Obama invites Gates and Crowley over for beer. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Trotsky;16337993]Democracy is fun until your party loses.[/QUOTE] Trotskyism is fun until you realize that you can't have anything unless the state says so, and the fruits of your labor is thrown to those that slack off, etc. [editline]01:17AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Redcow;16341918][URL=http://img512.imageshack.us/i/37541722.jpg/][IMG]http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7379/37541722.jpg[/IMG][/URL] /thread K you can leave now republicans, you're outnumbered. He won by a landslide because nobody likes Palin or Old Man Mccain with his Joe the Plumber shit. Stop whining and bitching and let him serve his presidential years, and see how he did overall at the end. Not when not even a year has passed, bye![/QUOTE] Why do you assume anyone who disagrees with Obama is a Republican?

[img]http://fallout.neoseeker.com/w/i/fallout/thumb/c/c1/Mister_Crowley.jpg/200px-Mister_Crowley.jpg[/img] Nyugh, stupid smoothskin shouldn't have been poking around Underworld in the first place.

[QUOTE=snuwoods;16342434]Trotskyism is fun until you realize that you can't have anything unless the state says so, and the fruits of your labor is thrown to those that slack off, etc. [editline]01:17AM[/editline] Why do you assume anyone who disagrees with Obama is a Republican?[/QUOTE] 90% of the people who bitch right off before he's even served half of his term, are republican.

[QUOTE=snuwoods;16342434]Trotskyism is fun until you realize that you can't have anything unless the state says so, and the fruits of your labor is thrown to those that slack off, etc. [editline]01:17AM[/editline] Why do you assume anyone who disagrees with Obama is a Republican?[/QUOTE]Your right, they could be Libertarian. Or Communist... oh wait...

looks like obama has friends after all [IMG]http://filesmelt.com/Imagehosting/pics/028c96d832d5b658d46ff5491e86ea2b.jpg[/IMG]

Badass president. Also: [QUOTE=rosthouse;16306075]:cheers: That's how politics need to be done, with beer![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=snuwoods;16342434]Trotskyism is fun until you realize that you can't have anything unless the state says so, and the fruits of your labor is thrown to those that slack off, etc.[/QUOTE] Communism = Stateless You're an idiot. Please, learn a bit, JUST a bit, just a WEE bit about communism before attacking it. [editline]01:19PM[/editline] Seriously snuwoods, get out, you've been proven wrong time after time, it's time to just call it quits.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;16347165]Communism = Stateless You're an idiot. Please, learn a bit, JUST a bit, just a WEE bit about communism before attacking it. [editline]01:19PM[/editline] Seriously snuwoods, get out, you've been proven wrong time after time, it's time to just call it quits.[/QUOTE] You're not trying to defend communism are you? Please provide some proof of that big success story. Communism≠stateless-ness. Communism=classless It's an economic system, and in essentially every attempt at it, has involved a tyrannical state overrun with human emotion and therefore destroying any benefit from the system. [editline]01:09PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Redcow;16343817]90% of the people who bitch right off before he's even served half of his term, are republican.[/QUOTE] Most people, who realize that the president is indebting the country beyond our means to pay it back, are conservatives or simply those who use common sense. That doesn't mean that they are Republicans. And shown by the comments of Biden or Obama, our current administration doesn't have any(common sense). [quote=The Crony Himself]“Now, people when I say that look at me and say, ‘What are you talking about, Joe? You’re telling me we have to go spend money to keep from going bankrupt?’” Biden said. “The answer is yes, that's what I’m telling you.”[/quote] Even Colin Powell realizes the impending mess. [quote=Colin]But now he says he is "sensing around the country that people are starting to get a little uneasy at the number of federal initiatives and the amount of money." He noted that the numbers being "tossed around" are in "the trillions and trillions of dollars, with a national debt that is soaring past $15 trillion to $16 trillion." "Where is the money coming from? We are just printing it or borrowing it from the Chinese. And so, we are leaving a heck of a debt for our kids."[/quote] Let's take some advice from the [url=www.online.wsj.com/article/SB123871911466984927.html]Wall Street Journal[/url]: [quote=WSJ]Mr. Obama's characterizations of his budget unfortunately fall into this pattern. He claims to reduce the deficit by half, to shave $2 trillion off the debt (the cumulative deficit over his 10-year budget horizon), and not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year. While in a Clintonian sense correct (depends on what the definition of "is" is), it is far more accurate to describe Mr. Obama's budget as almost tripling the deficit. It adds $6.5 trillion to the national debt, and leaves future U.S. taxpayers (many of whom will make far less than $250,000) with the tab. And all this before dealing with the looming Medicare and Social Security cost explosion.[/quote]

