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[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278259]this is possible in small towns, and sometimes police become a very beloved and integral part of communities they exist in. i have lived in both small towns and big cities and i can assure you that while this is possible in a small town it is not in a big city.[/QUOTE] so then an anarchist world requires the destruction of cities and the restructuring to rural and agrarian towns nation wide let's not bring up how this would cause a massive and devastating food shortage that would kill a gross amount of people

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278259]this is possible in small towns, and sometimes police become a very beloved and integral part of communities they exist in. i have lived in both small towns and big cities and i can assure you that while this is possible in a small town it is not in a big city.[/QUOTE] a collective, integrated commune is also not possible in bigger societies - this is a fundamental problem with a sense of community and "closeness", not a problem with the societal model

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43278279]so then an anarchist world requires the destruction of cities and the restructuring to rural and agrarian towns nation wide[/QUOTE] no it is about restructuring the social relationships in cities so that communities become responsible for themselves.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278259]this is possible in small towns, and sometimes police become a very beloved and integral part of communities they exist in. i have lived in both small towns and big cities and i can assure you that while this is possible in a small town it is not in a big city.[/QUOTE] The same way that in big cities you're more likely to find corrupt doctors, lawyers, shop keepers etc. Law of numbers, the larger the population the more corrupt people there are. However, this isn't an argument in whether corruption stems from current political system, but a look into the complex cultural system in which humans socially interract in, regardless of what political power is currently in act.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278296]no it is about restructuring the social relationships in cities so that communities become responsible for themselves.[/QUOTE] but as you said cities, it's not possible in. that's due to size and scale and crowd mentality. not due to democracy or fascism and would exist all the same in an anarcho society

[QUOTE=Juniez;43278292]a collective, integrated commune is also not possible in bigger societies - this is a fundamental problem with a sense of community and "closeness", not a problem with the societal model[/QUOTE] a collective integrated commune is not possible, but a collection of smaller integrated communes is certainly possible. [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43278303]but as you said cities, it's not possible in. that's due to size and scale and crowd mentality. not due to democracy or fascism and would exist all the same in an anarcho society[/QUOTE] i said that police aren't possible in big cities because they don't become a force of the community they supposedly serve. they are an outside force pushing into communities. you can change this by organizing communities, abolishing police, and allowing the communities to take on safety as their own responsibility.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278304]a collective integrated commune is not possible, but a collection of smaller integrated communes is certainly possible.[/QUOTE] until any one of those 'smaller integrated communes' differ enough to cause a conflict

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278304]a collective integrated commune is not possible, but a collection of smaller integrated communes is certainly possible. [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] i said that police aren't possible in big cities because they don't become a force of the community they supposedly serve. they are an outside force pushing into communities. you can change this by organizing communities, abolishing police, and allowing the communities to take on safety as their own responsibility.[/QUOTE] there's so many problems with that

[QUOTE=Juniez;43278319]until any one of those 'smaller integrated communes' differ enough to cause a conflict[/QUOTE] ideally our mentality would shift enough through this decentralization that more people take a "live and let live" attitude towards groupings of people that aren't similar to them.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278328]ideally our mentality would shift enough through this decentralization that more people take a "live and let live" attitude towards groupings of people that aren't similar to them.[/QUOTE] "ideally" never happens though - what are you going to do then - kill them for trying to oppress you? keep in mind that in their eyes, you're the oppressors. then it comes down to the simple fact that the strongest wins and lol

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278304]you can change this by organizing communities, abolishing police, and allowing the communities to take on safety as their own responsibility.[/QUOTE] We have gated communites and neighbourhood watch groups. We all know how well those turn out.

[QUOTE=Juniez;43278340]"ideally" never happens though[/QUOTE] we might not live in an ideal world but we can try our best to move towards the ideal solution.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278375]we might not live in an ideal world but we can try our best to move towards [b]the ideal solution.[/b][/QUOTE] This is where your argument falls flat on its face. This is your interpretation of the ideal solution. What happens when someone else has an interpretation that's different than yours? What happens when groups have different interpretations? What do we do then? Then is when the democratic system steps in.

[QUOTE=RetaDepa;43278386] Then is when the democratic system steps in.[/QUOTE] But muh anarchy is the best direct implementation of democracy! When no one rules the people decide everything and everyone is happy!

