Female accused of sexual violence after world hails iconic photo of her kissing Italian riot officer - Polidicks

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43257533]being a cop isn't a job. it's a full-time career as class traitor.[/QUOTE] What the fuck am I reading?

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43257516]This is the biggest problem with large elements of the feminist movement. Imagine how the comments would be different if it was a female cop and a male protester.[/QUOTE] I for one don't think that this particular double standard (eg boy kisses girl is more inappropriate than vice versa) is terrifically bad for anything.

[QUOTE=Quiet;43257546]What the fuck am I reading?[/QUOTE] The words of an average left-winger socialist.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43257533]being a cop isn't a job. it's a full-time career as class traitor. if he didn't like the idea of busting skulls and playing babysitter for protesters he wouldn't have signed on as a police officer.[/QUOTE] A class traitor? You think all cops "like the idea of busting skulls"? Come on now, Really? That is both insensitive and hateful, and incredibly stupid. Wait until someone is breaking into your house, then tell the cops who show up how much you hate them.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];43257487']It is a feminist issue though, we are pointing out that this image would definitely not have been hailed as peaceful protest if it was a man doing these things. Could you imagine it? Honestly you are delusional if you disagree with that.[/QUOTE] you have 0 proof of that and calling me delusional doesn't convince anyone except people who already agree with you in the first place. [QUOTE='[sluggo];43257487']If you actually supported equality, then you would realize that discrimination is a two way street. Seems to me like you think it only exists in one direction.[/QUOTE] if the implication is that i don't actually support equality then refer to a previous post i made in this thread where i think the charge would be ridiculous no matter what the gender is. stop accusing me of things. [editline]20th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=yawmwen;43257533]being a cop isn't a job. it's a full-time career as class traitor. if he didn't like the idea of busting skulls and playing babysitter for protesters he wouldn't have signed on as a police officer.[/QUOTE] darling i like your guts but not your timing lol

[Sp]In this thread: Starpluck versus mod Max's pet.[/sp] It seems pretty cut and dry. Arguing that this wasn't inappropriate seems to be…pointless.

[QUOTE=thisispain;43257483]ok ill concede that common sense on facepunch maybe dictates something based on ratings if you really want to say that. it's still not an argument that works when you want to make a point about "gender equality" or whatever you or someone else were trying to make. and no i'm saying that the gender reversed situation is made up, it's literally a fantasy not rooted in reality.[/QUOTE] are you really telling me most of the people you've talked to in your day-to-day life haven't given you an idea as to how they'd react to this situation, and to the hypotetical situation where a man does the same thing this woman did? if you truly believe the majority of people react the exact same way to different sexes committing acts of sexual violence, you're either living in a perfect town, or delusional

the irony is that im insulted now, then accused of being mean later

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43257533]being a cop isn't a job. it's a full-time career as class traitor. if he didn't like the idea of busting skulls and playing babysitter for protesters he wouldn't have signed on as a police officer.[/QUOTE] Fuck Yeah! Now here's the kind of anARchy I was looking for. What are you guys. Liking cops. You must be PUSSIES

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;43257549]I for one don't think that this particular double standard (eg boy kisses girl is more inappropriate than vice versa) is terrifically bad for anything.[/QUOTE] All double standards are negative. This one in particular shows a larger overall trend that even pushes its way into the legal system.

[QUOTE=thisispain;43257559] darling i like your guts but not your timing lol[/QUOTE] It was the most on topic post so far. He atleast talked about cops. Everyone else is talking about their weird hypothetical feminist conspiracies.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43257580]are you really telling me most of the people you've talked to in your day-to-day life haven't given you an idea as to how they'd react to this situation, and to the hypotetical situation where a man does the same thing this woman did? if you truly believe the majority of people react the exact same way to different sexes committing acts of sexual violence, you're either living in a perfect town, or delusional[/QUOTE] i'm not going to make up imaginary people with imaginary opinions to support my hypothetical argument. if you'd really want me to i could ask a whole bunch of people what they think and i'll wager you their opinions are gonna vary.

[QUOTE=thisispain;43257559]you have 0 proof or that and calling me delusional doesn't convince anyone except people who already agree with you in the first place. if the implication is that i don't actually support equality then refer to a previous post i made in this thread where i think the charge would be ridiculous no matter what the gender is. stop accusing me of things.[/QUOTE] You have to use sense though. There is "no proof" of allot of things, but it's just common sense to figure out. I can't really argue with you on that aside from pointing that out. [quote]Miss De Chiffre said she also licked his helmet’s visor and touched her fingers to his lips.[/quote] sounds worthy of assault charges to me.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;43257587]It was the most on topic post so far. He atleast talked about cops. Everyone else is talking about their weird hypothetical feminist conspiracies.[/QUOTE] yawmwen once again shows the lucidity in absurdity. you can call him mad but who'd notice another mad man around here

[QUOTE=Appellation;43257570][Sp]In this thread: Starpluck versus mod Max's pet.[/sp] It seems pretty cut and dry. Arguing that this wasn't inappropriate seems to be…pointless.[/QUOTE] I think starpluck had enough sense to give up a while ago.