[QUOTE=snuwoods;16351211]You're not trying to defend communism are you? Please provide some proof of that big success story. Communism≠stateless-ness. Communism=classless It's an economic system, and in essentially every attempt at it, has involved a tyrannical state overrun with human emotion and therefore destroying any benefit from the system.[/QUOTE] yeah because a communist state hasn't ever existed i thought that was pretty obvious BUT NOOOOO

Oh hey maybe I can get invited to the white house if I arrest some of his friends too

[QUOTE=meatballfish;16306088]I read the thread and thought Bill Gates and Mr. Crowley got invited for a beer :v:[/QUOTE] Yeah, I thought it was talking about Bill Gates at first. xD

News is slow lately huh?

[QUOTE=snuwoods;16351211]You're not trying to defend communism are you?[/quote] Yes I am. [quote]Please provide some proof of that big success story.[/quote] It's never been successful simply [quote]Communism≠stateless-ness. Communism=classless[/quote] There is no government in a communist society. [quote]Stateless communism, also known as pure communism, is the ideal, post-socialist stage of society which Karl Marx predicted would inevitably follow the historical stages of capitalism and socialism. Stateless communism is closely related and connected to world communism.[/quote] ^ Understand the stages to communism first. Most people don't know anything about communism, you included. Look at the route of the fucking word: Commue. [quote]It's an economic system[/quote] Exactly, not a political system. It implies a national commune. You DO know what a commune is, correct? [quote]and in essentially every attempt at it, has involved a tyrannical state overrun with human emotion and therefore destroying any benefit from the system.[/quote] Overun with human emotion? The fuck are you talking about?

[QUOTE=Trotsky;16360626]Yes I am. It's never been successful simply There is no government in a communist society. ^ Understand the stages to communism first. Most people don't know anything about communism, you included. Look at the route of the fucking word: Commue. Exactly, not a political system. It implies a national commune. You DO know what a commune is, correct? Overun with human emotion? The fuck are you talking about?[/QUOTE] The human factor is what ruins communism. You still don't understand that Marxism is different than communism. Apparently you haven't shrugged your angsty teen phase where you think everyone should stop being "stupid" and adopt communism.

(alt) [QUOTE=snuwoods;16363337]The human factor is what ruins communism.[/quote] this is somewhat true, but describing that as how a totalitarian, faux-communist society like the soviet union fell is stupid. I don't understand how you managed to reach this conclusion. [quote]You still don't understand that Marxism is different than communism.[/quote] I understand perfectly, I've argued many a times with Conscript on this. I'm talking about Pure Communism, the original idea. Not this fake Marxist-Leninist shit that's been spouted about the last 100 years. [quote]Apparently you haven't shrugged your angsty teen phase[/quote] I'm not too sure how you came to this conclusion. Because beleiving in a system that is meant for large scales, but as of now only works in small scales is CRAZY amirite? You believe in the absolute free market, snuwoods? [quote]where you think everyone should stop being "stupid" and adopt communism.[/QUOTE] Where did I say this again? I think I missed that.

[QUOTE=Trotsky;16360626]There is no government in a communist society.[/quote] Yeah, sure. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy]That's totally not something else entirely.[/url]

[QUOTE=Sams Brume;16372514]Yeah, sure. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchy]That's totally not something else entirely.[/url][/QUOTE] Anarchy has no social order. A communist society is a national commune, not a lawless society.

[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;16306393] Because the professor who got arrested was black, so Obama calls the police officer stupid. Had the professor been white Obama wouldn't even had noticed.[/QUOTE] Well no one would. Because there would be no chance of it being a racist crime since both parties would have been white. Also Mr. Crowley? [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/f/fd/Mrcrowley.jpg[/img] This all would have blown over into the annals of racism against everyone other than white protestant men in the US if Obama didn't say the police acted stupidly. Which probably would have been a good thing. The only difference is that the man who got pushed around worked at Harvard and was friends with the president Since this occurred near where I live, there's more coverage here. From what I've read and heard, Crowley said that the report was of 2 black men with backpacks going into the house, while the person who called 911 didn't state it until pressed by the dispatcher. Even then she said she thought one was latino and she couldn't tell what the other one was. Her story was proven by the audiotapes of the 911 call.

