• Trump Warns Comey and Says He May Cancel Press Briefings
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[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219226] 3) Trump is warning Comey against leaking classified information, which is a federal crime. Trump says tapes of [I]their[/I] conversations, perhaps warning Comey about making up lies to the press that Trump would be able to refute with [I]video[/I] evidence.[/QUOTE] I fucking love this. Trump supporters are incredible. You piss and bitch and moan about the liberal media taking things Trump said out of context but have no problems adding context to Trumps ramblings to make them seem sensical. The original tweet had nothing to do with classified information. You are just making shit up. By the way if Trump does have those tapes they can be subpoenaed.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52219248]I fucking love this. Trump supporters are incredible. You piss and bitch and moan about the liberal media taking things Trump said out of context but have no problems adding context to Trumps ramblings to make them seem sensical. The original tweet had nothing to do with classified information. You are just making shit up. By the way if Trump does have those tapes they can be subpoenaed.[/QUOTE] I agree that Trump says stupid shit on twitter. But that's all this was, whats new? Can you really honestly believe that Trump is trying to [I]blackmail[/I] Comey over [I]Twitter[/I]?
[QUOTE=Lambeth;52219239]If Trump isn't lying he's a fucking idiot who self incriminated himself[/QUOTE] there has to be some kind of nefarious endgame here, there's no way someone could be this dumb
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219271]I agree that Trump says stupid shit on twitter. But that's all this was, whats new? Can you really honestly believe that Trump is trying to [I]blackmail[/I] Comey over [I]Twitter[/I]?[/QUOTE] Yes. Why is that hard to believe when his actions literally point to that? How many fucking hoops are you going to jump through for him?
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219271]Can you really honestly believe that Trump is trying to [I]blackmail[/I] Comey over [I]Twitter[/I]?[/QUOTE] Yes
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219271]I agree that Trump says stupid shit on twitter. But that's all this was, whats new? Can you really honestly believe that Trump is trying to [I]blackmail[/I] Comey over [I]Twitter[/I]?[/QUOTE] He explicitly blackmailed him over Twitter.
Trump is acting like a thug and congress is not taking this shit lightly. He may have just opened himself up for a good political railing.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;52219204]People are tiptoeing around this by calling it a veiled threat. Its an outright threat. Comey has no clue if conversations were recorded but has to assume they are. This is the president bullying the former director of the FBI into silence. The director he fired because of the Russia-Trump investigation. Its nothing short of despotic and the fact that people on this very board support it is terrifying. Is this real life[/QUOTE] I'm not sure of what the laws are in that particular region regarding audio recordings of conversations, but I know that in many places it requires consent to be recorded. In which case, if Trump DOES have "tapes", and Comey didn't know about it, then Comey didn't give consent, in which case Trump has committed [I]another[/I] crime. *Edit* Turns out he has not. [url]http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/district-columbia-recording-law[/url]
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219271]Can you really honestly believe that Trump is trying to [I]blackmail[/I] Comey over [I]Twitter[/I]?[/QUOTE] Kinda a bizarre sentence to think about, but yes. Hell Trump was conducting foreign policy in 140 characters or less with the Far East countries.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52219216]To every single Trump voter out there who has ever wondered why Trump voters get a bad rap for being obtuse, dishonest, hypocritical, and cultish in devotion: people like Ralgo are why. I'm trying very hard to keep in mind that Ralgo does not actually represent all Trump voters, but [I]my god[/I] is frustrating to see the hoops he'll jump through to avoid having to face the reality that his cult leader might actually be a legitimate fucking threat. We have presented him with undeniable evidence that Trump has lied to him and the American people, that Trump has committed the felony act and high crime of obstructing justice, and that Trump has committed the felony act and high crime of blackmail. What is his response? He says, "well, Trump wasn't under oath when he lied, so it's okay," and completely ignores everything else. I can sit here and tell myself that Ralgo does not represent all Trump voters, but GOD would it be refreshing to see a Trump voter prove me wrong -- just once.[/QUOTE] I think the important distinction here is that there is a possible gap between Trump [I]voters[/I] and Trump [I]supporters[/I]. People who voted for Trump very possibly did so only because he wasn't Hillary, after all, and there are reports of many of his voters being disappointed with his performance, some even having regrets. [I]Supporters[/I], on the other hand, are the ones you and I see that seem stand by him no matter what.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219271]I agree that Trump says stupid shit on twitter. But that's all this was, whats new? Can you really honestly believe that Trump is trying to [I]blackmail[/I] Comey over [I]Twitter[/I]?[/QUOTE] [url=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/863007411132649473][img]http://puu.sh/vNTs0/610659c4ad.png[/img][/url] Would you mind telling me how the hell else this is supposed to be interpreted? These are his exact words. Straight from the horse's ass This is a threat. And not even a thickly veiled one. The direct implication is that there are recordings of potentially sensitive conversations between Donald Trump and James Comey, and that if James Comey is to speak with the press those recordings could potentially be released to his detriment [quote=Wikipedia][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail]Blackmail[/url] is an act, often a crime, involving unjustified threats to make a gain (commonly money or property) or cause loss to another unless a demand is met. [B]Essentially, it is coercion involving threats to reveal substantially true or false information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates, or threats of physical harm or criminal prosecution.[/B][/quote] Does this not fit the definition of blackmail? [editline]Hyenas[/editline] I'm once again finding it interesting how Trump was and is often praised for saying what he means and speaking his mind, and yet the most common theme I see in Trump discussions is how far people need to go in order to explain what he [I]really[/I] meant by this and what he [I]meant[/I] to say by that