[QUOTE=Yahnich;43257591]sweetie she stuck her fingers in her mouth and pressed them against his lips, i'm pretty sure doing that to people is illegal[/QUOTE] I think it's kinda nasty but not really worth a sexual assault charge. If you disagree that's okay, I can see your viewpoint, but it'd be a hell of a stretch to say that my opinion is hypocritical because I'm actually a feminist and would totally love to see a male protester in jail if things were reversed.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];43257593']You have to use sense though. There is "no proof" of allot of things, but it's just common sense to figure out. I can't really argue with you on that aside from pointing that out. [/QUOTE] yea its a bullshit argument. common sense dictates that this isn't about feminist or equal rights, yet here you are dictating to me about equality.

[QUOTE=thisispain;43257590]i'm not going to make up imaginary people with imaginary opinions to support my hypothetical argument. if you'd really want me to i could ask a whole bunch of people what they think and i'll wager you their opinions are gonna vary.[/QUOTE] well if you really think i'm making up imaginary people in order to win internet arguments, then you come off as being more focused on your online reputation than on fixing real life problems as you preach

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43257586]All double standards are negative.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with that

[QUOTE=Yahnich;43257591]sweetie she stuck her fingers in her mouth and pressed them against his lips, i'm pretty sure doing that to people is illegal[/QUOTE] that's gross but i dont think it warrants a criminal charge in this situation.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;43257537]Cops have done me some solids and I'm not a wealthy elite.[/QUOTE] lucky you. for a lot of us, including me, that isn't true. oh wait there was that one time a cop was gracious enough to drive me to the hospital after getting my shit kicked in before they booked me. that was a solid, i think?

[QUOTE=thisispain;43257609]yea its a bullshit argument. common sense dictates that this isn't about feminist or equal rights, yet here you are dictating to me about equality.[/QUOTE] You refuse to admit your fault by denying any hypothetical statement, no matter how realistic it is. Refusing to admit that fits into your agenda, which in of itself denies equality.

[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;43257610]well if you really think i'm making up imaginary people in order to win internet arguments, then you come off as being more focused on your online reputation than on fixing real life problems as you preach[/QUOTE] feel free to think that, but there's utterly nothing else to say against the idea of common sense. im not gonna pretend a group of people agree with me in order to make my argument more authoritative, that's a fallacy.

[QUOTE=thisispain;43257626]that's gross but i dont think it warrants a criminal charge in this situation.[/QUOTE] It's Assault.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];43257637']You refuse to admit your fault by denying any hypothetical statement, no matter how realistic it is. Refusing to admit that fits into your agenda, which in of itself denies equality.[/QUOTE] ill admit that by your perspective and opinions its a realistic situation, and obviously we differ on perspectives and opinions. feel free to tell me about my agenda im all ears

Thisispain I know your motto is to argue based on disorganization and perpetually-moving goalposts, but you're really gonna have to make a static point here: Before this post below, feminism was never mentioned by I when you made this post. You alone brought up feminism and equal rights to the equation. [QUOTE=thisispain;43257308][B]sorry but considering youve talked about punching protesters under the guise of equal rights[/B] before its pretty easy for me to believe that the only reason youre calling this "molestation" is to make some easy and cheap argument[/QUOTE] [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1336661&p=43257396&viewfull=1#post43257396"]I respond accordingly[/URL] to your attempt to inject equal rights and then you reply: [QUOTE=thisispain;43257422]im really not interested in you defending that statement, its more that i think youre using this as a cheap argument about "the so-called champion of 'equal-rights'" feel free to prove me wrong but [B]by mentioning feminists and equal rights in contexts[/B] [B]completely absent of those things you're not helping your case [/B] this was a train link protest, not a feminist one. im accusing you of trying to start a shit-storm over feminism with something completely unrelated[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=thisispain;43257544][B]no this event had nothing to do with feminism. you turned it into a feminist argument[/B] along with the police union.[/QUOTE] Tpain: if feminism has nothing to do with the argument as you say, then don't bring it up in the first place?

[QUOTE=Elecbullet;43257618]I don't agree with that[/QUOTE] Give an example of a good double standard?

[QUOTE=Yahnich;43257641]i think it should warrant a criminal charge because that falls under harassment or whatever, i sure as fuck wouldn't appreciate it if it was legal for people to do that and things like it to me[/QUOTE] i dont think it was harassment because she wasnt aggressively trying to pressure anyone.

[QUOTE='[sluggo];43257637']You refuse to admit your fault by denying any hypothetical statement, no matter how realistic it is. Refusing to admit that fits into your agenda, which in of itself denies equality.[/QUOTE] considering how police get away beating the living shit out of protesters all the time i would say that the hypothetical situation isn't as clear cut as you might wanna try and sell it.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;43257649] Tpain: if feminism has nothing to do with the argument as you say, then don't bring it up in the first place?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Starpluck;43257297]I think the point DeathBeacon was trying to make was that had it been a dude molesting a chick, the same photo of that molestation wouldn't be hailed as iconic photo, globally. Obviously you [I]cannot prove[/I] that a photo of a dude molesting another chick wouldn't suddenly become an iconic global photo like this one, but it's pretty fucking reasonable to assume that a dude molesting a chick wouldn't be hailed as an iconic photo like this one. Saying otherwise is just plain mendacity. I personally believe that political message-crimes are morally exempt from 90% of today's crimes when executed correctly, arguably this photo too for example. But when she unnecessarily went out of her way to point out that there was no peaceful or political message behind it, she can just go fuck herself instead.[/QUOTE] you brought it up, not me. you're the one flipping genders to make a point about equality or whatever you are doing by calling it molestation.