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So this is pretty clearly at least one federal crime right? Remember when all a president had to do to get impeached was lie about getting a blowjob? Those were the days
Blackmailing the former head of the FBI, who still has a lot of support within the FBI, on fucking Twitter. How does Trump manage to keep doing the fucking DUMBEST shit?
[QUOTE=Foogooman;52219008]So this is pretty clearly at least one federal crime right? Remember when all a president had to do to get impeached was lie about getting a blowjob? Those were the days[/QUOTE] He lied under oath and obstructed justice.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219046]He lied under oath and obstructed justice.[/QUOTE] Who did? I don't quite follow. Are you talking about a President or someone else?
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;52219043]Blackmailing the former head of the FBI, who still has a lot of support within the FBI, on fucking Twitter. How does Trump manage to keep doing the fucking DUMBEST shit?[/QUOTE] Trump doesnt have the brains of a small child, and is surrounded by brainless yes-men, in addition to having an ego the size of Jupiter. At this point, nobody should be surprised that Trump is the dumbest president ever elected to the position, but rather the fact that he makes Dubya look like a MENSA member.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219046]He lied under oath and obstructed justice.[/QUOTE] And Trump has attempted to obstruct justice by firing the director FBI for his role in an investigation into [B]charges of treason[/B] against Trump and his administration, and then went on to publicly blackmail that person on threat of releasing incriminating "tapes" if he went to the press. Both of those are felonies. High crimes of office. I'm not defending Clinton here, he deserved to be ousted for lying as he did, but [I]why the fuck[/I] is Trump exempt from wrongdoing in your eyes despite the [B]objectively worse[/B] offenses?
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219046]He lied under oath and obstructed justice.[/QUOTE] Trump also lied under oath, obstructed justice, and committed another felony by blackmailing the director of the FBI on top of that. That's 3 crimes for one offense, so why aren't you acknowledging that the idiot's committed his own mistakes, and enough to get him arraigned on impeachment?
So we don't know for certain at this point whether trump was colluding with russia before after or during the campaign. What we do know for certain is that he fired Comey in a attempt to stop the Russia investigation and that he is now blackmailing the former FBI director on twitter. At this point even if he's not guilty of treason, he has to have crossed some sort of line by now.
[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;52218924]Can somebody post a writeup of every infraction Trump is potentially guilty of so far?[/QUOTE] Lesse... - Attempted to twice apply an unconstituitional immigration ban against Muslims - Unjustly enriching himself at the cost of the taxpayer by spending every single weekend at one of his own properties, usually Mar-a-Lago, instead of the White House which is custom-built to protect the President and is where most of the major investments into supporting and protecting the President have gone. - [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/05/11/nyc-hotel-owner-joins-lawsuit-against-trump-alleging-violation-of-emoluments-clause/"]Violating the emoluments clause of the constitution all over the shop[/URL] by co-/owning so many major hotels that it's nearly impossible for foreign dignitaries to [I]not[/I] patronize a Trump-owned business while visiting on diplomatic business unless the US expects foreign heads of state to settle with a room at the Motel 6 - In addition to direct emoluments violations, Trump is in conflicts of interest with his business holdings all over the place with domestic government enrichment and being able to make decisions that involve his businesses. The solution to this is to place everything into a blind trust that firewalls your business interests off and removes any decision-making power or information sharing; [URL="https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-pull-money-his-businesses-whenever-he-wants-without-telling-us"]Trump's business trust is [I]anything[/I] but blind and hands-off.[/URL] - A significant number of Trump's executive orders violate the constitution or the separation of powers in one way or another; [URL="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/04/25/california-judge-blocks-trump-order-sanctuary-city-money/100897066/"]his executive order demanding sanctuary cities cooperate with ICE or lose federal funding is straight-up invalid because only Congress can take away funding from a state.[/URL] [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/05/11/what-donald-trump-doesnt-understand-about-the-federal-government/"]It's quite possible Trump doesn't even know what the limits of the President's office are and thinks he can do anything.[/URL] - [URL="https://twitter.com/alexweprin/status/862446539503009793"]The moron accepted a personal request by Putin to let Russian agents into the Oval Office for photos.[/URL] Let's play spot the FSB agent! I can't even hope to come up with a conclusive list. He learned Flynn was likely compromised and only fired him when the story became public, days after it would have been appropriate to shitcan him for cause. On the other hand, he fired Sally Yates immediately for whistleblowing [I]responsibly[/I] on Flynn and his probable compromise by Russia. He fired Comey for getting too close to the Russia scandal, his administration made up conflicting stories before he proved they were all lies by personally admitting that Comey's firing was premeditated, and he is now threatening Comey with blackmail. Depending on how the Russia debacle turns out, it's possible that embezzlement, conspiracy, and treason might get added to the list.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52219064]And Trump has attempted to obstruct justice by firing the director FBI for his role in an investigation into [B]charges of treason[/B] against Trump and his administration, and then went on to publicly blackmail that person on threat of releasing incriminating "tapes" if he went to the press. Both of those are felonies. High crimes of office. I'm not defending Clinton here, he deserved to be ousted for lying as he did, but [I]why the fuck[/I] is Trump exempt from wrongdoing in your eyes despite the [B]objectively worse[/B] offenses?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52219071]Trump also lied under oath, obstructed justice, and committed another felony by blackmailing the director of the FBI on top of that. That's 3 crimes for one offense, so why aren't you acknowledging that the idiot's committed his own mistakes, and enough to get him arraigned on impeachment?[/QUOTE] Trump hasn't been under oath. The acting FBI director has stated that Comey's firing has not impeded the investigation at all. Also, where the hell are you getting "charges of treason" from. The FBI hasn't come out with any evidence confirming nor denying Trump's involvement with Russia, and the fact that Comey hasn't blown the whistle yet only supports the fact that [I]there is no evidence[/I].
