Female accused of sexual violence after world hails iconic photo of her kissing Italian riot officer - Polidicks

[QUOTE=goldenbuttocks;43268946]it doesn't matter that she was a girl, she was forcibly spreading saliva onto a person she doesn't know with the intention of provoking them[/QUOTE] Do you have reading issues or did you purposefully ignore the part where I said "Obviously there shouldn't be a different reaction"? Admittedly I didn't literally say "between sexes", but it was pretty heavily implied, and what I meant, if you're still not sure!) thisispain has never said it matters that she was a girl either, by the way, he did say forcibly spreading saliva onto a police officer is OK though, which I don't agree with, but this was already in my post so what is actually your point?

[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43270902]For the love of keeping your blood pressure low, ignore his bullshit. Just point & laugh.[/QUOTE] Nono, I just want clarification. If he seriously thinks that, I can safely ignore him from now on on grounds of actual insanity and complete disconnect with reality.

[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43270874] Long story short, their "us versus them" attitudes brought this upon themselves. If they even [i]TRIED[/i] to stay civil then it would've never gone to hell like this.[/QUOTE] I'd hate to play for both sides here but that mentality can easily be applied to you. "Us vs Them" as a mentality for an argument is one that pretty much destroys any resolution or mutual understanding.

[QUOTE=mchapra;43270915]I'd hate to play for both sides here but that mentality can easily be applied to you. "Us vs Them" as a mentality for an argument is one that pretty much destroys any resolution or mutual understanding.[/QUOTE] Yeah, It's a slippery slope argument, but I tend to try and keep it short and simple. Sometimes a little bit too simple, but oh well...

[QUOTE=Riller;43270909]Nono, I just want clarification. If he seriously thinks that, I can safely ignore him from now on on grounds of actual insanity and complete disconnect with reality.[/QUOTE] I think he thinks that because his friends managed to light some low proof alcohol on fire and play around with it that is couldn't possibly be dangerous to engulf someone in flames. Or that somehow police using fire retardant materials in their riot gear somehow makes it okay or safe to engulf someone in flames?? I'm not sure.

[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;43270944] Or that somehow police using fire retardant materials in their riot gear somehow makes it okay or safe to engulf someone in flames?? I'm not sure.[/QUOTE] "It's okay to shoot patrol officers, they sometimes wear bulletproof vests!" But yeah. Molotov cocktails aren't non-lethal or less-than-lethal weapons. They're just ineffective when poorly made (Read: Only flammable liquid, no binding compound to make it sticky). When you light someone on fire, you are most certainly using a deadly weapon, something which the police doesn't do.

[QUOTE=mchapra;43270915]I'd hate to play for both sides here but that mentality can easily be applied to you. "Us vs Them" as a mentality for an argument is one that pretty much destroys any resolution or mutual understanding.[/QUOTE] The natural response to an "Us vs Them" mentality is an equally agressive response. Of course people that are against pain and co. are doing the same thing.

[QUOTE=Riller;43270959]"It's okay to shoot patrol officers, they sometimes wear bulletproof vests!"[/QUOTE] Considering he thought it was a good idea to throw molotovs at his friends I wouldn't be surprised if he thought that as well.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43270198]lol a molotov won't kill a riot cop. they get lit all the time. a molotov isn't even a particularly intimidating weapon. it's just easy to make. [editline]22nd December 2013[/editline] shit i got lit one time when me and a friend were fucking around throwing molotovs for fun.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is wrong with you?

[QUOTE=mchapra;43270560]because pain has never ever made his point without the condescending tone.[/QUOTE] I used to really dislike pain because of how hostile he often acts when arguing, but then I talked to him in some other part of FP where he was acting very friendly and helpful. I think that deep down he's got his heart in the right place, he's just terrible at getting his point across gracefully.

this is kind of a loose statement, but if she really had only kissed his visor, that would've been a pretty kind peaceful gesture [editline]22nd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Olanov;43271091]What the fuck is wrong with you?[/QUOTE] yawmwen is my favorite communist <3