[QUOTE=markfu;16373888]Well no one would. Because there would be no chance of it being a racist crime since both parties would have been white. Also Mr. Crowley? [img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout/images/f/fd/Mrcrowley.jpg[/img] This all would have blown over into the annals of racism against everyone other than white protestant men in the US if Obama didn't say the police acted stupidly. Which probably would have been a good thing. The only difference is that the man who got pushed around worked at Harvard and was friends with the president Since this occurred near where I live, there's more coverage here. From what I've read and heard, Crowley said that the report was of 2 black men with backpacks going into the house, while the person who called 911 didn't state it until pressed by the dispatcher. Even then she said she thought one was latino and she couldn't tell what the other one was. Her story was proven by the audiotapes of the 911 call.[/QUOTE] The point is that Mr. Gates should have acquiesced to Crowley. He would have been A-OK, as long as he provided his ID. The bone of contention that I find is that Mr. Gates seemed as though he wanted to prove something that simply, wasn't worth the hassle, and otherwise wasn't even the case. He seemed to have wanted to prove that he was being racially targeted. Him being an alleged "expert" at the subject, one could conclude that it was an opportune time to make a fuss and draw media attention, as it has. That to me is petty, and a blatant caviling at a respectable officer, who actually taught classes about racial profiling at the Lowell Police Academy. [editline]01:54PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Warhol;16369669](alt) this is somewhat true, but describing that as how a totalitarian, faux-communist society like the soviet union fell is stupid. I don't understand how you managed to reach this conclusion. I understand perfectly, I've argued many a times with Conscript on this. I'm talking about Pure Communism, the original idea. Not this fake Marxist-Leninist shit that's been spouted about the last 100 years. I'm not too sure how you came to this conclusion. Because beleiving in a system that is meant for large scales, but as of now only works in small scales is CRAZY amirite? You believe in the absolute free market, snuwoods? Where did I say this again? I think I missed that.[/QUOTE] The problem with the argument is that we're arguing preference, and sensibility. Communism doesn't make sense with a pragmatic view. An equal society is something of a utopian ideal because most people are not willing to give up their hard earned spoils. The human factor. Additionally, most people are equal in needs, but not equal in ability - which also brings up the point, why would anyone strive to work harder? They would feel the accomplishment of contributing more to society, and everyone else is assumed to be eager to contribute to society. Not only does this imply that [b]everyone[/b] must be willing to contribute in order for the society to achieve it's maximum efficiency, but you're also implying that everyone must conform to this attitude. If you don't hold this value, you should be adjusted accordingly. We get into this Ingsoc totalitarian society. In most cases, if I give something away, I expect the something equal or greater in value in return. And that there is sensible.

I think he did present his ID, but prior to that he was speaking out, and so they arrested him on disorderly conduct. Right now I'm trying to find a first-hand source of the "two black men" statement. So far all I've found is paraphrasing. If it is true though, that means even if Crowley had taught classes in race at police academies, there could still be that slight racial tension underlying his attempt to promote racial integration. If the two black men statement is true, then Gates has a case, if not, then he doesn't have as much of a standing point.

[QUOTE=Warhol;16373205]Anarchy has no social order. A communist society is a national commune, not a lawless society.[/QUOTE] No [b]govern[/b]ment, no laws to [b]govern[/b] the people.

[QUOTE=Sams Brume;16378842]No [b]govern[/b]ment, no laws to [b]govern[/b] the people.[/QUOTE] Government is not the only way to govern people equally.

[QUOTE=Warhol;16379025]Government is not the only way to govern people equally.[/QUOTE] How else?

[QUOTE=Warhol;16379025]Government is not the only way to govern people equally.[/QUOTE] I am intrigued, how do you politically govern people without becoming a government?

[QUOTE=snuwoods;16379253]How else?[/QUOTE] Workers democracy Basically the people govern each other and themselves.

[QUOTE=Warhol;16380653]Workers democracy Basically the people govern each other and themselves.[/QUOTE] there's a word for that sort of thing government

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;16380695]there's a word for that sort of thing government[/QUOTE] [quote]A government is the body within an organization that has the authority to make and enforce rules, laws and regulations.[/quote] That's a government There is no single body. In communism, everyone governs each other. So you could say the entire country is a government.

[QUOTE=Warhol;16380899]That's a government There is no single body. In communism, everyone governs each other. So you could say the entire country is a government.[/QUOTE] You're not making sense. You want this to apply to a country like America?

[QUOTE=Warhol;16380899]So you could say the entire country is a [b]government.[/b][/QUOTE] I accept your surrender.

[QUOTE=snuwoods;16381637]You're not making sense. You want this to apply to a country like America?[/QUOTE] Snu, I'm explaining the facts. If it doesn't make sense to you, you should read some of Marx's work. You obviously have not. From what you said, you haven't the slightest idea what communism is. I don't really care what America does. [QUOTE=Sams Brume;16381735]I accept your surrender.[/QUOTE] I'm still right though.