Bomb truck disguised as ambulance found outside German stadium - Polidicks

No explosives have been found. [url]http://www.tagesschau.de/newsticker/paris-371.html[/url] [QUOTE=Bruhmis;49134778]why do you go in every thread and shame people for voicing their opinion on the topic? that's literally the entire point of making a thread.[/QUOTE] Because it has nothing to do with this news story at all. It's just derailing.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49134778]why do you go in every thread and shame people for voicing their opinion on the topic? that's literally the entire point of making a thread.[/QUOTE] What, its a solid argument made in a sarcastic way. I think hes right, we don't know shit about refugees lives and why they are here.

[QUOTE=taipan;49134818]What, its a solid argument made in a sarcastic way. I think hes right, we don't know shit about refugees lives and why they are here.[/QUOTE] it's not a solid argument. the fact that he plays video games and posts on a forum doesn't automatically mean his worldview is wrong or meaningless.

[QUOTE=Fourier;49134677]Many Europeans countries can't handle / take care of themselves and yet we should accept many refugees that have no social skills, no degree. And yet many governments are more caring of refugees than their own citizens. Can't you smell anything fishy here?[/QUOTE] A European county going to a bit of a financial setback is a hell of a lot better than a country where you get murdered because you view Islam in a slightly different way than the next guy. The richest most well of refugees are the ones who make it to Europe btw. You really need a load of money to be able to even arrange transport to Europe. I have an Iranian and an Iraqi regugee working in my company. They both learned speak Dutch flawlessly in the 3 years they are here. One is a project manager the other a senior buyer. They are doing great. [editline]17th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Bruhmis;49134845]it's not a solid argument. the fact that he plays video games and posts on a forum doesn't automatically mean his worldview is wrong or meaningless.[/QUOTE] Not meaningless. But certainly less valuable. Would you rather take investment advice from an investment banker or a hobo on the street?

[QUOTE=taipan;49134853]Would you rather take investment advice from an investment banker or a hobo on the street?[/QUOTE] then what is the point of this forum existing if every time a thread get's made, as soon as someone comments on it they have to be told "now, now everyone. you're not oxford professors so keep your opinions to yourself." we're [B]not[/B] giving investment advice. he never demanded that politicians base their policies on his posts in this thread.

[QUOTE=elitehakor;49134669]fucking asshole refugees why didn't you fight you morons??? [i]*yells this at a family of 5 where the husband has a broken arm from an isis fighter and his other arm is holding his 5 month old baby, and the other children are under 10 and the wife is pregnant*[/i][/QUOTE] Most of the refugees are 20-30 something men. Blaming them as a collective for anything is still dumb though. Blame the policy makers.

So it's a bomb truck with no explosives? How does that work? It had a big hatch on the top with spring popup sign that said 'Kaboom'?

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49134588]Thanks refugees, thanks.[/QUOTE] Don't blame the genuine refugees for shit like this please, they can't help it. The genuine refugees are actually trying to escape shit like this, by fleeing their home countries. The other 60% of immigrants are assholes trying to ease their acceptance into Europe by pretending they are also genuine refugees. It's however not their fault for trying, but the fault of our idiotic left-wing governments who refuse the adequately tell them to "fuck off" and who keep them risking life and limb by promising them a better life after making the perilous voyage overseas. [QUOTE=EmilioGB;49134630]They should've stayed at their homelands and fought for them.[/QUOTE] Even though something can be said for this, yes. Most of the refugees are young single men, who SHOULD be fighting for their country instead of abandoning their wives, children, and elderly in Syria. But lets not dilute the fact that you shouldn't blame refugees for terrorist attacks. They're simply not that related, other than that there are terrorists amongst the refugees. Something they aren't happy about themselves either.

"We have a credible threat" "It's a suitcase" "No wait it's a truck." "No wait it's a ambulance bomb truck" "No wait it's just a fake ambulance." "No wait it's just an ambulance" [editline]shit[/editline] [QUOTE=-<PsY>-;49135237]I just heard on local radio that explosives were found in one of the trains that is currently in the Hanover central train station. The police checked the item with dogs and will probably detornate it inside if the train.[/QUOTE] "No wait, shit guys, it's a bomb train."