[QUOTE=Cone;52219272]there has to be some kind of nefarious endgame here, there's no way someone could be this dumb[/QUOTE] if this were a rare occurrence of weirdly out-there actions, it'd be a definite possibility, but there's just no way he's bumbled this hard nonstop on purpose. This whole thing has been a shitshow and I don't understand how nothing's happened sooner, even with him filling the swamp with people who we now know he probably asked directly for unquestionable loyalty like he did of comey. If the tapes exist proving he asks this of people before granting/revoking power around him, this knocks down all of those bowling pins and in a larger narrative, sounds like he's fucking planning to flop us into a dictatorship
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219226]1) I don't think he lied about his motives firing Comey, the "this russia thing" article is absolute bullshit nitpicking three words out of a sentence that had a completely different meaning.[/quote] Can you elaborate on this one? With quotes like these: [quote]Earlier Thursday, White House deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said the Comey firing may hasten the agency's investigation into Russian meddling. "We want this to come to its conclusion, we want it to come to its conclusion with integrity," she said, referring to the FBI's probe into Moscow's interference in last year's election. "And we think that we've actually, by removing Director Comey, taken steps to make that happen."[/quote] [quote]“And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said: ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.’”[/quote] How is the context not [I]clearly[/I] that they removed him to damage the investigation? [QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219226]2) We are talking about impeachable offences right? Trump has stated his reasoning behind firing Comey, and obstructing the investigation was not one of them. [I]The standing FBI director supports that claim[/I].[/quote] This argument is not logically sound. According to you, the standing FBI director said the [I]"investigation has not been effected"[/I]. That is not the same as saying there wasn't/isn't an attempt to damage it. And Trump directly stated that he thought of the investigation when he decided to fire Comey, so I'm not sure how you can say damaging the investigation wasn't his objective.
Oh my fucking god people are still trying to defend him on this forum?
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52219325]Oh my fucking god people are still trying to defend him on this forum?[/QUOTE] Trump could whip his dick out during a rally and take a slash on the front row and there'd still be a retarded subset of Trump supporters defending him.
I really don't understand how one could take everything that Trump has done and said over the past few days and just wave it off as "he's just being goofy on Twitter!"
[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;52219325]Oh my fucking god people are still trying to defend him on this forum?[/QUOTE] Write them off. They're the same as Trump and the rest of the administration: enemies to us, the American people, and to our country. Stupidity is not an acceptable excuse anymore, given what's at stake here.
[QUOTE=Zero-Point;52219294]I'm not sure of what the laws are in that particular region are regarding audio recordings of conversations, but I know that in many places it requires consent to be recorded. In which case, if Trump DOES have "tapes", and Comey didn't know about it, then Comey didn't give consent, in which case Trump has committed [I]another[/I] crime.[/QUOTE] We've moved from has trump committed a crime to how many crimes has trump committed, amazing
[QUOTE=Govna;52219343]Write them off. They're the same as Trump and the rest of the administration: enemies to us, the American people, and to our country. Stupidity is not an acceptable excuse anymore, given what's at stake here.[/QUOTE] then what do we do
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;52219347]then what do we do[/QUOTE] [img]http://i.imgur.com/FJUtZD1.png[/img] after the last comey thread this was sorely needed by some people, absolute broken record of people trying to explain the same things to the same people. It doesn't solve problems, but neither does trying to explain things to people who refuse to accept information that contradicts their preferred narrative
IF this doesnt' show that the American political system is broken, I don't know what does. [B][I]If Trump was the leader of any other country he'd have been impeached and voted out right now.[/I][/B]
I'll agree with you all once Trump is actually impeached. He hasn't been charged, and I highly doubt he will be impeached. Because I hope that we can all agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty under the US court of law.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219391]I'll agree with you all once Trump is actually impeached. He hasn't been charged, and I highly doubt he will be impeached. Because [B]in the end, everyone is innocent until proven guilty[/B].[/QUOTE] Stating that as an absolute bends reality into absurdity. "I saw that man take a chainsaw to that other man's head - but since he's not charged I guess he's not guilty of anything." Saying you'll agree once he's impeached means you have no faith in anyone's arguments whatsoever, which means you won't actually agree even then. The mindset you have now will just lead to you saying in that possible future "Those charges were bullshit, so I think he's guilty of nothing." even after he's been charged and impeached. If you're serious about it, Toxx-clause that you'll agree if/when he's impeached.
