shooting he also accidentally shot an 8 year old boy. Here is the article on that [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2000/01/05/nyregion/man-is-charged-in-mall-slaying-of-schoolmate.html[/url] We shouldn't be so quick to put this guy up as a folk hero and say "this guy is so awesome!" for beating up 2 morons.
I don't judge people, I make observations. And observing this leads me to believe he did the right thing.
[QUOTE=ZestyLemons;32790896]I don't think it's fair to judge his actions like this, being a spectator you have absolutely no idea what was going through his head. He was attacked, he defended himself. It's the kids fault entirely, the employee isn't to blame at all (unless ofc. there he provoked the kid or something dumb, but judging by the video the kid is just an asshole)[/QUOTE] Beating someone when they're trying to get up is not self defence. Get that through your thick skull.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812195]Beating someone when they're trying to get up is not self defence. Get that through your thick skull.[/QUOTE] If they have a weapon in their hand then that's arguable. We can't see behind the counter.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812195]Beating someone when they're trying to get up is not self defence. Get that through your thick skull.[/QUOTE] If he let them get up they might have attacked him again.
Uncut footage of the event: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgfluibRT_4[/media]
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812195]Beating someone when they're trying to get up is not self defence. Get that through your thick skull.[/QUOTE] So, by your logic, if I am attacked at any point in my life, and I manage to get the assailant on the ground by whatever means, and I know I cannot hold them down by myself while trying to get help. Then I cannot hit them until they are perfectly on their feet, and have probably armed themselves by that point. There isn't some "honor" system to self-defense, you attack back until that person isn't a threat to you, either by knocking them to the ground repeatedly without giving them a chance to get up, or whatever other methods are available. While the guy did go a bit over the top with his beatdown, I still think he was within his rights to keep them down. If there are two people attacking you, you will have a fucking hard time keeping both of them subdued without any form of violence or without help. Nobody in the store chose to help him (and that whiny bitch probably increased his rage tenfold with her shrieking), and the attackers had proven they were willing to cause him harm by [B]hopping the fucking counter[/B]. When attacked like that you don't get a 5 minute period to think over the best way to stop someone, you just find something to assist you in keeping them from being a bigger threat. Fight of flight, in most people, will usually lead to them using excessive force when attacked by multiple people. Without some kind of self-defense or martial arts training, it is pretty hard to tell what is and what isn't going overboard. And if what the guy who worked at McDonalds told us earlier is true, that pole is really light. He probably didn't realize the amount of damage it could cause and overcompensated in his attacks. He wasn't in the right to do as much damage as he did, but I severely doubt anyone here white knighting the attackers would have acted any differently when they realized nobody was going to stop them from ganging up on him after they jumped the counter.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32812541]So, by your logic, if I am attacked at any point in my life, and I manage to get the assailant on the ground by whatever means, and I know I cannot hold them down by myself while trying to get help. Then I cannot hit them until they are perfectly on their feet, and have probably armed themselves by that point. There isn't some "honor" system to self-defense, you attack back until that person isn't a threat to you, either by knocking them to the ground repeatedly without giving them a chance to get up, or whatever other methods are available. While the guy did go a bit over the top with his beatdown, I still think he was within his rights to keep them down. If there are two people attacking you, you will have a fucking hard time keeping both of them subdued without any form of violence or without help. Nobody in the store chose to help him (and that whiny bitch probably increased his rage tenfold with her shrieking), and the attackers had proven they were willing to cause him harm by [B]hopping the fucking counter[/B]. When attacked like that you don't get a 5 minute period to think over the best way to stop someone, you just find something to assist you in keeping them from being a bigger threat. Fight of flight, in most people, will usually lead to them using excessive force when attacked by multiple people. Without some kind of self-defense or martial arts training, it is pretty hard to tell what is and what isn't going overboard. And if what the guy who worked at McDonalds told us earlier is true, that pole is really light. He probably didn't realize the amount of damage it could cause and overcompensated in his attacks. He wasn't in the right to do as much damage as he did, but I severely doubt anyone here white knighting the attackers would have acted any differently when they realized nobody was going to stop them from ganging up on him after they jumped the counter.[/QUOTE] He was not withing his rights because he was charged with assault. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] He could have just pushed them away you know.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812568]He was not withing his rights because he was charged with assault. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] He could have just pushed them away you know.[/QUOTE] Did you even read any of what he said?
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812568]He was not withing his rights because he was charged with assault. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] He could have just pushed them away you know.[/QUOTE] He was charged with assault for causing the broken bones and fractures. He was within his rights to defend himself, as I said, he went overboard with the pole, but like fuck you would let two crazy assholes get back up after they just jumped a counter literally seconds after hitting you. Pushing people is well and fine if they are 5 years old, pushing adults puts you in a fair bit of danger compared to smacking them upside the head with a pole, they could quite easily, you know, grab him?
