Female accused of sexual violence after world hails iconic photo of her kissing Italian riot officer
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You have tried your darnest to prove that molotovs are somehow non-lethal even though it's literally a portable fireball and yet you are still having a creepy fixation on the lethality of CS gas
Do I feel some irony going through or just some utter hypocrisy
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43276659]
they are mostly a tool to try and contain police aggression and hopefully push them back away from the protest a little bit so people can reorganize.[/QUOTE]
I'm just gonna skip on your complete disconnect from the reality of improvised napalm bombs to ask you; do you know the difference between 'protest' and 'riot'?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43276950]"In Israel, CS gas was reported to be the cause of death of Jawaher Abu Rahmah on 31 December 2010,[12] although the Israel Defense Forces have questioned the veracity of the report. Other reports[13] suggest the cause of death was in fact the impact of a high-velocity CS gas canister to the chest. In Egypt, CS gas was reported to be the cause of death of several protesters in Mohamed Mahmoud Street near Tahrir square during the November 2011 protests."
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CS_gas[/url]
[editline]23rd December 2013[/editline]
the previous paragraph states:
"When CS is metabolised, cyanide can be detected in human tissue.[11] According to the United States Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine, CS emits "very toxic fumes" when heated to decomposition, and at specified concentrations CS gas is an immediate danger to life and health. They also state that those exposed to CS gas should seek medical attention immediately.[2]"
[editline]23rd December 2013[/editline]
so much for non-lethal, eh?[/QUOTE]
[quote]The chemical reacts with moisture on the skin and in the eyes, causing a burning sensation and the immediate forceful and uncontrollable shutting of the eyes. Effects usually include tears streaming from the eyes, profuse coughing, exceptional nasal discharge that is full of mucus, burning in the eyes, eyelids, nose and throat areas, disorientation, dizziness and restricted breathing. It will also burn the skin where sweaty and/or sunburned. In highly concentrated doses it can also induce severe coughing and vomiting. Almost all of the immediate effects wear off within an hour (such as exceptional nasal discharge and profuse coughing), although the feeling of burning and highly irritated skin may persist for hours.[/quote]
From the same page. Getting shot directly with the canister isn't normal. "being heated to decomposition" doesn't sound like something that happens a lot either.
[QUOTE=Riller;43277038]I'm just gonna skip on your complete disconnect from the reality of improvised napalm bombs to ask you; do you know the difference between 'protest' and 'riot'?[/QUOTE]
for him there's no difference
anarchy 2014
Adding to this, is flipping and burning cars, smashing windows, tearing up roads, defacing statues and public property and looting stores a 'protest'?
this is not "non-lethal" protest dispersal.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qP02uHgzgsw[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YXTYhVxUsE[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8KcQhLQCwU[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6qpYliAjXY[/media]
[editline]23rd December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Riller;43277038]I'm just gonna skip on your complete disconnect from the reality of improvised napalm bombs to ask you; do you know the difference between 'protest' and 'riot'?[/QUOTE]
a riot is a protest the police have tried to stomp out.
Guys, just report the shitposting and møve on.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277061]this is not "non-lethal" protest dispersal.
-videos-[/QUOTE]
Uhm, yeah? It's non-lethal; no one is killed or hurt, and it's an effort to disperse the riots. Fits both criteria there. Shootin' your own foot, sweetcheeks. It's not even that effective in those videos.
just gonna point out that that lovely article you sourced from the army medical center
Hazardous Decomposition: When [B][I][U]heated[/U][/I][/B] to decomposition, CS emits very toxic fumes
2-chlorobenzalmalononitrile isn't deployed by heating it up, it's dissolved in a volatile solvent that evaporates easily
tbh i'd rather have that than, say, being set on fire for instance
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277061]this is not "non-lethal" protest dispersal.
[editline]23rd December 2013[/editline]
a riot is a protest the police have tried to stomp out.[/QUOTE]
[quote]Noun
lethality (plural lethalities)
the fact of something being lethal; the ability of something to kill[/quote]
I didn't see anyone getting killed in those videos, looks pretty non-lethal to me.
[QUOTE=Riller;43277088]Uhm, yeah? It's non-lethal; no one is killed or hurt, and it's an effort to disperse the riots. Fits both criteria there. Shootin' your own foot, sweetcheeks. It's not even that effective in those videos.[/QUOTE]
ok then a molotov is a non-lethal police dispersal method as well.
yawmwen
were you always anti-police and an anarchist
or did you become this after being in jail
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277114]ok then a molotov is a non-lethal police dispersal method as well.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=1chains1;43276923]The below links are NSFW and are the effects of people who got hit by a molotov.
[URL]http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f149/426671d1359819413-molotov-cocktail-burns-molotov-20cocktail-20burns..jpg[/URL]
[URL]http://www.usislam.org/debate/18a.jpg[/URL]
[IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01629/policeman-burning_1629960i.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://webby.com/humor/i/Greece2-26-11.jpg[/IMG]
Good thing that guy has a helmet that protects him from flames...oh wait.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry Yawmen but at this point all I can say is that you are completely disconnected from reality and that you may want to move your ass out of that armchair for even a day.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277114]ok then a molotov is a non-lethal police dispersal method as well.[/QUOTE]
no because CS all over your clothes -> hurts like hell
jellied gasoline all over your clothes -> you will most certainly be dead or permanently damaged
just grab your burning clothes and take em off!! yea obviously. under no circumstances can tear gas ever become more lethal than molotovs
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277114]ok then a molotov is a non-lethal police dispersal method as well.[/QUOTE]
I hate to tell you but fire kills people.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;43277119]yawmwen
were you always anti-police and an anarchist
or did you become this after being in jail[/QUOTE]
i became an anarchist when i realized that it's hypocritical to oppose violence while at the same time giving police the power to murder people.
