• [VIDEO] McDonald's Worker serves justice and beats the shit out of irate customers that slaps, then
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;32793288]Don't forget, he had left the area as the women were jumping over. He specifically [b]came back[/b] with the pole.[/QUOTE] Defending his co-workers and workplace? [QUOTE=Zeke129;32793321]I don't disagree with him that a kitchen is dangerous but his condescending diagram with big letters and arrows was retarded.[/QUOTE] You didn't seem to get how dangerous it could be for all of the employees if he didn't subdue both people and ensured they stayed down until the police came, so I made it obvious.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32793051]Then by your definition, you can apply that to [I]any[/I] weapon. Be it a police baton, or taser. As they can yield deadly results in rare cases.[/QUOTE] If you saw a policeman beating an unarmed suspect in the head with a baton would it be reasonable self defence in their case?
[QUOTE=doonbugie2;32793302]As he realized his co-workers were in danger. Heroic if you ask me. [/QUOTE] Heroic would have been stopping them, and then backing off. Heroes are generally responsible.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32793321]I don't disagree with him that a kitchen is dangerous but his condescending diagram with big letters and arrows was retarded.[/QUOTE] I beg to differ, it clearly illustrated where the danger was. Your "parody" was senseless lines that were irrelevant to the argument.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32793328]Defending his co-workers and workplace?[/QUOTE] He isn't under any obligation to defend his workplace and was probably in violation of company policy by doing so, and if his true intent was to defend his co-workers he wouldn't have fled first. [editline]15th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=doonbugie2;32793334]I beg to differ, it clearly illustrated where the danger was. Your "parody" was senseless lines that were irrelevant to the argument.[/QUOTE] His image was just as irrelevant because he could just as easily have communicated his argument with words (and already had) (btw it was parodying it by making it look like an american football playbook, which stereotypically have lots of lines and circles, but it isn't funny if I need to explain it)
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32793344]He isn't under any obligation to defend his workplace and was probably in violation of company policy by doing so, and if his true intent was to defend his co-workers he wouldn't have fled first.[/QUOTE] It is instinct to help your fellow human if they are being attacked.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32793344]He isn't under any obligation to defend his workplace and was probably in violation of company policy by doing so, and if his true intent was to defend his co-workers he wouldn't have fled first.[/QUOTE] So what would he subdue them with if he didn't go through to the back? [QUOTE=Zeke129;32793344]His image was just as irrelevant because he could just as easily have communicated his argument with words (and already had)[/QUOTE] You showed you either ignored the danger or showed you didn't understand it. So I did the natural thing and made sure you do.
[QUOTE=Mlisen14;32793329]If you saw a policeman beating an unarmed suspect in the head with a baton would it be reasonable self defence in their case?[/QUOTE]Was he being ganged up by two suspects? Were the suspects drunk? Were they previously aggressive? And finally, the most important part: did the officer order they stay down, and only beat them as they tried to get back up?
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32793369]Was he being ganged up by two suspects? Where the suspects drunk? Where they previously aggressive? And finally, the most important part: did the officer order they stay down, and only beat them as they tried to get back up?[/QUOTE] Exactly. If it was a police officer who did this, we wouldn't even be having this discussion.
And before you argue that the police wouldn't have hit them in the head Zeke, this guy hadn't had police training. All that would have been going through his head is protecting himself and his workmates, and not where he should focus his hits.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32793354]So what would he subdue them with if he didn't go through to the back?[/quote] Do I need to quote New York State law again? He either had a duty to flee or only use reasonable force. He fled, and then came back when they followed. That would be okay, but as I said they were down and he was still going as [b]his coworker was grabbing his arm and someone else was yelling to stop.[/b] Nobody else in that kitchen seemed to think he was still defending himself at that point. [editline]15th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Starpluck;32793369]Was he being ganged up by two suspects? Where the suspects drunk? Where they previously aggressive? And finally, the most important part: did the officer order they stay down, and only beat them as they tried to get back up?[/QUOTE] This guy wasn't ganged up on, there were more people behind the kitchen than there were instigators.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32793160]They were in an area with plenty of potential weapons. Whether or not they had any in their pockets is irrelevant. [img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/9104987/mcds.png[/img][/QUOTE] Alright, I'm gonna put my terrible high-school job decisions to use here and tell you why everything about this is wrong. This is McDonalds, not a butcher shop, there are no cleavers, the most you'll find is a dicing knife, WAY in the back, where the cutting is done. There are no pans of oil, only screen-like trays, you can't use that as a weapon. Boiling coffee - Those aren't pots, what's he going to do? Grab a cup? Pick up the machine, move it to her and force the her head under the nossle? 'General untensils' - Right, I forgot about the quality silverware every McDonalds gives their customers. This point will be valid when someone is seriously maimed by a plastic fork.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32793395]Do I need to quote New York State law again? He either had a duty to flee or only use reasonable force. He fled, and then came back when they followed. That would be okay, but as I said they were down and he was still going as [b]his coworker was grabbing his arm and someone else was yelling to stop.[/b] Nobody else in that kitchen seemed to think he was still defending himself at that point. [editline]15th October 2011[/editline] This guy wasn't ganged up on, there were more people behind the kitchen than there were instigators.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter how many people there were. They could still have injured someone, which is why he did what he did. And if he didn't come back, they would have followed him into the kitchen anyway. What would he have done then?
