Nintendo reports third consecutive annual loss as Wii U sales fizzle out - Polidicks

[QUOTE=lazyguy;44745024]I'm not entirely sure it works like that. If Nintendo go bankrupt, they have to sell off their assets to pay their creditors.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't be surprised if they have a hidden stash to pay them off should they go under. They still hold on to old values so they will find someway to take their IPs with them.

There are no games for it that would incentivize me to want to buy it

[QUOTE=Elspin;44745766]If [url=http://www.vgchartz.com/analysis/platform_totals/Tie-Ratio/Global/]these statistics[/url] are to be believed it was lower than basically every console of the generation and the generation before it it but it still wasn't that far below say the 360 (11 to 9, roughly)[/QUOTE] Yeah, but that places the retention rate at the top (and for Nintendo, second to only its Gamecube), not at the absolute bottom. I just hate it when people post completely outrageous claims without any sources, it just spreads misinformation.

[QUOTE=Antimuffin;44744873]A subpar console? Excuse me, I, for example, own one. The Wii U is technically the best console Nintendo has ever produced. 60 FPS and 1080p for almost every game. A gamepad that feels like a good addition to the possibilites the Wii U offers. They continue the produce fun-as-fuck games with Pikmin 3, Mario 3D World, Wonderful 101, etc. In my eyes it's the best console they have made so far. If you would take a look at Nintendos console you would see, that they were never "high" quality stuff but even it out with the great games. The just released it too early, with not enough killergames. Refusing to fire Iwata? They cut the salaries for the upper heads from Nintendo by 50%. And did it again a few months ago, due to Nintendos loss. In other companies those people would leave the company and take millions with them. Sony on the other hand fired 10.000 of their employee due to their loss, while Nintendo tried to fire as few people as possible. Actually, none. Refusing to compete with Microsoft and Sony? Excuse me, what exactly did they do for the past 20 years? They even left Xbox 360 and PS3 far behind with the Wii sales. And still dominate the handheldmarket. Mario and co. for PC? What a dreamer! Sega made 3 flop products in a row and were nearly broke. That was their only way to survive. But Nintendo on the other hand made constant win years in a row. They have enough money to survive the Wii U. And enough money to survive for at least another 10 years. edit: thx for teh funnies. That's my opinion how it is.[/QUOTE] Theres your problem. The Wii U is technically the best console Nintendo has ever produced. Period. That would be fine, if Nintendo was the only console maker out there. But it isn't. And while they produce fun games, so does every other console out there get fun games. Imo, if they released it now, it would be an even bigger mess than it already is, no matter what games they had for it. And please, stop living in the past. Every Nintendo fanboy keeps mentioning the same damn thing, about how the Wii passed the PS3 and the x360 in sales. This is the WiiU we're talking about, which also doesn't constitute the handheld market. And wasn't the Wii always the cheapest of the 3 aswell?

[QUOTE=Rocâ„¢;44746063]Theres your problem. The Wii U is technically the best console Nintendo has ever produced. Period. That would be fine, if Nintendo was the only console maker out there. But it isn't. And while they produce fun games, so does every other console out there get fun games. Imo, if they released it now, it would be an even bigger mess than it already is, no matter what games they had for it. And please, stop living in the past. Every Nintendo fanboy keeps mentioning the same damn thing, about how the Wii passed the PS3 and the x360 in sales. This is the WiiU we're talking about, which also doesn't constitute the handheld market. And wasn't the Wii always the cheapest of the 3 aswell?[/QUOTE] Yeah but there were two other times when Nintendo had the more powerful console, they were called the N64 and the Gamecube, and look how those turned out. It's clear that unless you're doing shit like they did with the Genesis/SNES war and coming up with buzzwords, people don't give a shit about power. Or at least they don't understand it, hence why people still argue whether a game looks better on Playstation or Xbox even though it's the same damn game.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44746057]Yeah, but that places the retention rate at the top (and for Nintendo, second to only its Gamecube), not at the absolute bottom. I just hate it when people post completely outrageous claims without any sources, it just spreads misinformation.[/QUOTE] What do you mean places it's retention rate at "the top"? It's behind the xbox, xbox 360, playstation 1/2/3, and gamecube. Either way, still doesn't seem anywhere near the worst. The wii u is sitting at a 3.84 right now which is somewhere around abysmal and jesus fucking christ wow that's bad