[QUOTE=taipan;49134853] I have an Iranian and an Iraqi regugee working in my company. They both learned speak Dutch flawlessly in the 3 years they are here. One is a project manager the other a senior buyer. They are doing great. [/QUOTE] I was at the point of giving up on my fellow countrymen mental state, I love folks like you speeking out. Got lots of Egyptian refugees at my workplace, top guys!

[QUOTE=arthuro12;49134995]I was at the point of giving up on my fellow countrymen mental state, I love folks like you speeking out. Got lots of Egyptian refugees at my workplace, top guys![/QUOTE] Well I hope you and Taipan realize that nobody in the Netherlands has any damn problem with guys like these. I'm critical of islamic-immigration, but I mean my parents-in-law are also part of a not-so-popular-group of Bulgarians that are also perfeclty integrated and who work their ass off like everyone here to contribute. Stop pretending like the Netherlands is some vile racist place please. You realize full well that the Dutch, including me, are ONLY fed up with people who do nothing and who refuse to integrate into our society. People who come here, like the Egyptian colleges are more than welcome, if they function in our society and contribute to it. Sadly the few immigrants that are doing well, from an islamic-background, are a very small minorty when looking at real life, and statistics from the CBS. Please stop denying this. It is incredibly damaging to solving the problem, just like claiming they're all rotten. Applaud and befriend the people that want to integrate and function in society, but also don't be afraid to call out when people aren't functioning without feelling like a racist or xenophobe.

[QUOTE=V12US;49134958]So it's a bomb truck with no explosives? How does that work? It had a big hatch on the top with spring popup sign that said 'Kaboom'?[/QUOTE] Ah yes, the Wile E. Coyote school of terrorism.

I don't think it's right to blame the refugees. I also don't think it was right for Germany to be so careless when accepting so many people and not taking the precautions of even stopping to think "oh, maybe there are terrorists among this group of people that are migrating from a country where terrorism is rampant." Stupid stupid stupid stupid government.

[QUOTE=elitehakor;49134611]Fucking asshole refugees shouldn't have escaped their homes and certain death[/QUOTE] Maybe it wouldn't be such certain death if the majority didn't submit to the minority and actually fought for their opinions like the rest of the world do.

I just heard on local radio that explosives were found in one of the trains that is currently in the Hanover central train station. The police checked the item with dogs and will probably detornate it inside if the train.

[QUOTE=Fourier;49134677]Many Europeans countries can't handle / take care of themselves and yet we should accept many refugees that have no social skills, no degree. And yet many governments are more caring of refugees than their own citizens. Can't you smell anything fishy here?[/QUOTE] I'm a boring white American man, but just three generations before me, my family was a group of Lithuanian immigrants who left during a struggle with the Russians, and they knew no English and just wanted to fit in and get their kids through college. It took a few generations, but now I'm here and I'm pretty much fully assimilated and I enjoy all the privileges that white Americans get, despite being from an oppressed immigrant group. The point I'm trying to make is that assimilation takes time, and it's short-sighted to refuse new immigrants because they don't already fit perfectly into your society.

[QUOTE=Fourier;49134677]Many Europeans countries can't handle / take care of themselves and yet we should accept many refugees that have no social skills, no degree. And yet many governments are more caring of refugees than their own citizens. Can't you smell anything fishy here?[/QUOTE] Got sources for 1. Many Europeon countries can handle themselves (citizens)? and 2. That Governments are more caring of refugees than their own citizens? This sounds like the same garbage being spewed around the US. Those who spew it are the same people who dont know what services refugees get, but always play the pity homeless veteran card.

[QUOTE=Dougz;49134341]Will post article once I find one [t]http://i.imgur.com/vYwgiFK.png[/t] [url]https://twitter.com/dw_sports/status/666698740108009472[/url][/QUOTE] At least it didn't explode.

[QUOTE=V12US;49134958]So it's a bomb truck with no explosives? How does that work? It had a big hatch on the top with spring popup sign that said 'Kaboom'?[/QUOTE] [URL="https://twitter.com/dw_sports/status/666706905071493120"]It seems like it was made-up "news" broadcast unchecked by the Bild[/URL]: [quote=@dw_sports]These reports are unconfirmed from German publication @BILD.[/quote] According to N24, Pistorius (Lower-Saxony's interior minister) said rumours in that regard "could not be confirmed so far".