One punch would be accepted. Beating the shit out of her with an object is not.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32793369]Was he being ganged up by two suspects? Were the suspects drunk? Were they previously aggressive? And finally, the most important part: did the officer order they stay down, and only beat them as they tried to get back up?[/QUOTE] Why couldn't he have just pinned them down on the floor instead of beating them down with a metal pole?
I would've hit the dude harder after hearing that fucking banshee.
I haven't made any terrible career decisions so sorry that my best guess isn't accurate enough for the [b]experts[/b].
Starpluck I trust when this goes to trial you'll update right
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32791997]Starpluck, the person WAS down. And the guy kept beating. WITH A WEAPON. Something the other person showed no indication of having. This is cut and dry assault.[/QUOTE] The aim of defense is to neutralize your opponent to the extent that they cannot pose an immediate threat to you or your surroundings. This dude did it with a metal pole, who the fuck cares?
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32793435]Starpluck I trust when this goes to trial you'll update right[/QUOTE] This is the last we will hear of it.
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32793431]I haven't made any terrible career decisions so sorry that my best guess isn't accurate enough for the experts![/QUOTE] McDonalds is actually generally considered to be a decent employer.
And also the view is obscured by that table, so you can't tell if they were getting up or not.
[QUOTE=Sickle;32793444]The aim of defense is to neutralize your opponent to the extent that they cannot pose an immediate threat to you or your surroundings. This dude did it with a metal pole, [b]who the fuck cares?[/b][/QUOTE] Lawyers, judges, juries, the law, the media, the person being beaten
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32793459]McDonalds is actually generally considered to be a decent employer.[/QUOTE] I think I'll stick with being tier 2 support. Shit pay, abusive customers, what's to like?
[QUOTE=Sickle;32793460]And also the view is obscured by that table, so you can't tell if they were getting up or not.[/QUOTE] I saw a hand once
[QUOTE=Sickle;32793444]The aim of defense is to neutralize your opponent to the extent that they cannot pose an immediate threat to you or your surroundings. This dude did it with a metal pole, who the fuck cares?[/QUOTE] The police maybe? Once they were down he should have dropped the pole and subdued them with a less dangerous method.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;32793422]Why couldn't he have just pinned them down on the floor instead of beating them down with a metal pole?[/QUOTE]Because two people were charging him at once, even if he could somehow manage to do so, he shouldn't need to endanger himself in the process as they were the ones who attacked him. which is why he used a pole instead. The coworkers didn't even do anything when they jumped counter, they didn't try to stop them. They only advised the defender to stop when he started beating them. So I guess he took their inaction when they first jumped as an indication that he'd be on his own until they full on attack him, which he shouldn't allow.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;32793468]I saw a hand once[/QUOTE] doonbugie2, I don't understand why you rated this dumb, since I'm agreeing that the lady tried to get up at least once almost as if you're not even reading my posts or something
[QUOTE=Man Without Hat;32793431]I haven't made any terrible career decisions so sorry that my best guess isn't accurate enough for the [b]experts[/b].[/QUOTE] Career? I can't tell if that's a jab at my intelligence. I made it pretty clear it was a high-school job Oh yeah, and you don't need to be a McDonalds 'expert' to see how thoroughly stupid that picture was. You made a point about using a 45+pound coffee machine as a weapon, then talked about McDonalds silverware. It should have been pretty evident how nonsensical both of those concepts are.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;32793485]Because two people were charging him at once, even if he could somehow manage to do so, he shouldn't need to endanger himself in the process as they attacked him which is why he used a pole instead. The coworkers didn't even do anything when they jumped, they didn't try to stop them, until he started beating so I guess he took that as an indication that he'd be on his own until they attack him, which he shouldn't allow.[/QUOTE] I didn't phrase that very well. I meant after the initial pole beating when they were on the floor.
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