Maybe they should re-release the Wii U with a new name / design then put up adverts for it. Oh and a abillty to plug in a 3ds/play 3ds games natively on it

THEY BETTER HAVE SOME KIND OF FUCKING ADVERTISEMENT FOR THE NEXT MARIO KART WII U BUNDLE OR I WILL BE FURIOUS.

I'll help them out. I'm getting the U specifically for Smash Bros/Mario Kart 8 (as so many other sare). But once I have it, it'll be a good excuse to get some of their other titles, such as WindWaker. As I don't really care for the Ps4 or Xbone, Nintendo will end up being the only console I buy for.

[QUOTE=Elspin;44746171]What do you mean places it's retention rate at "the top"? It's behind the xbox, xbox 360, playstation 1/2/3, and gamecube. Either way, still doesn't seem anywhere near the worst. The wii u is sitting at a 3.84 right now which is somewhere around abysmal and jesus fucking christ wow that's bad[/QUOTE] I'm saying that it's sitting on spot number 7 while being closer to 4 (PS3) than 8. It's not surprising that the Wii U is sitting around there - it hasn't been out for that long, after all. Something I find much more interesting is that the retention rate for the Xbone is higher than the PS4's, even though they've been out for equally long. Seems like Microsoft is selling more software than Sony (might have something to do with Titanfall).

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44746707]I'm saying that it's sitting on spot number 7 while being closer to 4 (PS3) than 8. It's not surprising that the Wii U is sitting around there - it hasn't been out for that long, after all. Something I find much more interesting is that the retention rate for the Xbone is higher than the PS4's, even though they've been out for equally long. Seems like Microsoft is selling more software than Sony (might have something to do with Titanfall).[/QUOTE] Well the currently launched xbox games are IMO way more interesting than the PS4 ones, dead rising alone is probably the only one I'd actually consider buying. Anyhow, the PS4 and Xbone have a miniscule library and have been out for a tiny fraction of the time as the wii u yet they're almost reaching it in retention rate so I'm not so sure that's a good excuse. The wii u is a flop, no way around that, let's just hope they do better next time because a dick waving contest exclusively between microsoft and sony would be a sad affair :v:

[QUOTE=Flubbman;44744641]Sad, but who didn't see it coming? I don't think I've ever seen a single ad for it.[/QUOTE] As it was said, apparently ads for WiiU stuff are aired on channels meant for children(Nickelodeon was the stated example). They DID advertise on mainstream channels prior to the WiiU actually being released. Apparently they were very ineffective, what with how they focused more on the controller being used as a second screen rather than showing footage of games for longer than a few seconds. They also tried to make Video Chat seem like some revolutionary new thing Nintendo invented, for some reason.