[QUOTE=thisispain;43258063]like i said before, i dont care what the genders are, in this situation i dont think it warrants a criminal charge and i guess the itallian justice system agrees with me for the moment[/QUOTE] It does deserve a criminal charge. It doesn't really matter what you think, that's what the law says. What you think is important in a civil case, which this would be if it wasn't a criminal offence.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43270373]i never said it's not a big deal. it's one of the most powerful ways to express our dissatisfaction. but it's still nothing compared to the means police employ regularly.[/QUOTE] The police is charged of keeping order, that's why they are here at protests. This is also why protests (at least in France) are extremely regulated and must go through local administration so it has a specific place, time and duration to avoid things going out of hand. Wild protests are dispersed as fast as they appear because guess what ? Most people on earth DO NOT FIT your ideal representation of a protester and are here because they want to see blood and they want to steal shit. Most peaceful protests are guarded with a fucking legion of cops because there is ALWAYS some dickhead in the crowd who brought a couple friends and who are ready to throw molotovs and bricks at the police to stir shit up, effectively turning things into more of a riot, and then a violent uprising that has nothing to do with ideals. It's time for you to get your ass out of that armchair and realize that people are dicks and that the majority of people involved in riots (especially the ones that are solely aimed at the police) are NOT here to make a point. They are here to fuck shit up because that's what they like to do and because it gives them good occasions to make money. In France, there are a LOT of cases where some random well known criminal or an illegal immigrant walks around in town, gets stopped for a control by the police, and it turns into either the guy going REALLY violent or trying to run away like a retard and eventually get tackled by the police in his shitty attempt. Do you know what's the very first thing that happens in these situations ? A couple of people who are completely unrelated grab gasoline and start setting cars on fire, then throw molotov cocktails at random police officers until it turns into a city-wide riot of utter retards setting shit on fire and looting stuff from closed stores on the grounds that the police somehow screwed up an arrest, so an entire city must be burnt to the ground. But I guess it's okay because the police is used to it and is trained for it so random assholes can set private property and FUCKING BUSES FULL OF PEOPLE on fire.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43270198]lol a molotov won't kill a riot cop. they get lit all the time. a molotov isn't even a particularly intimidating weapon. it's just easy to make. [editline]22nd December 2013[/editline] shit i got lit one time when me and a friend were fucking around throwing molotovs for fun.[/QUOTE] jesus fucking christ you are one of the most toxic people i've had the displeasure of interacting with

[QUOTE=Simski;43271137]I used to really dislike pain because of how hostile he often acts when arguing, but then I talked to him in some other part of FP where he was acting very friendly and helpful. I think that deep down he's got his heart in the right place, he's just [I]terrible[/I] at getting his point across gracefully.[/QUOTE] Terrible is a understatement. Downright counter-productive seems more fitting. If what you are saying is true, then he's a prime example of [I]"if you don't have anything [/I][b]GOOD[/b][I] to say, then don't say anything at all"[/I] Or said in a slightly more poetic way: [I]To speak before you think, is like wiping your ass before you shit[/I]

[QUOTE=LarparNar;43270907]Do you have reading issues or did you purposefully ignore the part where I said "Obviously there shouldn't be a different reaction"? Admittedly I didn't literally say "between sexes", but it was pretty heavily implied, and what I meant, if you're still not sure!) thisispain has never said it matters that she was a girl either, by the way, he did say forcibly spreading saliva onto a police officer is OK though, which I don't agree with, but this was already in my post so what is actually your point?[/QUOTE] oh, sorry. misread your post. i agree with you

[QUOTE=wewt!;43271367] yawmwen is my favorite communist <3[/QUOTE] that's communo-anarchist to you!!!

[QUOTE=Keys;43257124]Not only that, but the girl said herself [u] it was not an act of peace [/u]. She had done it to provoke the officer. She also licked his helmet and touched his lips with her fingers. I guess she was pissed over seeing some other guy beaten.[/QUOTE] "Police brutality! He shoved me because I tried to put my dirty fingers in his mouth! Lets go start a revolution!" People are fucking idiots

[QUOTE=Simski;43271137]I used to really dislike pain because of how hostile he often acts when arguing, but then I talked to him in some other part of FP where he was acting very friendly and helpful. I think that deep down he's got his heart in the right place, he's just terrible at getting his point across gracefully.[/QUOTE] It seems more like shitposting than trying to get a point across.

[QUOTE=JustGman;43273534]It seems more like shitposting than trying to get a point across.[/QUOTE] At times he DID have a point, but he buried under a mountain of verbal feces. Like finding a needle in a haystack, except with shit instead of hay and a minor argument as the needle. And then he afterwards got mad at people for calling him an ass because he ended up shitting all over a otherwise sensible thread (by Facepunch standards, lets be realistic after all).

