[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50485421]Or be friends with Russia, stop supplying any forces outside of the Kurds/Iraqis, give Russia the thumbs up to do whatever they want in Syria, and slowly withdrawal our military involvement in most, if not all countries.[/QUOTE]
Don't you think your eastern European allies might be a little ticked off by you essentially handing them over to Russia?
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;50485393]Between this, 'describe your student debt in three emojis' and that tweet with the GIF of her with a smug face and colourful background, she just might be the cringiest person ever[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure it's just campaign provided "social media experts" running that feed. Not Clinton herself. Blame the cringe on the cringiest job around.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50485421]Or be friends with Russia, stop supplying any forces outside of the Kurds/Iraqis, give Russia the thumbs up to do whatever they want in Syria, and slowly withdrawal our military involvement in most, if not all countries.[/QUOTE]
that is not anywhere close to anything that Trump has suggested
I mean, yeah, we might pull out of Korea and Japan. Thank god too, I was sick of seeing the coffins return from the deadly Japanese front. But he's made it explicitly clear that he wants to be more involved with the war against ISIS, not less.
And why the fuck should we be friends with Russia? They fucking annexed Crimea. They're funding a civil war in Ukraine. If anything we should be opposing them now more than ever.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50485421]Or be friends with Russia, stop supplying any forces outside of the Kurds/Iraqis, give Russia the thumbs up to do whatever they want in Syria, and slowly withdrawal our military involvement in most, if not all countries.[/QUOTE]
Isolationism is a terrible foreign policy in this time and age
It didn't work before, and it won't work today
Get your head out of your ass
Obongo is going to join Clinton on the campaign trail, starting in Green Bay, Wisconsin on June 15
[url]http://www.wqow.com/story/32186464/2016/06/09/president-obama-formally-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president-will-make-campaign-stop-together-in-green-bay[/url]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50485388]Oh look, just another reason for me to vote Trump. I'll probably vote some Democrat-NPL folks in North Dakota, as they tend to just be Republican lite, and support gun rights, on the other hand though, I will never vote Democrat on the national level. With the gun control rhetoric, constantly hawking dirty wars in the middle east, and pissing off our East European allies... It just would be counter-productive for a lot of the things I believe in.[/QUOTE]
So I was gonna call you out on knowing jack shit about the politics of the UK and EU in the thread where you decided posting some asinine bullshit was a good move. But I could forgive that as it's really not interesting and you have zero reason to understand it.
But to not understand how the views of the parties of your own country would impact policy? Damn, are you allergic to reading or something? The democrats are nowhere near as "warhawkish" as 90% of the Republican party, foster stronger relations with the European allies you have and generally don't piss off the developed world with petty insults and isolationist practices.
"Dirty wars in the middle east". You can thank your Republicans for starting this shit and leaving it to the Democratic presidency to try and clean up.
The current Republican frontrunner is despised by any sane political figure in the west, his only supporters being actual fascists and fucking Putin.
[QUOTE=hexpunK;50485443]Pretty sure it's just campaign provided "social media experts" running that feed. Not Clinton herself. Blame the cringe on the cringiest job around.[/QUOTE]
Yep, the tweet says '-H' on the end if it's from her, like this
[media]https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/740965834470916097[/media]
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50485421]Or be friends with Russia, stop supplying any forces outside of the Kurds/Iraqis, give Russia the thumbs up to do whatever they want in Syria, and slowly withdrawal our military involvement in most, if not all countries.[/QUOTE]
Yes, let a country run by an actual egomaniac with zero care about minimising casualties and the gall to deny a obvious as fuck land invasion of a neighbouring country take over the job of stabilising the middle east. Good idea.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;50485425]Are you honestly holding onto the hope that Hillary will be indicted for anything, especially after the POTUS endorsed her?[/QUOTE]
They're mad that the last guy got off scot free, so it's certainly not impossible for them to go after her. They already have spent months on this, so they need something to show for it.
Happening levels: ??????????
[url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-vice-president-224134[/url]
[quote]Hillary Clinton on Thursday said she has no doubt that Sen. Elizabeth Warren would be qualified to serve as her vice president — but she refused to say the same of Bernie Sanders.
"I have the highest regard for Sen. Warren," she said in an interview with POLITICO. "I think she is an incredible public servant, eminently qualified for any role. I look forward to working with her on behalf of not only the campaign and her very effective critique of Trump, but also on the issues that she and I both care about."
...