[QUOTE=Computrix;44746662]I'll help them out. I'm getting the U specifically for Smash Bros/Mario Kart 8 (as so many other sare). But once I have it, it'll be a good excuse to get some of their other titles, such as WindWaker. As I don't really care for the Ps4 or Xbone, Nintendo will end up being the only console I buy for.[/QUOTE] I don't think "many others are" - don't get me wrong, I want to Nintendo to rebound, but if you take a look at game pre-orders (though there's only data for the US), Mario Kart is in fifth place. Two PS4 games take the top, but two Xbone games are also on there, and the Xbone is sitting closer to the Wii U in US market share than the PS4. Now, PS4 and Xbone are of course more popular in the US than the Wii U, but it still shows that Mario kart - while probably a great game - isn't necessarily gonna be the ultimate system seller. Though the data shows it increasing in pre-orders fairly rapidly, so who knows. And again, pre-order data (especially when it's only from the US) isn't necessarily indicative of how many will buy the game, but still - it's something to consider. At this point in time, Titanfall for the Xbone was sitting at around 270000 pre-orders, with about 2.4 million Xbones sold in North America. This is around the number of Wii Us in NA, so Nintendo should really be around this number rather than 145000. This is of course assuming that Wii U owners like to pre-order games. And assuming a lot of other things, of course. [editline]7th May 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Elspin;44746753]Well the currently launched xbox games are IMO way more interesting than the PS4 ones, dead rising alone is probably the only one I'd actually consider buying. Anyhow, the PS4 and Xbone have a miniscule library and have been out for a tiny fraction of the time as the wii u yet they're almost reaching it in retention rate so I'm not so sure that's a good excuse. The wii u is a flop, no way around that, let's just hope they do better next time because a dick waving contest exclusively between microsoft and sony would be a sad affair :v:[/QUOTE] The Wii U retention rate is about 1.65x that of the PS4. The Xbone is a bit closer, but honestly I don't think this seems to be the Wii U's largest problem. And I'll be the first person to say that the Wii U has flopped, I just don't think the retention rate is "abysmal" compared to the PS4 and Xbone's.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;44746828]The Wii U retention rate is about 1.65x that of the PS4. The Xbone is a bit closer, but honestly I don't think this seems to be the Wii U's largest problem. And I'll be the first person to say that the Wii U has flopped, I just don't think the retention rate is "abysmal" compared to the PS4 and Xbone's.[/QUOTE] It really is when you consider the xbox one has been out for less than 6 months and the wii u has been out for about a year and a half... I mean the xbox 360 has almost 3x that, and it's especially sad because the wii u's low sales means it's mostly fans buying the console who you'd think would buy more games

I want a WiiU but I just can't really afford to put money out on one right now. A friend left his at my place a few days ago so I spent the last two and a half days and played Wind Waker HD start to finish. I want one for Smash Brothers, new Zelda, Monster Hunter, and a few others I can't remember at the moment.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44746167]Yeah but there were two other times when Nintendo had the more powerful console, they were called the N64 and the Gamecube, and look how those turned out. It's clear that unless you're doing shit like they did with the Genesis/SNES war and coming up with buzzwords, people don't give a shit about power. Or at least they don't understand it, hence why people still argue whether a game looks better on Playstation or Xbox even though it's the same damn game.[/QUOTE] Something tells me its all about the video games. For example, Nintendo lost Final Fantasy to Sony, when Square realised the N64 cartridges didn't have enough space for the game. The console could have been better, but that seriously set it backwards. Probably also the reason why Nintendo didn't get many more IPs from outside. The Gamecube lost to the PS2 probably because of the huge success Sony built with the Playstation brand, and due to how good the PS2 was, with a built in DVD player and everything. Basically, Nintendo's non-portable consoles have been outclassed in one way or another when big players like Sony and Microsoft showed up. Nowadays, we've got this empire of games that we damn well know are gonna show up on the PS and Xbox systems, which leads to people mostly sticking to those consoles yet again. It's like a big race, and Nintendo fell behind really badly with at the very least the Wii U due to many other bad decisions with past consoles, and it wont probably get to even half of the success of last gen's consoles. Devs should be also to blame, since there aren't many devs with big shot titles that give Nintendo consoles like the Wii a shot, and honestly, we can't really blame them. Or at least this is how I see it.

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[QUOTE=Ashes;44747403]Of course the Xboner/Piss station 4 fanboys who never played anything worth playing like a nintendo game in their whole life would "Celebrate"[/QUOTE] Double standard much?

[QUOTE=Ashes;44747403]Of course the Xboner/Piss station 4 fanboys who never played anything worth playing like a nintendo game in their whole life would "Celebrate"[/QUOTE] I like how you put TitanFall first and then edited it

[QUOTE=Ashes;44747403]Of course the Xboner/Piss station 4 fanboys who never played anything worth playing like a nintendo game in their whole life would "Celebrate"[/QUOTE] xboner and piss station am I on fucking Gamespot's System Wars forum right now

I mean DK trop Frizzle was extremely fun on it's own also.

