• Trump Warns Comey and Says He May Cancel Press Briefings
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[QUOTE=BlindSniper17;52220032]What's really sad is that, even if they want to use the [I]"b-b-b-b-b-but other Presidents did that too!"[/I], wouldn't that invalidate their claims that Trump was different because he was a political outsider that had no motivation to succumb to corruption and wanted to "drain the swamp"?[/QUOTE] Also not to mention that many of the things done by presidents in the past were considered good at the time, but are morally reprehensible by modern society's standards. (Japanese internment, etc)
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;52219483]After making the rounds in PMs with the resident Trump Clan, none have budged in the slightest in their irrational defense of him. Most have doubled down, even. Disappointing and frustrating, but not surprising.[/QUOTE] Please, do tell me more. Now I'm genuinely curious
is it even possible for trump to be impeached? i mean it hasn't happened yet and he still does dumb shit like this and hes still at the helm of the united states.
Much like lawsuits, I'm under the impression they could impeach him for anything they'd like -- it's making the argument stick that's the hard part.
As long as the republican party stand by him impeachment is impossible.
[quote] impeachment [/quote] lol, no. Histrionics, much? Bush started [I]an illegal war[/I] and got more than a million civilians killed, and now paints puppies and soldiers in abject comfort with permanent bodyguards and a nice fat two hundred k stipend per year generously paid by John and Joan Q. taxpayer. Trump will have to physically murder his wife in public to be impeached.
I don't have anywhere else to express this thought so I guess I'll do it here. I wonder where they'll put Trump if they actually get him for treason. ADX? That'd be un fucking real.
[QUOTE=Banned?;52221338]I don't have anywhere else to express this thought so I guess I'll do it here. I wonder where they'll put Trump if they actually get him for treason. ADX? That'd be un fucking real.[/QUOTE] I can't imagine he would go somewhere where they can't keep track of everything does and everyone he so much as looks at. As president, I am sure he is privy to some important details that they don't want getting out...
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52220260]Unfortunately giving into such cynicism is what will ensure he will be. Take your self-fulfilling prophecy and shove it.[/QUOTE] Do you want to know why Americans won't mobilize against this administration? It's because deep down they want to be ruled by a "Leviathan". A dictator who will make them feel safe. Americans want to see misfortune and violence come to the poor, the marginalized, those who are smarter or more educated than they are. Because they feel that their ignorance is as important as someone else's knowledge.
I think a saner explanation is that people are tired and are distracted by all the problems in their life. Add to that rocking the boat may cost you your job in this socially-powered age of the internet and you get a lot of people who might want to protest -- but aren't in the financial situation to really invest in. Those folks aren't going to start showing up until lots of other folks start a crowd -- which leaves it all in a chicken vs. egg-type situation where they're all waiting for each other to show up before they'll show up.
[QUOTE=Mr. Sarcastic;52221544]Do you want to know why Americans won't mobilize against this administration?[/QUOTE] no its probably because someone has to start the movement. when someone starts it you need people who will follow it, then you need a bunch of people to follow them. like the post above puts it, the people don't rise up over night, sometimes it takes decades in much shittier circumstances to have the people rise up against the administration.
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[QUOTE=Corndog Ninja;52220247]I hate that I'm becoming such a cynic but at this point it's hard not to be. I mean, Trump hasn't shown any sign of slowing down and has faced zero pushback from his base, and no matter how hard Colbert/Noah/Maher/Meyers/Bee/Olbermann "demolish" what he's doing and no matter how many "Sir! Have you no sense of decency, sir?" tweetstorms get dumped in his replies nothing is going to change.[/QUOTE] The Republican platform is filled with positions that the vast majority of Americans oppose. The only reason they keep winning elections is because there is no organized political opposition. I might sound like a broken record, but again it is absolutely crucial that we all turn out in 2018 and vote these heartless bastards out of office. The conservative oligarchy wants us to believe we are powerless, that it's not even worth trying to fight back, but the truth is that we can and must fight back and win. If we organize, support independent progressive media, attend town halls, and vote, I have no doubt that we can beat these fuckers.
[QUOTE=mcharest;52222131]The Republican platform is filled with positions that the vast majority of Americans oppose. The only reason they keep winning elections is because there is no organized political opposition. I might sound like a broken record, but again it is absolutely crucial that we all turn out in 2018 and vote these heartless bastards out of office. The conservative oligarchy wants us to believe we are powerless, that it's not even worth trying to fight back, but the truth is that we can and must fight back and win. If we organize, support independent progressive media, attend town halls, and vote, I have no doubt that we can beat these fuckers.[/QUOTE] That's a nice idea, but have you heard of gerrymandering?
About gerrymandering: It can still be overwhelmed by population if people get involved and if there's a loss of faith. In the presidential election 63 million voted for Trump, 73.5 million voted against; that's 136.5 million US citizens. However, we have 321 million citizens in the country; even if only 80% of them voted, that'd be 257 million citizens, which is almost double the amount of people who voted in total for the elections - that's potentially 2:1 votes for Democrats even in heavy republican districts. You can defeat gerrymandering - all it takes is getting everyone to vote or for people to question their loyalties. Trump's doing a great job of the latter but if you really want to shake it up, people are going to need to do the former as well. Beyond that, you could also poison pill it and tell everyone to vote and run Republican.
[QUOTE=Firgof Umbra;52221791]I think a saner explanation is that people are tired and are distracted by all the problems in their life. Add to that rocking the boat may cost you your job in this socially-powered age of the internet and you get a lot of people who might want to protest -- but aren't in the financial situation to really invest in. Those folks aren't going to start showing up until lots of other folks start a crowd -- which leaves it all in a chicken vs. egg-type situation where they're all waiting for each other to show up before they'll show up.[/QUOTE] That and at this point I'm guessing people are also waiting to see if this investigation actually goes anywhere or if Trump one day ends up completely shitting the bed and getting himself impeached.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;52219273]Yes. Why is that hard to believe when his actions literally point to that? How many fucking hoops are you going to jump through for him?[/QUOTE] You know, I've been going through Terry Pratchett's Guards! Guards! again, and there's a quote that really reminds me of the mindset of people who still continue to support Trump: [quote]Down there - he said - are people who will follow any dragon, worship any god, ignore any inequity. All out of a kind of humdrum, everyday badness. Not the really high, creative loathsomeness of the great sinners, but a sort of mass-produced darkness of the soul. Sin, you might say, without a trace of originality. They accept evil not because they say yes, but because they don't say no.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;52219865]the only way trump could ever lose support would be if he personally punched each and every one of his supporters in the face and even then every unpunched supporter would be laughing at the people ahead of them in the queue[/QUOTE] No, they would be honored that their god punched them in the face. And then they will blame Obama and/or Hillary for that. In fact, I think even if every murderous dictator or leader from Napoleon to Stalin and KJU supported Trump, they would find some way to insist that Hillary(or the Democrats) would be worse. At this point, it seems not even blackmail and treason would be enough.
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