In the interview with POLITICO, Clinton appeared less open to the idea of Sanders on the ticket. "I think he has contributed greatly to the campaign," she demurred when asked if he had earned a place on the ticket. "His passions for the issues that he promoted has been good for the Democratic party and for the country. I look forward to talking with him when our campaigns can find a time that works with both our schedules."[/quote]
[QUOTE=NiandraLades;50485393]Between this, 'describe your student debt in three emojis' and that tweet with the GIF of her with a smug face and colourful background, she just might be the cringiest person ever[/QUOTE]
Her Twitter account reminds me of the Denny's Tumblr.. Extremely transparent attempts at making a corporation (or a woman who may as well be one in all facets of personality and character) look hip through forced memes and a perspective on millennials that is disconnected from reality.
[editline]9th June 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=smurfy;50485582]Happening levels: ??????????
[url]http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/hillary-clinton-elizabeth-warren-vice-president-224134[/url][/QUOTE]
I don't know why people were expecting a Sanders VP in the first place.. Sanders is ideologically opposed to Clinton in a lot of ways and even if Clinton decided she wanted Sanders on the ticket to win over Sanders voters, I doubt Sanders would compromise his character and work alongside somebody as deplorable as her. I guess there was the possibility he would accept the VP slot despite having to work with Clinton so that he could have some semblance of influence over policy (VP is better than nothing?), but still, it always seemed like a ridiculous scenario.
[QUOTE=srobins;50485650]Her Twitter account reminds me of the Denny's Tumblr.. Extremely transparent attempts at making a corporation (or a woman who may as well be one in all facets of personality and character) look hip through forced memes and a perspective on millennials that is disconnected from reality.
[editline]9th June 2016[/editline]
I don't know why people were expecting a Sanders VP in the first place.. Sanders is ideologically opposed to Clinton in a lot of ways and even if Clinton decided she wanted Sanders on the ticket to win over Sanders voters, I doubt Sanders would compromise his character and work alongside somebody as deplorable as her. I guess there was the possibility he would accept the VP slot despite having to work with Clinton so that he could have some semblance of influence over policy (VP is better than nothing?), but still, it always seemed like a ridiculous scenario.[/QUOTE]
He said he would previously if it came to it, so it's not ruled out. I posted a topic on it like a month ago.
All I can think when I watch this is, what if Bernie had overtaken Clinton in Iowa? What if he had beaten her in Nevada? Over the course of this campaign there have been so many nail-biting moments, moments when I held my breath and wanted to believe that we could stop this crazy cycle and elect someone who truly cares about us.
Good try, everyone. Maybe next time.
[QUOTE=srobins;50485650]Her Twitter account reminds me of the Denny's Tumblr.. Extremely transparent attempts at making a corporation (or a woman who may as well be one in all facets of personality and character) look hip through forced memes and a perspective on millennials that is disconnected from reality.[/QUOTE]
this is legitimately insulting to the denny's tumblr. They have fun with the stupid things they post and don't care about trends so much as just posting goofy content. Other brands fall flat on their faces so badly when trying to mimic it, and even those usually don't hit such bad notes as hillary trying to be hip with the kids
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50485447]that is not anywhere close to anything that Trump has suggested
I mean, yeah, we might pull out of Korea and Japan. Thank god too, I was sick of seeing the coffins return from the deadly Japanese front. But he's made it explicitly clear that he wants to be more involved with the war against ISIS, not less.
And why the fuck should we be friends with Russia? They fucking annexed Crimea. They're funding a civil war in Ukraine. If anything we should be opposing them now more than ever.[/QUOTE]
Trump has recently changed his foreign policy a bit and is less 'I'm going to bomb the shit out of them' and more America-first stuff like:
- NATO is out of date, needs to be retooled against islamic terrorism, and basically be less of an atlantic-oriented anti-russian alliance that doesn't necessarily serve American (or European for that matter) interests
- focus on containing islamism and do not build western-style democracy in the middle east (maybe we can stop overthrowing secular arab nationalists now)
In unusual contrast, our center left in the form of Obama and Clinton are hawkish. They want sunni popular majorities to overthrow anti-western arab nationalists like Qaddafi and Assad, liberalizing economically, creating a saudi-led bloc against Iran, and stabilizing the middle east which affects markets. They want nationalists in eastern europe to do a number of things for what basically boils down to money:
1. reign in pro-russian minorities (i.e. south ossetia and donbas) opposed to NATO membership and neoliberalism, which threatens jobs and native industry (tooled for a less globalized, insulated soviet era). They also practice a culture that, in response to the 90s, is more positive about the USSR and Russia's illiberal past, which naturally puts them at odds with the 'democracy' we are peddling in the area through the National Endowment for Democracy, color revolutions, neoconservatives like Bernard Henri-Levi and John McCain, liberal interventionists/hawks like Obama and Clinton, and of course loan debt.