I think yawmen thinks that every person is literally the same. Everyone has the same high intelligence and acts accordingly by doing smart things like cooperating to reach a goal. But problem is, people are not equal. (And now don´t explode and scream that I am a misogynist and racist for saying this, what matters isn´t that people are not equal, but that they have equal rights under the law and are not discriminated against based on said differences) Anarchism is stupid, you wanna get rid of wages and money? Look at how the soviet union turned out to be. It was shit. And it would be even more shit if you get rid of state and law. A few people may be smart, but mankind as a whole is a giant dumb animal acting on instincts. You wouldn´t get anything organized that is state funded nowadays. Who repairs streets? The infrastructure? You couldn´t do any meaning full research because you simply wouldn´t get the resources. A lot of research centers get to research stuff by using material produced by capitalistic motivated companies. You would lose your valuable computer, the internet, everything that makes it possible for you to post your distorted views on facepunch. The technology we have today was produced by the long social and industrial evolution of mankind. Basicly, this is yawman in a nutshell: [video=youtube;fibDNwF8bjs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fibDNwF8bjs[/video]

In a nutshell: Anarchy will never work due to the fact it focuses on freedom of the individual. No individuals are the same and thus you do not have a homogenised system to work from.

[QUOTE=RetaDepa;43278386] Then is when the democratic system steps in.[/QUOTE] yea and that's why i think we need a democratic system. [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=RetaDepa;43278414]In a nutshell: Anarchy will never work due to the fact it focuses on freedom of the individual. No individuals are the same and thus you do not have a homogenised system to work from.[/QUOTE] as an anarcho-communist, i am an individualist/collectivist. i believe in democratic collectivization and the best way to achieve democratic collectivization is through the empowerment of the individual.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278296]no it is about restructuring the social relationships in cities so that communities become responsible for themselves.[/QUOTE] Except cities have so many people in such a tiny space that the changes social relationships. Communities exists, they are responsible, but they are integraly different to smaller communities. You can't really change these dynamics.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43278518]yea and that's why i think we need a democratic system. [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] as an anarcho-communist, i am an individualist/collectivist. i believe in democratic collectivization and the best way to achieve democratic collectivization is through the empowerment of the individual.[/QUOTE] But in a democratic society the individual doesn´t have much power. Besides the one guy on top (which isn´t really true because in the USA for example the congress holds most power, which consist of more people) which you are so vehemently against. [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] You can´t be individualist and collectivist at the same time. Look at the definition: Collectivism is a basic cultural element that exists as the reverse of individualism in human nature.

democracy doesn't necessarily have to be one guy or guys on top you know

You are totally insane. I always wondered why you don´t capitalize correctly in your posts, and I stumbled upon one of your replies that you are against all forms of capitalism including capitalization of words. [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Lachz0r;43278624]democracy doesn't necessarily have to be one guy or guys on top you know[/QUOTE] Yeah, but taking 300 million people in account on every issue tends to slow social progress to a halt. You elect one guy who represents you the best to pass laws quickly. Tell me one nation which is democratic and doesn´t have a leader.

[QUOTE=SuddenImpact;43278630]You are totally insane. I always wondered why you don´t capitalize correctly in your posts, and I stumbled upon one of your replies that you are against all forms of capitalism including capitalization of words. [/QUOTE] lol [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SuddenImpact;43278630]You are totally insane. I always wondered why you don´t capitalize correctly in your posts, and I stumbled upon one of your replies that you are against all forms of capitalism including capitalization of words. [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] Yeah, but taking 300 million people in account on every issue tends to slow social progress to a halt. You elect one guy who represents you the best to pass laws quickly. Tell me one nation which is democratic and doesn´t have a leader.[/QUOTE] just because there isn't doesn't mean there can't be. the idea of power being held by a single person is archaic as hell

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43257533]being a cop isn't a job. it's a full-time career as class traitor. if he didn't like the idea of busting skulls and playing babysitter for protesters he wouldn't have signed on as a police officer. [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("This bad posting has gone long enough." - Craptasket))[/highlight][/QUOTE] 1 retard down, only 999 left to go.

Fucking finally.

[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;43278808]1 retard down, only 999 left to go.[/QUOTE] [Del]retard[/del] dumbass*

rip in pieces scumlord

cue the celebration posts from people who start these arguments and never have anything of substance to say and instead just resort to insults to get their points across. grow up

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43278867]cue the celebration posts from people who start these arguments and never have anything of substance to say and instead just resort to insults to get their points across. grow up[/QUOTE] well no, he can't celebrate cause he's permabanned now :v:

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43278658]lol [editline]23rd December 2013[/editline] [/QUOTE] This wasn´t directed at you, but at yamwmen. Sorry if you thought this. I couldn´t edit my post.

[QUOTE=Lachz0r;43278867]cue the celebration posts from people who start these arguments and never have anything of substance to say and instead just resort to insults to get their points across. grow up[/QUOTE] Are you seriously agreeing with him?