Why do we think that anything is going to happen to Trump? With Comey gone, the FBI is at risk of being given a pro-Trump head, who could easily shut down any investigation. Not to mention that even if the FBI puts through something, why would the GOP get rid of their moneymaker? They'd have no reason to. I'd love it if he were impeached but a lot of the sources of his various wrongdoings are unnamed and unverifiable. If things were so obvious, why would they take so damned long to be presented? I just don't believe anything of note is going to be found or take place.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52219087]So we don't know for certain at this point whether trump was colluding with russia before after or during the campaign. What we do know for certain is that he fired Comey in a attempt to stop the Russia investigation and that he is now blackmailing the former FBI director on twitter. At this point even if he's not guilty of treason, he has to have crossed some sort of line by now.[/QUOTE] Blackmail is a felony full stop. Obstructive justice can be, depending on the circumstances. Both, however, are crimes of office and impeachable offenses. I'm about to fucking hit the streets over this. I've only attended a protest event once in my life, but I'm reaching a point where I can no longer stand by and watch this man so thoroughly abuse his office. This has extended [B]well[/B] past partisan disagreement. I will take [I]any[/I] other Republican over this man, because while I may disagree politically on most major tenants of the GOP platform, I can at least say with some confidence that I don't fear any other politician in the fold having seized power by treason, held on to that power by committing multiple high crimes of office, nor them having fantasies of tyranny and "strength," as defined by their adoration of despots like Putin, Hitler, and Kim Jong Un. Under any other Republican president, I fear for the policies we may see put into play. Under Trump, I fear for the very fuckin' fabric of our democratic system. Please, to all those people among the political right, look past the partisan squabbling and actually [I]notice[/I] what a massive threat Trump represents to our country.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219119]The acting FBI director has stated that Comey's firing has not impeded the investigation at all.[/QUOTE] Don't move the goalposts, it's plainly obvious that Trump has committed 3 federal offenses with the Comey affair alone, so why haven't you said anything on that front, but continue to harp on about Comey? Sure the investigation is still ongoing, sure Comey is a lying sack of shit who cost Clinton the election with his well timed release of that statement about Clinton's e-mails, but that doesn't mean Donald Trump isn't in big trouble for what he's managed to do by all but proving his guilt, by firing Comey and then threatening him.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219119]Trump hasn't been under oath. The acting FBI director has stated that Comey's firing has not impeded the investigation at all.[/QUOTE] Okay, so let me get this straight: 1) You believe that Clinton should have been impeached for lying about having sex, but not that Trump shold be impeached for lying about deliberately attempting to obstruct an investigation into charges of treason levied at him and his administration? 2) The actual fucking blackmail that is the subject of this thread, a felony offense, isn't even worth mentioning? Trump has committed two felonies. Two high crimes of office. And you're not even batting an eye? You're losing [I]any[/I] thin sense of credibility I might have afforded to you. I don't care what your political beliefs are: the shit that Trump has pulled in that past few days is completely indefensible from a legal, ethical, or moral standpoint. Set aside whether or not you even believe that Trump is guilty of treason with collusion and look at his actions in isolation for a second! He is obstructing justice, lying to the American people, and blackmailing people into silence. Regardless of your stance on the Russian question, those facts remain.