From what little info there is it sounds more like an ambulance they thought had bombs, but probably just turned out to be an ambulance. I'd wait for more info because an "unconfirmed report" with "no evidence of explosives" really isn't much to go on.

[QUOTE=EmilioGB;49134630]They should've stayed at their homelands and fought for them.[/QUOTE] This is like the biggest victim blame you could do

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;49135358]I'm a boring white American man, but just three generations before me, my family was a group of Lithuanian immigrants who left during a struggle with the Russians, and they knew no English and just wanted to fit in and get their kids through college. It took a few generations, but now I'm here and I'm pretty much fully assimilated and I enjoy all the privileges that white Americans get, despite being from an oppressed immigrant group. The point I'm trying to make is that assimilation takes time, and it's short-sighted to refuse new immigrants because they don't already fit perfectly into your society.[/QUOTE] If only every immigrant was like you. The problem is that countries like the Netherlands have been having the same failed experience with islamic-background immigrants for over 35 years now. Lots of different strokes of people come to the Netherlands and we are proudly tolerant and multicultural, however we cannot do anything other than reasonably conclude that the people with (rural-)islamic backgrounds have had incredible trouble integrating, let alone assimilating into our society and culture. The backgrounds just seem to different, since I'm not ready to say that they are completely unwilling, even though there are voices that think that THAT is the problem at hand with this group. Maybe now you understand the reluctance of the Dutch people, and people in other tolerant countries, to take in even more people from this group since the people before them have done such a piss-poor job of integrating and participating.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49134932]Most of the refugees are 20-30 something men. Blaming them as a collective for anything is still dumb though. Blame the policy makers.[/QUOTE] [URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-the-syrian-refugee-vetting-process/"]Half of the refugees are children.[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;49136103][URL="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-is-the-syrian-refugee-vetting-process/"]Half of the refugees are children.[/URL][/QUOTE] ...of the 1800 that have entered the US. Just literally watch any video where refugees are at the Hungarian fence or arriving by train and it becomes immediately apparent that the majority of them is male, and definitely not children

Sorry, you're right. America's having a pretty big immigration debate right now so I'm only really getting media about our own refugee crisis

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;49137687]Sorry, you're right. America's having a pretty big immigration debate right now so I'm only really getting media about our own refugee [b]crisis[/b][/QUOTE] How many 100 000s are you taking in?

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49134906]then what is the point of this forum existing if every time a thread get's made, as soon as someone comments on it they have to be told "now, now everyone. you're not oxford professors so keep your opinions to yourself." we're [B]not[/B] giving investment advice. he never demanded that politicians base their policies on his posts in this thread.[/QUOTE] Attacking someones credibility is a valid discussion tactic. In this case we probably all have almost no credibility here as probably none of us are directly involved in this immigrant problem. I think its important that people realise how little they know before they entrench themselves in unfounded opinions. [QUOTE=arthuro12;49134995]I was at the point of giving up on my fellow countrymen mental state, I love folks like you speeking out. [/QUOTE] Well, except for some dutch rednecks that get all thescreentime on shit tv channels like SBS6. I really dont think our fellow countrymen are opposed to immigrants. [QUOTE=Rumbler;49135070] Sadly the few immigrants that are doing well, from an islamic-background, are a very small minorty when looking at real life, and statistics from the CBS. Please stop denying this. It is incredibly damaging to solving the problem, just like claiming they're all rotten. [/QUOTE] Source? I grew up in Rotterdam and the ammount of worthless scum on the streets there (mainly second generation marrocans) really helps to make you believe that islamic people are good for nothing. However, due to meeting more Islamic people at: work, University and now living in a less foreigner focussed city makes me change that view. I would really like some hard statistics for that. [editline]18th November 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rumbler;49135973] The problem is that countries like the Netherlands have been having the same failed experience with islamic-background immigrants for over 35 years now. [/QUOTE] The key sentence in his story is "It took a few generations". Third generation immigrants are already doing better than second. First generation didnt have a problem either, its mainly the second. (Opinionated) source about what may be causing this: [URL="https://np.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3sq6h7/eli5_paris_attacks_megathread/cwzm3pm"]https://np.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/3sq6h7/eli5_paris_attacks_megathread/cwzm3pm[/URL]