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219391]I'll agree with you all once Trump is actually impeached. He hasn't been charged, and I highly doubt he will be impeached. Because I hope that we can all agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty under the US court of law.[/QUOTE] keywords being 'under the US Court of Law' unless you're part of that process you're under no obligation to [I]treat[/I] people as if they're innocent until proven guilty or believe that they are
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219391]I'll agree with you all once Trump is actually impeached. He hasn't been charged, and I highly doubt he will be impeached. Because I hope that we can all agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty under the US court of law.[/QUOTE] Do you understand the incredible catch 22 of the guy in office trying to stop the investigation into himself? How are you so god damn placid about this?
[QUOTE=MrRalgoman;52219391]I'll agree with you all once Trump is actually impeached. He hasn't been charged, and I highly doubt he will be impeached. Because I hope that we can all agree that everyone is innocent until proven guilty under the US court of law.[/QUOTE] This is such a goddamn non argument Innocent until proven guilty is all well and good but do you seriously think that just because he hasn't been dragged to court and convicted yet there is absolutely nothing questionable about what he said? I mean, again: [QUOTE=Sitkero;52219305][url=https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/863007411132649473][img]http://puu.sh/vNTs0/610659c4ad.png[/img][/url] Would you mind telling me how the hell else this is supposed to be interpreted? These are his exact words. Straight from the horse's ass This is a threat. And not even a thickly veiled one. The direct implication is that there are recordings of potentially sensitive conversations between Donald Trump and James Comey, and that if James Comey is to speak with the press those recordings could potentially be released to his detriment [quote=Wikipedia][url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackmail]Blackmail[/url] is an act, often a crime, involving unjustified threats to make a gain (commonly money or property) or cause loss to another unless a demand is met. [B]Essentially, it is coercion involving threats to reveal substantially true or false information about a person to the public, a family member, or associates, or threats of physical harm or criminal prosecution.[/B][/quote] Does this not fit the definition of blackmail? [editline]Hyenas[/editline] I'm once again finding it interesting how Trump was and is often praised for saying what he means and speaking his mind, and yet the most common theme I see in Trump discussions is how far people need to go in order to explain what he [I]really[/I] meant by this and what he [I]meant[/I] to say by that[/QUOTE]
After making the rounds in PMs with the resident Trump Clan, none have budged in the slightest in their irrational defense of him. Most have doubled down, even. Disappointing and frustrating, but not surprising.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52219483]After making the rounds in PMs with the resident Trump Clan, none have budged in the slightest in their irrational defense of him. Most have doubled down, even. Disappointing and frustrating, but not surprising.[/QUOTE] I don't think there is a breaking point for these people. I genuinely think Trump could execute someone they care about on the street, and they'd still find a way to make that into "MAGA".
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52219483]After making the rounds in PMs with the resident Trump Clan, none have budged in the slightest in their irrational defense of him. Most have doubled down, even. Disappointing and frustrating, but not surprising.[/QUOTE] Well if he ever is found guilty of treason/collusion with Russia, you can always enjoy the slightly petty deep satisfaction from how much trump supporter's will have egg on their face [editline]e[/editline] not just egg in fact but a complete, fully cooked omelette seasoned with salt
[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;52219491]Well if he ever is found guilty of treason/collusion with Russia, you can always enjoy the slightly petty deep satisfaction from how much trump supporter's will have egg on their face [editline]e[/editline] not just egg in fact but a complete, fully cooked omelette seasoned with salt[/QUOTE] At this point I don't think anything could ever shake t_d's faith in their Dear Leader It would be twisted around as a kangaroo court and phony conviction built on lies and slander and he'd be treated as a martyr
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