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;52219136]Don't move the goalposts, it's plainly obvious that Trump has committed 3 federal offenses with the Comey affair alone, so why haven't you said anything on that front, but continue to harp on about Comey? Sure the investigation is still ongoing, sure Comey is a lying sack of shit who cost Clinton the election with his well timed release of that statement about Clinton's e-mails, but that doesn't mean Donald Trump isn't in big trouble for what he's managed to do by all but proving his guilt, by firing Comey and then threatening him.[/QUOTE] Trump hasn't lied under oath, [I]because he hasn't been under oath[/I]. Trump hasn't obstructed justice because the acting FBI director has said the[I] investigation has not been effected[/I] by Comey's firing. First of all, blackmail includes [I]demanding money[/I], not warning someone against committing a far worse federal crime, leaking classified information. [editline]12th May 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52219144]Okay, so let me get this straight: 1) You believe that Clinton should have been impeached for lying about having sex, but not that Trump shold be impeached for lying about deliberately attempting to obstruct an investigation into charges of treason levied at him and his administration? 2) The actual fucking blackmail that is the subject of this thread, a felony offense, isn't even worth mentioning? Trump has committed two felonies. Two high crimes of office. And you're not even batting an eye? You're losing [I]any[/I] thin sense of credibility I might have afforded to you. I don't care what your political beliefs are: the shit that Trump has pulled in that past few days is completely indefensible from a legal, ethical, or moral standpoint. Set aside whether or not you even believe that Trump is guilty of treason with collusion and look at his actions in isolation for a second! He is obstructing justice, lying to the American people, and blackmailing people into silence. Regardless of your stance on the Russian question, those facts remain.[/QUOTE] You're a smart guy, I'm sure you understand the difference of under oath, and not under oath.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219153]Trump hasn't lied under oath, [I]because he hasn't been under oath[/I]. Trump hasn't obstructed justice because the acting FBI director has said the[I] investigation has not been effected[/I] by Comey's firing. First of all, blackmail includes [I]demanding money[/I], not warning someone against committing a far worse federal crime, leaking classified information.[/QUOTE] [quote]Blackmail is an act, often a crime, involving unjustified threats to make a gain (commonly money or property) or cause loss to another unless a demand is met.[/quote] No, it doesn't. It can be, but it doesn't have to be.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219153]Trump hasn't lied under oath, [I]because he hasn't been under oath[/I]. Trump hasn't obstructed justice because the acting FBI director has said the[I] investigation has not been effected[/I] by Comey's firing. First of all, blackmail is the act of [I]demanding money[/I], not warning someone against committing a far worse federal crime, leaking classified information.[/QUOTE] 1) Irrelevant. Trump has been caught lying to the American people. While being under oath may determine whether that, alone, is an impeachable offense, I don't know how you can brush it off as "no big deal." Trump is lying to you. He has been caught lying to you. Your president. Lying. Nothing, Ralgo? Not a shred of disgust here? 2) Does unsuccessfully obstructing an investigation change the fact that [I]he tried to obstruct the investigation[/I]? If I try to rob a bank but don't leave with any money, have I not committed a crime? Trump fired Comey because Comey was investigating him. He used his office and his power to attempt to crush an investigation into his alleged acts of treason. There is no way to spin this positively. He committed a high crime of office. That is an impeachable offense. How can you defend that? 3) Um, no, it's not. You can argue semantics all you want, but Trump tried to silence Comey by threatening to release incriminating "tapes" of him. That is blackmail. Full stop. Just because money didn't change hands doesn't mean it's not a felony, nor a high crime of office, nor an impeachable offense.
its weird to think about how trump is actually still in office after all this when 13 years ago Howard Dean's presidential bid crashed and burned because he yelled too loud after a campaign speech and it was considered unprofessional it gets harder and harder to take the office of president seriously with every passing day
[QUOTE=DogGunn;52218853]I don't understand why you Americans are not out in the streets protesting what is clearly a gross abuse of power. Hell even the dumbest non-trolling (looking at you T_D) must be thinking that he's fucking up badly. [editline]13th May 2017[/editline] Also it's embarrassing that anyone would consider voting for the republicans when they clearly have no spine to do anything about this.[/QUOTE] Americans don't really protest.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219153]Trump hasn't lied under oath, [I]because he hasn't been under oath[/I]. Trump hasn't obstructed justice because the acting FBI director has said the[I] investigation has not been effected[/I] by Comey's firing. First of all, blackmail includes [I]demanding money[/I], not warning someone against committing a far worse federal crime, leaking classified information. [editline]12th May 2017[/editline] You're a smart guy, I'm sure you understand the difference of under oath, and not under oath.[/QUOTE] I'm going to need you to respond to the points being made instead of seizing upon an irrelevant sidebar of a secondary point, thanks. Obstructing justice is a felony, a high crime, and an impeachable offense. Blackmail is a felony, a high crime, and an impeachable offense. Lying to you may not be, but it's secondary to the fact that Donald Trump just committed [B]two fucking felonies.[/B] God, you're thick.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;52219179]Americans don't really protest.[/QUOTE] Civil Rights Movement ring any bells? Anti Vietnam War protest? Anti-nuclear march? Million Woman March? Americans have protested very successfully many times.