[QUOTE=st_nick5;32812619]Did you even read any of what he said?[/QUOTE] They weren't that big of a threat. Thats like saying its okay to kick an 80 year old lady in the face because she hit you with her bag.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812642]They weren't that big of a threat. Thats like saying its okay to kick an 80 year old lady in the face because she hit you with your bag.[/QUOTE] He didn't fucking know that. They could have pulled a knife out. I know they didn't have a knife, but the guy didn't know that at the time.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812642]They weren't that big of a threat. Thats like saying its okay to kick an 80 year old lady in the face because she hit you with your bag.[/QUOTE] Holy fuck can you be any more stupid? An 80 year old woman is nothing compared to 2 20-35 year olda. A 80 year old woman smacking you with a bag is an annoyance at best as she isn't going to be that strong. A pair of 20-35 year olds slapping you then hopping the counter to continue attacking is a threat.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32812627]He was charged with assault for causing the broken bones and fractures. He was within his rights to defend himself, as I said, he went overboard with the pole, but like fuck you would let two crazy assholes get back up after they just jumped a counter literally seconds after hitting you. Pushing people is well and fine if they are 5 years old, pushing adults puts you in a fair bit of danger compared to smacking them upside the head with a pole, they could quite easily, you know, grab him?[/QUOTE] God man you people don't know anything about self defence. He could have either kicked the guy away from him and just punch the bitch in the face or he could have just ran away.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812673]God man you people don't know anything about self defence. He could have either kicked the guy away from him and just punch the bitch in the face or he could have just ran away.[/QUOTE] Because they totally couldn't get back up, grab something, and chase him then, nope, no-siree :downs:
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32812670]Holy fuck can you be any more stupid? An 80 year old woman is nothing compared to 2 20-35 year olda. A 80 year old woman smacking you with a bag is an annoyance at best as she isn't going to be that strong. A pair of 20-35 year olds slapping you then hopping the counter to continue attacking is a threat.[/QUOTE] The guy in the video was not trying to stab him or anything like that. And you wouldn't smack someone in the head with a pole if they just slapped you. It's excessive and using a weapon is inexcusable.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812693]The guy in the video was not trying to stab him or anything like that. And you wouldn't smack someone in the head with a pole if they just slapped you. It's excessive and using a weapon is inexcusable.[/QUOTE] What guy? What are you talking about? I think you're typing faster than you can think now. Just stop.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812693]The guy in the video was not trying to stab him or anything like that. And you wouldn't smack someone in the head with a pole if they just slapped you. It's excessive and using a weapon is inexcusable.[/QUOTE] How do you know the guy in the video wasn't going to stab him? Were you the guy in the video? Do you have some ~insider information~ you don't want to share? People conceal knives all the fucking time. It's safe to assume that if someone is willing to hop a counter to come at you over questioning a fucking $50, they want to fuck you up. So yes, using a weapon can be excused if you can assume that someone means businesses enough.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32812681]Because they totally couldn't get back up, grab something, and chase him then, nope, no-siree :downs:[/QUOTE] They wouldn't, nobody can be that stupid, its fucking mcdonalds. Why would you get into a fight with some casheer and then after slapping him try to beat him up. And after he managed to kick you and get away why would you still pick up a weapon a try to beat him with it? IMO everyone in that video is an Idiot and that lady did not pose a threat at all. There are other ways to subdue someone rather than hitting them with a metal bar. The cashier should have just walked away when he got slapped. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;32812722]How do you know the guy in the video wasn't going to stab him? Were you the guy in the video? Do you have some ~insider information~ you don't want to share? People conceal knives all the fucking time. It's safe to assume that if someone is willing to hop a counter to come at you over questioning a fucking $50, they want to fuck you up. So yes, using a weapon can be excused if you can assume that someone means businesses enough.[/QUOTE] Yes well the courts dont see it that way. If someone trys to mug you in an allyway and you stab him, without him having a weapon. You're going to serve some time.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812727]They wouldn't, nobody can be that stupid, its fucking mcdonalds. Why would you get into a fight with some casheer and then after slapping him try to beat him up. And after he managed to kick you and get away why would you still pick up a weapon a try to beat him with it? IMO everyone in that video is an Idiot and that lady did not pose a threat at all. There are other ways to subdue someone rather than hitting them with a metal bar. The cashier should have just walked away when he got slapped.[/QUOTE] Weren't the two woman drunk? Drunk people don't exactly act rationally when they get angry. They could very well have pulled a knife out or some other kind of weapon if they had one, regardless of how many people were there, and regardless of the fact that it was fucking mcdonalds.
[QUOTE=st_nick5;32812757]Weren't the two woman drunk? Drunk people don't exactly act rationally when they get angry. They could very well have pulled a knife out or some other kind of weapon if they had one, regardless of how many people were there, and regardless of the fact that it was fucking mcdonalds.[/QUOTE] Why the hell would they'd be drunk in a mcdonalds and what makes you think they were drunk?