2. commit to the EU as a fundamentally pro-US/NATO bloc that'll always be for greater integration and the current direction of the EU. That ultimately means finalizing the snubbing of Russia as an outsider 'Eurasian' country and simultaneously rendering it harmless as such by bypassing through former soviet republics on a globally-minded new silk road to China, building missile shields, and making liberalism and democracy a 'European' value not a 'Russian' one (continuing the east-west divide the east will only lose again in).
3. kick the Russians out of one of two warm-water ports (the other being in Syria which we we're working on), kick them out of their army bases outside of Russia like in south ossetia and transnistria, which freeze conflicts that would end in a democratic, Western victory and put the country on a path towards greater integration with the west, liberalization, and NATO membership
4. Best case scenario Belarus sees the writing on the wall and/or Russia comes under the control of pro-west liberals (now anti-Putin) again, or just fragments
Trump in contrast to this shit is amazing. He's not a liberal internationalist on an ideological quest, he's only about the interests of our people and as such he reflects our massive inertia towards war and exporting of western values (to anywhere, be it in the middle east or russia). Clinton on the other hand will put us on a warpath with Russia and then do nothing to improve the lot of vets that come home. He's not a globalist and he understands nationalists that don't appreciate the US vision for the world, which is why Putin likes him, he peddles himself as a negotiator and peace being a first instinct.
[QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;50485360][media]https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/740973710593654784[/media]
Is she trying to be in with the hip interweb crowd? Next she'll tweet "kys."[/QUOTE]
Hillary Clinton is not writing her own tweets dude, she's got someone who does that for her. Every candidate has a 20 something year old with a degree in communications doing their social media shit for them
[QUOTE=Conscript;50485827]Trump has recently changed his foreign policy a bit and is less 'I'm going to bomb the shit out of them' and more America-first stuff like:
- NATO is out of date, needs to be retooled against islamic terrorism, and basically be less of an atlantic-oriented anti-russian alliance that doesn't necessarily serve American (or European for that matter) interests
- focus on containing islamism and do not build western-style democracy in the middle east (maybe we can stop overthrowing secular arab nationalists now)
In unusual contrast, our center left in the form of Obama and Clinton are hawkish. They want sunni popular majorities to overthrow anti-western arab nationalists like Qaddafi and Assad, liberalizing economically, creating a saudi-led bloc against Iran, and stabilizing the middle east which affects markets. They want nationalists in eastern europe to do a number of things for what basically boils down to money:
1. reign in pro-russian minorities (i.e. south ossetia and donbas) opposed to NATO membership and neoliberalism, which threatens jobs and native industry (tooled for a less globalized, insulated soviet era). They also practice a culture that, in response to the 90s, is more positive about the USSR and Russia's illiberal past, which naturally puts them at odds with the 'democracy' we are peddling in the area through the National Endowment for Democracy, color revolutions, neoconservatives like Bernard Henri-Levi and John McCain, liberal interventionists/hawks like Obama and Clinton, and of course loan debt.
2. commit to the EU as a fundamentally pro-US/NATO bloc that'll always be for greater integration and the current direction of the EU. That ultimately means finalizing the snubbing of Russia as an outsider 'Eurasian' country and simultaneously rendering it harmless as such by bypassing through former soviet republics on a globally-minded new silk road to China, building missile shields, and making liberalism and democracy a 'European' value not a 'Russian' one (continuing the east-west divide the east will only lose again in).