[editline]23rd December 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Midas22;43277153]I hate to tell you but fire kills people.[/QUOTE]
molotovs rarely do though
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277162]i became an anarchist when i realized that it's hypocritical to oppose violence while at the same time giving police the power to murder people.
[/QUOTE]
I think there are a lot of dickbag officers but you're using a false equivalency.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277162]i became an anarchist when i realized that it's hypocritical to oppose violence while at the same time giving police the power to murder people.[/QUOTE]
was this before or after you stabbed somebody in a drunken stupor which got you cuffed by a cop
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277162]
molotovs rarely do though[/QUOTE]
Maybe they don't but those pictures that Chains and JustGman posted? Teargas and mace don't do that.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277114]ok then a molotov is a non-lethal police dispersal method as well.[/QUOTE]
no because people have been seriously injured and you ignoring that is proof you're just selectively viewing evidence.
[QUOTE=1chains1;43276923]The below links are NSFW and are the effects of people who got hit by a molotov.
[URL]http://www.documentingreality.com/forum/attachments/f149/426671d1359819413-molotov-cocktail-burns-molotov-20cocktail-20burns..jpg[/URL]
[URL]http://www.usislam.org/debate/18a.jpg[/URL]
[IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01629/policeman-burning_1629960i.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://webby.com/humor/i/Greece2-26-11.jpg[/IMG]
Good thing that guy has a helmet that protects him from flames...oh wait.[/QUOTE]
just gonna post this again even though its been posted twice because yawmwen is clearly missing this somehow
also going to throw in
[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gvMCa5VCcRA/TdpPfeohdxI/AAAAAAAABak/V6KAOhSw_CU/s1600/policeman.jpg[/IMG]
look at this policeman being non-lethally dispersed
Freedom has to come with boundaries because without boundaries there is no freedom at all, only the tyranny of the individual under the threat of constant harm.
You have to entrust some people with the ability to restrain others because if this didn't exist then everyone would just fucking murder each other for no reason. Sorry to burst your little bubble of anarchist utopia but if you give a man complete and utter freedom the first thing he'll try to do is abuse it thoroughly.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43277218]Freedom has to come with boundaries because without boundaries there is no freedom at all, only the tyranny of the individual under the threat of constant harm.
You have to entrust some people with the ability to restrain others because if this didn't exist then everyone would just fucking murder each other for no reason. Sorry to burst your little bubble of anarchist utopia but if you give a man complete and utter freedom the first thing he'll try to do is abuse it thoroughly.[/QUOTE]
nah, humans are more empathetic and willing to work together more than you think
but anarchism in general is fucking stupid because it doesn't make sense
no matter how big or small, enlightened or stupid, there will always be an authority and a type of system in place that lets an individual, minority, or majority hold power over you
it has that for a reason
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;43277201]just gonna post this again even though its been posted twice because yawmwen is clearly missing this somehow
also going to throw in
-hellrider.jpg-
look at this policeman being non-lethally dispersed[/QUOTE]
Look at all those poor innocent civilians being oppressed by the corrupt government.
[t]http://i.imgur.com/RuyWK.jpg[/t]
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;43277237]nah, humans are more empathetic and willing to work together more than you think[/quote]
For every hundred compelling human beings you'll have one guy who alone can fuck everything up.
Rules are here to make sure as much of these potential fuck-ups as possible are never able to fuck everything up and ruin everything for everyone.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43277246]For every hundred compelling human beings you'll have one guy who alone can fuck everything up.[/QUOTE]
and then that guy will be taken care of, by an individual, minority, or a majority group that has [I]authority[/I] over that dude fucking something up though
its not as if that one dude is superman is he
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;43277218]Freedom has to come with boundaries because without boundaries there is no freedom at all[/QUOTE]
tyranny is freedom. ignorance is knowledge. police are our friends.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;43277201]just gonna post this again even though its been posted twice because yawmwen is clearly missing this somehow
also going to throw in
[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gvMCa5VCcRA/TdpPfeohdxI/AAAAAAAABak/V6KAOhSw_CU/s1600/policeman.jpg[/IMG]
look at this policeman being non-lethally dispersed[/QUOTE]
boo hoo he might get his clothes dirty.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43277185]no because people have been seriously injured and you ignoring that is proof you're just selectively viewing evidence.[/QUOTE]
yea because people have been seriously injured(by police methods) and you ignoring that is proof that you're just selectively viewing evidence.
[QUOTE=Midas22;43277176]Maybe they don't but those pictures that Chains and JustGman posted? Teargas and mace don't do that.[/QUOTE]
yea the deaths by teargas or police baton are a whole lot less spectacular.
[QUOTE=lolwutdude;43277173]was this before or after you stabbed somebody in a drunken stupor which got you cuffed by a cop[/QUOTE]
approx. year later.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;43277260]
approx. year later.[/QUOTE]
i think i found out the reason why you're so anti-police
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