Valve's Director of Buisness: "Steam sales don't 'Cannibalise'" - Polidicks

One of the best, if not the best way to advertise something is word of mouth. If my friend told me there was a kickass game i would look into it. if he told me it was 75% off on steam i would probably buy it without much hesitation

Skate's good and so was SimCity. That concludes my list of things I like about EA.

[QUOTE=Justin Case;36800799]Skate's good and so was SimCity. That concludes my list of things I like about EA.[/QUOTE] Too bad Sim City was made by maxis and published by EA

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;36800712]Valve basically do the most profitable things possible for their business model. Things like Team Fortress 2 being free and the steam sales? They just happen to be massive money-magnets, they aren't acts of generosity.[/QUOTE] It is generosity, because they know how to make money while treating their customers well, unlike EA who only care about getting money with not the slightest care for the customer.

[QUOTE=GameDev;36800876]Too bad Sim City was made by maxis and published by EA[/QUOTE] Well played.

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36796991]A community that, if you don't dive down to its bitter angry 4chan parts,[/QUOTE] Actually, there is always a thread on 4chan called the steam begging thread where people beg for games and actually receive them too.

"oh look, a system that effectively dissuades piracy by selling extremely cheap games while making a realistic profit and a happy customer base. they're obviously cheapening intellectual property and bastardizing the game industry". -EA, and literally fucking nobody else

[QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36796991]For this summer sale they've even arranged it so you can buy a pack, and all the games from the pack you already own are turned into gifts.[/quote] I bought a pack and it was explicitly stated that I would not get an extra copy of the game I already owned. [QUOTE=Marik Bentusi;36796991]Valve's alive because it perpetuates love and it quenches wallets because of ridiculously low prices. Now that's what a winner looks like, don't you think?[/QUOTE] I still wholeheartedly agree with you here.

How can I make this "Jason", to make love with me?

[QUOTE=Nikota;36796691]I seriously love how CS:GO is going to be 15 bucks for all platforms. Will definitely spread the joy in actual competitive gaming that is counter strike to a new audience.[/QUOTE] If this was standard retail price, I probably wouldn't buy due to wanting other games. However, what a price. Better still is the quality of the game from what i've played from the beta.

I remember BF3 being 50% off when EA said that, it's pretty obvious EA is just trolling with Origin and doesn't actually take it seriously.

[QUOTE=slayer3032;36801834]I remember BF3 being 50% off when EA said that, it's pretty obvious EA is just trolling with Origin and doesn't actually take it seriously.[/QUOTE] All it is, is old people who do not understand computers and the internet, trying to make as much money as possible, the problem is, gamers are not like other business customers.

[QUOTE=SuperLoz;36797262]Valve: "We're billionaires and our customers are happy."[/QUOTE]"Your move EA" Seriously though, this only proves why I've been a loyal customer to Valve for more than a decade. I've spent hundreds, maybe thousands on Valve and Steam. Every damn cent was worth it though. I hope valve continues to offer us badass service and even more badass prices.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;36803048]"Your move EA" Seriously though, this only proves why I've been a loyal customer to Valve for more than a decade. I've spent hundreds, maybe thousands on Valve and Steam. Every damn cent was worth it though. I hope valve continues to offer us badass service and even more badass prices.[/QUOTE][img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1439918/Pics/2012-07-16_20-17-16.png[/img] And I've only been a customer since '08 :(

[QUOTE=geoface;36796734]what did EA even hope to achieve by bashing Valve? everyone hates EA right now, this is not making it any better by talking shit about the most loved game developer and digital distribution service.[/QUOTE] Uhh chucklenuts. EA weren't bashing Valve, it was their big mouthed CEO who can't seem to hold a thought to himself. I'm pretty sure most of EA realise what Valve have going in and admire that they have done so well. But their CEO is a businessman, like Kotick, and straight profits are all he understands. I mean, when Chet says something utterly retarded do we say that was Valve saying it? No, we blame Chet. When that guy who hyped up the AI in Oblivion straight up lied, did we blame Bethesda? Maybe at first, but people learned to stop blaming the whole company for one big mouthed moron. The sooner they gag the idiot running them, the sooner their PR will get better. People currently hate them because they have a media spotlight, they havent changed much since the time we were all railing on Activision.

[QUOTE=TehWhale;36803175][img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/1439918/Pics/2012-07-16_20-17-16.png[/img] And I've only been a customer since '08 :([/QUOTE] What site is this?

Steam: The only platform that makes me lose every single bit of dollars and cents that i will ever achieve in my life, and i haven't regretted a single moment of it.

[QUOTE=GameDev;36803322]What site is this?[/QUOTE] steam calculator? I don't find it very trustworthy because it scans your library of games then compares it to the current prices. It doesn't calculate the price you purchased it at. [editline]16th July 2012[/editline] And EA is just mad that Valve has the loyal customer/fan base they wish they had, and not to mention all the money.

[QUOTE=Axznma;36796663]EA is just mad people are becoming wiser with their money, and of course they're jealous of Steams profits.[/QUOTE] Not 2 weeks after EA said that sales cheapen intellectual property, did they give me DA:O ($20) for free. And anyone else in the US/Canada who got that email about their one year anniversary thing

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;36804021]steam calculator? I don't find it very trustworthy because it scans your library of games then compares it to the current prices. It doesn't calculate the price you purchased it at. [editline]16th July 2012[/editline] And EA is just mad that Valve has the loyal customer/fan base they wish they had, and not to mention all the money.[/QUOTE] It also counts every bit of DLC you buy/get with certain packs as seperate games I.E. getting a weapon pre-order DLC for free counts as a game purchase according to the calculator. My calculator says as such I've only played about 50% of the games I've "bought", when in reality I've played almost every single one (since I don't like to get games I won't actually play). Thanks to it counting DLC, bonuses, etc that are impossible to play as "games". So it is kind dumb. Still neat though if you can ignore its faults.