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812727]They wouldn't, nobody can be that stupid, its fucking mcdonalds. Why would you get into a fight with some casheer and then after slapping him try to beat him up. And after he managed to kick you and get away why would you still pick up a weapon a try to beat him with it? IMO everyone in that video is an Idiot and that lady did not pose a threat at all. There are other ways to subdue someone rather than hitting them with a metal bar. The cashier should have just walked away when he got slapped.[/QUOTE] Clearly somebody is that stupid, because they did try and go after him, and get back up after being put down. Why did they choose to get in a fight with a cashier? It was only standard procedure and they chose to slap him, clearly the epitome of intelligence. Again, they were dumb enough to start a fight over him following procedure, of course there is a chance they would be dumb enough to try and get something to attack him with if they got up. They hopped a fucking counter for fucks sake, sane people don't do that. Yes, everyone was an idiot to some extent (the blonde especially), but chancing subduing more than one person in a less violent way, with nobody actually trying to help, isn't a very smart idea. He did walk away, from what I saw, he came back with the pole when they hopped the counter, not before they hopped the counter.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812774]Why the hell would they'd be drunk in a mcdonalds and what makes you think they were drunk?[/QUOTE] I saw it mentioned further back in the thread. And why wouldn't they be drunk in mcdonalds? I've seen drunk people in mcdonalds.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812727]Yes well the courts dont see it that way. If someone trys to mug you in an allyway and you stab him, without him having a weapon. You're going to serve some time.[/QUOTE] And so you should if you did enough damage to the mugger. But that doesn't mean you should just assume they aren't going to pull a knife out when they have already tried to mug you, you'll just get your dumb ass killed.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32812789]Clearly somebody is that stupid, because they did try and go after him, and get back up after being put down. Why did they choose to get in a fight with a cashier? It was only standard procedure and they chose to slap him, clearly the epitome of intelligence. Again, they were dumb enough to start a fight over him following procedure, of course there is a chance they would be dumb enough to try and get something to attack him with if they got up. They hopped a fucking counter for fucks sake, sane people don't do that. Yes, everyone was an idiot to some extent (the blonde especially), but chancing subduing more than one person in a less violent way, with nobody actually trying to help, isn't a very smart idea. He did walk away, from what I saw, he came back with the pole when they hopped the counter, not before they hopped the counter.[/QUOTE] So why was he charged with assault? If people use violence in self defence they don't get charged.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812863]So why was he charged with assault? If people use violence in self defence they don't get charged.[/QUOTE] Holy shit do you ever actually read? He was charged with assault for causing a good deal of bodily harm to his attackers. Not for defending himself, but for taking the beating too far, which I have said again and again, but you seem to enjoy skipping over that part if it helps your argument, clearly. You should go into politics or something, holy shit you suck at proving points wrong.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32812861]And so you should if you did enough damage to the mugger. But that doesn't mean you should just assume they aren't going to pull a knife out when they have already tried to mug you, you'll just get your dumb ass killed.[/QUOTE] My point is you can't preemptively attack someone with a weapon and call it legal self defence. They have to come at you with a weapon first or at least wield one / threaten you with one.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812727] Yes well the courts dont see it that way. If someone trys to mug you in an allyway and you stab him, without him having a weapon. You're going to serve some time.[/QUOTE] Recently a burglar broke into someone's home and threatened the owner, and got stabbed and died. The home-owner got off. edit - hexpunK, they don't read. If they did, they would have no more arguments left.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;32812896]Holy shit do you ever actually read? He was charged with assault for causing a good deal of bodily harm to his attackers. Not for defending himself, but for taking the beating too far, which I have said again and again, but you seem to enjoy skipping over that part if it helps your argument, clearly. You should go into politics or something, holy shit you suck at proving points wrong.[/QUOTE] All charges would have been dropped if it was self defence. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=st_nick5;32812905]Recently a burglar broke into someone's home and threatened the owner, and got stabbed and died. The home-owner got off. edit - hexpunK, they don't read. If they did, they would have no more arguments left.[/QUOTE] Okay? On a side note, before I post I usually just read the OP and a few posts after it. Not the entire thread.
[QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812899]My point is you can't preemptively attack someone with a weapon and call it legal self defence. They have to come at you with a weapon first or at least wield one / threaten you with one.[/QUOTE] If the weapon is concealed, how do you know they have a weapon? If someone who is attacking you tries to get up after being knocked down, then clearly, they want a piece of your ass, if it looks like they are going for a pocket, it's safe to assume there is something useful to them in there, like, oh, say...a weapon? We don't know what happened behind there exactly, but we can assume they must have tried going for something to cause him to hit them that much. [editline]16th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=ultra_bright;32812912]All charges would have been dropped if it was self defence.[/QUOTE] Proof you need to go back to pre-school. I said multiple times, and even in the exact post you quoted, he deserved the charges for going overbaord with the pole. He wasn't charged for defending himself, but for going over the top. As I said in my first fucking post here, I agree he went over the top with the beatdown, but he still has a right to stop them from causing him harm. Though, just to re-iterate, [B]he went over the top with the defense, and deserves the assault charges.[/B]
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