It's sad to see this, I love My Wii U and I am excited to see what Nintendo shows us at E3. It will be interesting to see if how much of an impact Mario kart 8 will do.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;44744900]Just going to address the highlighted part because Nintendo fanboys always bring it up, not saying you are one. The Wii outsold the PS3 and the 360, however the retention rate (i.e. the number of games sold per console) was exceedingly low. The PS3 sold just under 10 games per console, the 360 sold just over 10 games per console, the Wii sold just over [b]1[/b] game per console, shipping the most consoles doesn't mean shit when no one buys games for them.[/QUOTE] that's not even true. this was released by Nintendo themselves today. [img]http://wiiudaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/wii-vs-wii-u.jpg?af4e70[/img]

[QUOTE=Xonax;44744902]They said they wouldn't give the franchises they make to anyone else, so if the company goes, the franchises go. I can't find the source, it was like a year ago but I remember them saying something like that.[/QUOTE] nintendo says a lot of things, i REALLY doubt that if the company really does goes under, the shareholders will be fine with folks at nintendo going "well guys, lets take our ball and go home" when said ball is a ridiculously ammount great IPs, and refuse to sell games anymore :v: even the original family that made nintendo, jumped ship btw, lets just face it, things aren't good for nintendo, and i would be very surprised if they don't go the sega way. [url]http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-founding-family-to-sell-shares-worth-over-1-billion-update/1100-6417487/[/url]

[QUOTE=Wizards Court;44747651]nintendo says a lot of things, i REALLY doubt that if the company really does goes under, the shareholders will be fine with folks at nintendo going "well guys, lets take our ball and go home" when said ball is a ridiculously ammount great IPs, and refuse to sell games anymore :v: even the original family that made nintendo, jumped ship btw, lets just face it, things aren't good for nintendo, and i would be very surprised if they don't go the sega way. [url]http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-founding-family-to-sell-shares-worth-over-1-billion-update/1100-6417487/[/url][/QUOTE] they've been a company since 1889. they have been through tougher times than this with the video game crash of the 1980's and emerged fine. they are posting losses, but not as much as sony or microsoft as a whole (though those companies have less loss in their games departments). they have a lot of money in the bank due to previous financial successes, and the 3DS is selling very well for them and growing at a faster rate than the original DS. Nintendo won't go under, and they won't go the Sega way. i don't know how many times this needs to be explained, it just is not going to happen because of current Wii U sales.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;44745380]Except that the entire reason Nintendo is good is because they refuse to compete with Sony and Microsoft. I don't want Nintendo making Call of Duty style shooters just so they can make money. That's literally the definition of selling out.[/QUOTE] It makes good business sense for Nintendo to be different from their competitors but it shouldn’t be at the cost of offering consumers a diverse, well rounded library of software that covers most genres.

[QUOTE=Flubbman;44744641]Sad, but who didn't see it coming? I don't think I've ever seen a single ad for it.[/QUOTE] I knew about it since it came out and I'm not even slightly interested in it what's really the appeal? really? is it that different from a wii?

While I do feel sorry for Nintendo, the Wii U as it is right now can't really justify much sales. They are doing amazing with 3DS, so the firm as a whole deserves allot of love, but if their handhelds didn't exist I'd honestly say they'd deserve this. No amount of love for Nintendo can justify a barely advertised console with too small a library. Just being brutally honest.

[QUOTE=J!NX;44748107]I knew about it since it came out and I'm not even slightly interested in it what's really the appeal? really? is it that different from a wii?[/QUOTE] First Nintendo console to have an HDMI port? No but really, it's the same main appeal as any other Nintendo system. People buy it for the latest Mario, Zelda, and Super Smash Bros.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;44748136]First Nintendo console to have an HDMI port? No but really, it's the same main appeal as any other Nintendo system. People buy it for the latest Mario, Zelda, and Super Smash Bros.[/QUOTE] But that's it I mean I really need to grab my gamecube and play some Sunshine and maybe the wii for mario galaxy but... wii u just seems to be the same story again. there is nothing going on with nintendo. yeah, Mario and Zelda is [B]really fun[/B] but it honestly would feel wrong to buy a console for that