EA is just butthurt because they are evil fucking disgusting people They wonder why nobody loves them as much we love Valve Jealous that nobody gives a flying shit about Origin I for one actively avoid Origin

I see this as valve and EA being characters from "Of mice and Men" EA is Curly Valve is Slim Those who at any point had to analyse that book will understand * pretentious chuckle*

[QUOTE=BANNED USER;36804021]steam calculator? I don't find it very trustworthy because it scans your library of games then compares it to the current prices. It doesn't calculate the price you purchased it at. [editline]16th July 2012[/editline] And EA is just mad that Valve has the loyal customer/fan base they wish they had, and not to mention all the money.[/QUOTE] How would you have it know when you bought it? What you're asking is just unreasonable.

Only good thing's to come out of EA are some of their sport franchises (mainly FIFA), SSX & the older Battlefield games (well made by DICE, published by EA)

[QUOTE=ISPYUDIE;36800934]It is generosity, because they know how to make money while treating their customers well, unlike EA who only care about getting money with not the slightest care for the customer.[/QUOTE] Not really generosity but more like customer relationship/loyalty building. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Performula;36797693]Valve thinks it's so high and mighty, but where is HL2:Episode 3???? Worry less about press and more about making that game.. [B]Valve = slackers[/B] <-hate to say it, but it's true :([/QUOTE] Hint: They're keeping the lid on Episode 3/HL3 because they want to avoid a DNF situation, I.E where the media's attention on a highly anticipated game builds up hype and creates expectations the final product can't possibly hope to live up to. The less people expect from a game that turns out to be good, the better it will be received. Think of Portal 1.

With $60 I was able to get Max Payne 3, Dead Rising 2 Off The Record, ALL the $70 worth of Saints Row 3 DLC, Rage, EYE, and some other assorted game bundles. This just doesn't happen anywhere besides Steam and it's what keeps me coming back. They just handle their business so well. As long as they're concerned more about their customers and EA is more concerned about turning a profit and/or impressing shareholders, Valve and Steam will always be better.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;36805038]Not 2 weeks after EA said that sales cheapen intellectual property, did they give me DA:O ($20) for free. And anyone else in the US/Canada who got that email about their one year anniversary thing[/QUOTE] This just in: EA's moron CEO leads a hivemind of employees. Every single person in every single EA department, on every part of the world, and every EA-published developer agrees with the CEO. Take a subjective approach to videogame politics, and have a more justified anti-EA boner.

[QUOTE=Im Crimson;36809178]Not really generosity but more like customer relationship/loyalty building. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] Hint: They're keeping the lid on Episode 3/HL3 because they want to avoid a DNF situation, I.E where the media's attention on a highly anticipated game builds up hype and creates expectations the final product can't possibly hope to live up to. The less people expect from a game that turns out to be good, the better it will be received. Think of Portal 1.[/QUOTE]Duke Nukem Forever had far more problems than being overhyped. Portal was greatly hyped, it just actually met said hype. And while it is understandable that you would want to avoid overhyping your game, you shouldn't completely neglect it either. While overhyping is bad, no hype at all isn't really better. Eventually, people just stop caring. For a while I honestly stopped caring about Episode 3, forgot about it really. A lot of people have stopped caring and have lost interest in it, and that's not a good thing. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=milkandcooki;36811124]This just in: EA's moron CEO leads a hivemind of employees. Every single person in every single EA department, on every part of the world, and every EA-published developer agrees with the CEO. Take a subjective approach to videogame politics, and have a more justified anti-EA boner.[/QUOTE]What he is talking about has nothing to do with how employees think. EA is a business, and all an executive or division manager has to do is say "No" and it doesn't matter what the employees want. Businesses are not democracies, what the general employees want doesn't matter because the final call is made by the higher ups. So if something gets done on Origin, its because they called for it or allowed it.

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;36811193]Duke Nukem Forever had far more problems than being overhyped. Portal was greatly hyped, it just actually met said hype. And while it is understandable that you would want to avoid overhyping your game, you shouldn't completely neglect it either. While overhyping is bad, no hype at all isn't really better. Eventually, people just stop caring. For a while I honestly stopped caring about Episode 3, forgot about it really. A lot of people have stopped caring and have lost interest in it, and that's not a good thing. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] What he is talking about has nothing to do with how employees think. EA is a business, and all an executive or division manager has to do is say "No" and it doesn't matter what the employees want. Businesses are not democracies, what the general employees want doesn't matter because the final call is made by the higher ups. So if something gets done on Origin, its because they called for it or allowed it.[/QUOTE] If you payed attention to the post I replied to, you would know that I was referring to when EA's CEO said that [I]he[/I] believed that huge sales lessen the value of IP. I don't agree with that, but it's an understandable viewpoint. Now, this was a single person's opinion during a fucking interview, not a business deciscion. The person I replied to said that the entirety of EA said that, which is false. [editline]17th July 2012[/editline] Disregard the typos, too difficult to edit a big post on my iPod.

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;36811468]If you payed attention to the post I replied to, you would know that I was referring to when EA's CEO said that [I]he[/I] believed that huge sales lessen the value of IP. I don't agree with that, but it's an understandable viewpoint. Now, this was a single person's opinion during a fucking interview, not a business deciscion. The person I replied to said that the entirety of EA said that, which is false.[/QUOTE]He didn't say the entirety of EA, he just said EA. Much in the same way people say "Valve said..." or "Bioware said..." or "THQ said..." or whatever. Second, the CEO still oversees much of what happens and these things will come up to him.