[QUOTE=BigJoeyLemons;49135358]I'm a boring white American man, but just three generations before me, my family was a group of Lithuanian immigrants who left during a struggle with the Russians, and they knew no English and just wanted to fit in and get their kids through college. It took a few generations, but now I'm here and I'm pretty much fully assimilated and I enjoy all the privileges that white Americans get, despite being from an oppressed immigrant group. The point I'm trying to make is that assimilation takes time, and it's short-sighted to refuse new immigrants because they don't already fit perfectly into your society.[/QUOTE] It, to me, isn't about if they fit in; most won't from the start because they come from a very different place culturally, and that's fine. To me, it's about if they want to be a part of the country they are in; if they are willing to accept that the west has far different views on many issues; if they want to, and are able to, let go of the parts of their culture that are polar opposites to those of the west. If, instead, they want to change the place they are in--which most people living them would consider dragging it backwards hundreds of years--, then honestly they can fuck off. Or, in other words, where conflicts in culture negatively impact the existing population (in a meaningful way, a Woman wanting to cover her face--for example--isn't impacting anyone else in a meaningful way), if those moving there aren't willing to give up those parts of their culture, then they shouldn't be there.

[QUOTE=taipan;49137785] Source? I grew up in Rotterdam and the ammount of worthless scum on the streets there (mainly second generation marrocans) really helps to make you believe that islamic people are good for nothing. However, due to meeting more Islamic people at: work, University and now living in a less foreigner focussed city makes me change that view. I would really like some hard statistics for that. [/QUOTE] Don't worry, I base myself on hard statistics not on 'onderbuikgevoel'. I base myself on facts. Not that those facts go against what my daily experience in the Netherlands is...unfortionately. People with an islamic-background are in the high-ranks of every bad-list there is. They are either unwilling, or unable to adapt to Western society and culture. At least, they have WAY more problems that any other group of immigrants. [quote][b][u]Welfare depencany[/u][/b] Total numbers of all people in the Netherlands that receive welfare. Look at how relatively few Maroccans, Turks and non-Western immigrants there are here, and how disproportionally many of them receive welfare. Same goes for somalians. 70% of people from Somalia are welfare dependant, 60% of Iraquees, 60% of Syrians, 45% of Afghanis, 40% of Afghans. [img]http://s13.postimg.org/u16fou41j/percentages.jpg[/img] [url=http://www.cbs.nl/nl-nl/menu/themas/dossiers/allochtonen/publicaties/artikelen/archief/2015/zeven-van-de-tien-somaliers-in-de-bijstand.htm]Source for image and percentages[/url] [url=http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publication/?VW=T&DM=SLNL&PA=81569NED&D1=0,6-10&D2=0&D3=0&D4=1,5,8-15&D5=l&HD=121029-1541&HDR=G4,G1,T&STB=G2,G3]Source[/url][/quote] [quote][b][u]Criminality WITH CONVICTION. This therefor doesn't show complete numbers[/u][/b] [img]http://s1.postimg.org/rga0hyfge/criminality.jpg[/img] Look at the numbers in the second row. For [b]native Dutch people: 69[/b] out of [b]10.000 commit a crime[/b]. It also shows that most Dutch people commit economic crimes. Not paying taxes etc. For [b]Western-immigrants[/b] it's [b]95[/b] out of [b]10.000[/b] who commit a crime. Again most of them commit economic crimes. For [b]Non-Western immigrants[/b] this number [b]jumps[/b] to [b]270[/b] out of [b]10.000[/b] For [b]Maroccans specifically[/b] it's [b]386[/b] out of [b]10.000[/b]. You cannot seriously tell me you can deny those numbers. This is the left-wing government themselves publishing this. And have you ever watched "Opsporing verzocht?". Same image comes across clearly. [url=http://statline.cbs.nl/StatWeb/publication/?VW=T&DM=SLNL&PA=81947NED&D1=54,60-65&D2=0&D3=0&D4=1,3-9&D5=l&HD=130301-1626&HDR=G4,G1,G2,T&STB=G3]Source for image and numbers[/url][/quote] This is just 2 things that I picked out. If you're curious, go to CBS.nl and you can look at the numbers available on any topic and you'll see that I am right. They are in every bad-list, and they are at the top of those.

oh come the fuck on please not here too