I know this is serious but I'm laughing like an idiot. Holy fucking shit this guy isn't going to be president for much longer is he?
People are tiptoeing around this by calling it a veiled threat. Its an outright threat. Comey has no clue if conversations were recorded but has to assume they are. This is the president bullying the former director of the FBI into silence. The director he fired because of the Russia-Trump investigation. Its nothing short of despotic and the fact that people on this very board support it is terrifying. [QUOTE]Mr. Trump said on Friday morning that no one should expect his White House to give completely accurate information. “As a very active President with lots of things happening, it is not possible for my surrogates to stand at podium with perfect accuracy!” he wrote on Twitter.[/QUOTE] Is this real life
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219153]Trump hasn't lied under oath, [I]because he hasn't been under oath[/I].=[/QUOTE] that makes it ok to lie if. If you aren't under oath that is I'm so glad I'm a mod on FP!
To every single Trump voter out there who has ever wondered why Trump voters get a bad rap for being obtuse, dishonest, hypocritical, and cultish in devotion: people like Ralgo are why. I'm trying very hard to keep in mind that Ralgo does not actually represent all Trump voters, but [I]my god[/I] is frustrating to see the hoops he'll jump through to avoid having to face the reality that his cult leader might actually be a legitimate fucking threat. We have presented him with undeniable evidence that Trump has lied to him and the American people, that Trump has committed the felony act and high crime of obstructing justice, and that Trump has committed the felony act and high crime of blackmail. What is his response? He says, "well, Trump wasn't under oath when he lied, so it's okay," and completely ignores everything else. I can sit here and tell myself that Ralgo does not represent all Trump voters, but GOD would it be refreshing to see a Trump voter prove me wrong -- just once.
Trump needs to go. I don't even care about the Russian investigation . Lets just assume he didnt collude with Russia and just so happens to coincidentally surround himself with people who have. Lets assume the investigation ends at people like Flynn and Manafort. It doesn't matter. Threatening federal workers into silence goes well over the line for acceptable behavior for a public official.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52219174]1) Irrelevant. Trump has been caught lying to the American people. While being under oath may determine whether that, alone, is an impeachable offense, I don't know how you can brush it off as "no big deal." Trump is lying to you. He has been caught lying to you. Your president. Lying. Nothing, Ralgo? Not a shred of disgust here? 2) Does unsuccessfully obstructing an investigation change the fact that [I]he tried to obstruct the investigation[/I]? If I try to rob a bank but don't leave with any money, have I not committed a crime? Trump fired Comey because Comey was investigating him. He used his office and his power to attempt to crush an investigation into his alleged acts of treason. There is no way to spin this positively. He committed a high crime of office. That is an impeachable offense. How can you defend that? 3) Um, no, it's not. You can argue semantics all you want, but Trump tried to silence Comey by threatening to release incriminating "tapes" of him. That is blackmail. Full stop. Just because money didn't change hands doesn't mean it's not a felony, nor a high crime of office, nor an impeachable offense.[/QUOTE] 1) I don't think he lied about his motives firing Comey, the "this russia thing" article is absolute bullshit nitpicking three words out of a sentence that had a completely different meaning. 2) We are talking about impeachable offences right? Trump has stated his reasoning behind firing Comey, and obstructing the investigation was not one of them. [I]The standing FBI director supports that claim[/I]. 3) Trump is warning Comey against leaking classified information, which is a federal crime. Trump says tapes of [I]their[/I] conversations, perhaps warning Comey about making up lies to the press that Trump would be able to refute with [I]video[/I] evidence.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;52218959]But Trump praised Comey for doing that on several occasions during the campaign[/QUOTE] I don't know if you've noticed or not, but Trump says a [I]lot[/I] of things.
[media]https://twitter.com/GioBenitez/status/863047385173372928/photo/1[/media] Fucking lmao
If Trump isn't lying he's a fucking idiot who self incriminated himself
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