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43270373]i never said it's not a big deal. it's one of the most powerful ways to express our dissatisfaction. but it's still nothing compared to the means police employ regularly.[/QUOTE] No offense, but being lit on fire by a projectile that splashes you all over with burning, hard to douse sticky liquid, which also explodes into shards is fucking bloody nasty. The only reason the police are essentially dealing okay with it is because they have full face masks, heavy, flame resistant clothing and riot shields. If the police used molotovs on the protesters, you'd see third degree burns across the board. Rubber bullets are nothing compared to that, and that's pretty much one of the toughest means of crowd control the riot police in the western world uses. Of course if you're making bad molotovs, using some liquid that burns at a relatively low temperature and is relatively easy to douse, then you might have a point, but usually those I've seen were fucking nasty. Hell it gets even worse when instead of molotovs you start throwing around stuff with a chemical lighter. They're almost just as easily made, pretty much ignite the fuel flawless and top it off with a much higher temp fire at first. Since those merely have a chance to cause injury.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;43274286]No offense, but being lit on fire by a projectile that splashes you all over with burning, hard to douse sticky liquid, which also explodes into shards is fucking bloody nasty. The only reason the police are essentially dealing okay with it is because they have full face masks, heavy, flame resistant clothing and riot shields. If the police used molotovs on the protesters, you'd see third degree burns across the board. Rubber bullets are nothing compared to that, and that's pretty much one of the toughest means of crowd control the riot police in the western world uses. Of course if you're making bad molotovs, using some liquid that burns at a relatively low temperature and is relatively easy to douse, then you might have a point, but usually those I've seen were fucking nasty. Hell it gets even worse when instead of molotovs you start throwing around stuff with a chemical lighter. They're almost just as easily made, pretty much ignite the fuel flawless and top it off with a much higher temp fire at first. Since those merely have a chance to cause injury.[/QUOTE] Yawmwen makes it sound like the police officers dress up in riot gear on their annually department picnic and have a waterfights, except with lit molotovs instead of just water balloons. [editline]wait[/editline] I'm starting to believe he has lost his grasp on reality, since he basically compares it to something akin to Postal 2 where you can easily douse yourself in your own urine to extinguish the flames. [editline]wait[/editline] Now that I think about it, being The Postal Dude is probably his wet dream come true.

[QUOTE=O Cheerios O;43274449] I'm starting to believe he has lost his grasp on reality, since he basically compares it to something akin to Postal 2 where you can easily douse yourself in your own urine to extinguish the flames..[/QUOTE] Yawnmen has pretty much always been out of touch with reality, he preaches about the idea of a completely anarchic society but when someone brings up crime he just goes "uh... we'll be able to figure that one out after we take down the PIG OVERLORDS!!! besides im pretty sure people won't be agitated into doing crime with the absence of pigs :downs:".

[QUOTE=Aphtonites;43275021]Yawnmen has pretty much always been out of touch with reality, he preaches about the idea of a completely anarchic society but when someone brings up crime he just goes "uh... we'll be able to figure that one out after we take down the PIG OVERLORDS!!! besides im pretty sure people won't be agitated into doing crime with the absence of pigs :downs:".[/QUOTE] if you're gonna criticize an argument it helps if the argument you're critiquing isn't one that's completely made up. but i'm biased so what do i know.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43275063]if you're gonna criticize an argument it helps if the argument you're critiquing isn't one that's completely made up. but i'm biased so what do i know.[/QUOTE] You're tarnishing the meaning of the word [i]biased[/i]

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43275063]if you're gonna criticize an argument it helps if the argument you're critiquing isn't one that's completely made up. but i'm biased so what do i know.[/QUOTE] Did you not read the thread about that Communist/Socialist Spanish Village? That's pretty spot on to what he argued.

[QUOTE=DuCT;43275130]Did you not read the thread about that Communist/Socialist Spanish Village? That's pretty spot on to what he argued.[/QUOTE] i participated in that thread (which is why i'm saying i'm biased) and no that really isn't what he argued. but this isn't a thread about anarchism nor how much we dislike yawmwen so i wish we could get back on topic :(

[QUOTE=Riller;43270872]Yep. Mainly, that reason being cops are less violent than protesters and as such, don't use deadly weapons like guns or firebombs with the intention to kill against masses.[/QUOTE] not really. it's because firing live ammo has been known to start civil wars, rebellions, and revolutions. [QUOTE=Riller;43270885]Wait. You sayin' that molotov cocktails and thrown bricks are [I]less[/I] dangerous tools than tear gas and batons?[/QUOTE] actually yea. the riot cops are geared to protect against the bricks. and the molotovs aren't particularly dangerous or painful anyways. tear gas, however, is incredibly painful. as is pepper spray. as is getting your skull split by a baton. if you have ever been gassed you know how terrible it is. [editline]22nd December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;43275161]i participated in that thread (which is why i'm saying i'm biased) and no that really isn't what he argued. but this isn't a thread about anarchism nor how much we dislike yawmwen so i wish we could get back on topic :([/QUOTE] i'd say talking about the means police use, as well as the morality of attacking the police, is incredibly on topic since this thread is about someone using violence against the police.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43276383] actually yea. the riot cops are geared to protect against the bricks. and the molotovs aren't particularly dangerous or painful anyways. tear gas, however, is incredibly painful. as is pepper spray. as is getting your skull split by a baton. if you have ever been gassed you know how terrible it is. [/QUOTE] uh I've been bear maced in the face. I'd say I'd easily take that over getting a molotov cocktail thrown on me any day.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;43276435]uh I've been bear maced in the face. I'd say I'd easily take that over getting a molotov cocktail thrown on me any day.[/QUOTE] good for you, i'd rather have the opposite.