3. kick the Russians out of one of two warm-water ports (the other being in Syria which we we're working on), kick them out of their army bases outside of Russia like in south ossetia and transnistria, which freeze conflicts that would end in a democratic, Western victory and put the country on a path towards greater integration with the west, liberalization, and NATO membership
4. Best case scenario Belarus sees the writing on the wall and/or Russia comes under the control of pro-west liberals (now anti-Putin) again, or just fragments
Trump in contrast to this shit is amazing[/QUOTE]
Trump changed his foreign policy from "idk just whatever shit comes to my mind" to "deliver a speech my advisors wrote, make sure to pronounce the big words right"
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50485868]Hillary Clinton is not writing her own tweets dude, she's got someone who does that for her. Every candidate has a 20 something year old with a degree in communications doing their social media shit for them[/QUOTE]
I get that dude. "She" is mostly a proxy for "She and her people." I'm not crazy enough to think she sits around tweeting throughout the day. Her people do represent her though, and she no doubt wants to hit the young crowd with stuff like this.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50485872]Trump changed his foreign policy from "idk just whatever shit comes to my mind" to "deliver a speech my advisors wrote, make sure to pronounce the big words right"[/QUOTE]
Well, maybe. He's definitely being influenced by an alternative right wing, I remember him saying (about his ideas) it's something bigger than him or to that effect. He's also aware of /pol/.
I think he evolved in his populism from some basic pro-israel neocon second coming of reagan bullshit to a legitimately nationalist foreign policy that's uniquely American and has more to do with the public in the 30s than the 80s.
[QUOTE=smurfy;50485304]The campaign begins
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/740972317191352320[/media]
[media]https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/740973710593654784[/media][/QUOTE]
It'd be funny if he responded by saying something like:
"[I]Unlike you, I don't carelessly delete things. 30000 deleted emails under FBI investigation![/I]"
I wouldn't be surprised if he did respond with something like that.
It's a shame that now we'll never get Bernie with Killer Mike as VP unless Hillary dies or something.
[QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;50485901]I get that dude. "She" is mostly a proxy for "She and her people." I'm not crazy enough to think she sits around tweeting throughout the day. Her people do represent her though, and she no doubt wants to hit the young crowd with stuff like this.[/QUOTE]
Well yeah, no shit, every politician does it. Sanders does it too with all their hashtags and shit
[editline]9th June 2016[/editline]
like [url]http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/17/politics/bernie-sanders-run-the-jewels-coachella/[/url]
[QUOTE=Conscript;50485903]Well, maybe. He's definitely being influenced by an alternative right wing, I remember him saying (about his ideas) it's something bigger than him or to that effect. He's also aware of /pol/.
I think he evolved in his populism from some basic pro-israel neocon second coming of reagan bullshit to a legitimately nationalist foreign policy that's uniquely American and has more to do with the public in the 30s than the 80s.[/QUOTE]
"Evolved" is a pretty generous word for it.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;50485388]Oh look, just another reason for me to vote Trump. I'll probably vote some Democrat-NPL folks in North Dakota, as they tend to just be Republican lite, and support gun rights, on the other hand though, I will never vote Democrat on the national level. With the gun control rhetoric, constantly hawking dirty wars in the middle east, and pissing off our East European allies... It just would be counter-productive for a lot of the things I believe in.[/QUOTE]
"Hawking Dirty Wars" as far as I remember Bush pushed strongly to invade Iraq with his proof of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Still waiting for those to materialize by the way.
[QUOTE=Saxon;50486037]"Hawking Dirty Wars" as far as I remember Bush pushed strongly to invade Iraq with his proof of "Weapons of Mass Destruction" Still waiting for those to materialize by the way.[/QUOTE]
I mean beyond the two Bush presidents, no Republican president has gone to war in the last 26 years. It's the democrats I tell you.
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50486124]I mean beyond the two Bush presidents, no Republican president has gone to war in the last 26 years. It's the democrats I tell you.[/QUOTE]
The bushes were the ONLY republican presidents in the last 26 years
Or was that sarcasm
[QUOTE=proboardslol;50486139]The bushes were the ONLY republican presidents in the last 26 years
Or was that sarcasm[/QUOTE]
If we suppose for a moment that I'm not retarded, the answer should be fairly obvious. Of course that's not necessarily a reasonable assumption these days.
[QUOTE=usaokay;50485239]Clinton directly works with Obama.
Of course there will be some bias.[/QUOTE]
I mean he is also the incumbent Democratic president and Clinton is the presumptive Democratic nominee after winning the Democratic primary. I don't really think it has anything to do with bias; if Sanders won he would be endorsing him.
[QUOTE=Durandal;50485907]It'd be funny if he responded by saying something like:
"[I]Unlike you, I don't carelessly delete things. 30000 deleted emails under FBI investigation![/I]"
I wouldn't be surprised if he did respond with something like that.[/QUOTE]
Well, you were right about that one.
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/741007091947556864[/media]
[QUOTE=Jordax;50486267]Well, you were right about that one.
[media]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/741007091947556864[/media][/QUOTE]
Good attempt, clumsy execution, 5/10.
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