Georgia law allows guns in some schools, bars, churches
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I'm OK with this, not like anyone that goes through the courses, training, and certification for a CCW are gonna be the kind that are gonna give it up by shooting someone for reasons other than self-defense. I bet gun control advocates everywhere are screaming in rage and fury, when in reality this is better than the old defense method of telling your attacker that having a gun is illegal on the premises.
[quote]Airports: people can carry their weapons into common areas before any security checks[/quote]
but where the hell are they going to put their guns [I]after[/I] they want to go board a plane.
i mean its not like you can transport that gun if you're leaving on a plane
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44629075]Simple: you can only open carry during hunting season and with a valid hunting license.
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That would be a logical solution and politicians don't work with logical solutions.
I don't see why anyone would have a problem with the church one. Private institutions should be able to allow or prohibit guns on their premises, even if there's no law saying so.
[QUOTE=draugur;44627903]Ban open carry in general. Open carry is stupid and honestly only paints you as a target to someone who would be shooting other people. Also we should ban all forms of weapons in bars, drugs and weapons are NOT a good combination.[/QUOTE]
People that do Open Carry are usually pretty responsible. The Target deal is possible, but that is the Owner's choice of which he or she is free to make.
[QUOTE=draugur;44627903]Georgia, you're a really stupid state.[/QUOTE]
Georgia is a lovely State with a lot of History, calling it stupid over some Open Carry laws goes a bit far.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44628336]Honestly I can't say your wrong, they obviously don't stop school shootings. However, have you been in a public school recently? Can you honestly say giving guns to people who freak out over a child eating a pop tart into a gun-like shape, is a good idea?
I think something needs to be done, and I'm not educated enough to know specifically what, but I do know giving teachers guns is a nightmare waiting to happen.[/QUOTE]
Trying to demonize weapons through zero tolerance policies and actually shooting a kid for enjoying himself while eating pop-tarts in weapon shapes are two different, stupid things.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44628526]If I have to choose, I suppose attention whoring. I was going to say, "It's a joke, learn to laugh" but you'd just say, "have you tried being funny?" and the problem isn't that you don't find funny what I think is funny. The problem is you lack any kind of reading comprehension. I've actually considered dumbing down my posts for people like you (not that my posts need to be dumbed down anymore than they already are) but I really don't feel replacing my above post with something like,
will actually improve the quality of my posts.[/QUOTE]
First and foremost- There were no remarkable signs of an actual joke in your post. In this case I'll just leave [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law]this URL here for you to have a read[/url]. In the proposed 'blasé Comrade_Eko' however, v:v:v clearly denotes the tone of the post as something meant to be funny, instead of taken seriously.
Also I'd really love if you could prove to me that, in the post you quoted, I lacked 'reading comprehension' somewhere, otherwise you're just pointlessly trying to dismiss my post by trying to label me with negative qualifiers, ones I'm pretty sure you'll have trouble finding solid evidences to prove.
Bars and churches, ok, fair
but schools, what the fuck dude
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44628764]Where did I say that? I was implying that they don't have to worry about facing any sort of penalty when they're either hunting, walking to and from their home or vehicle, or carrying their firearm into a store for whatever reason.
Trust me bud, I'm not a fud who only cares about hunting. And just like you, when I travel with my firearms, I keep my handguns cased with mags in a separate container, my rifles cased with the mags and bolts out, and my bolt guns have the bolts out if the mags are non-detachable.
Open carry isn't designed to protect people who want to carry a handgun on their hip into walmart. People take advantage of laws like that just like any other prick would take advantage of a law.
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Most small bars are going to have either a handgun under the bar or a SBS waiting for someone stupid enough to walk in with a handgun with bad intent.[/QUOTE]
Bartender having a gun =/= bar patrons having a gun. Mainly because bartenders are supposed to be sober.
[QUOTE=draugur;44629240]Bartender having a gun =/= bar patrons having a gun. Mainly because bartenders are supposed to be sober.[/QUOTE]
I can tell you from experience that they aren't always sober, but they usually handle their liquor well and only have a little bit
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44629247]I dunno, would you try to shoot up the school that has like 15 armed, trained teachers? It'd be interesting to see how well this works. It's not perfect, but it might provide a stop gap measure to help.[/QUOTE]
It's good and bad really
on one hand less school shootings
on the other hand I feel like there's going to be a good number of teachers that would pull a full retard
Good and bad for Georgia.
Schools and Churches, good idea. (Implying the concealed carriers have the required permits, but i'm sure they do.)
Bars, not too good. Being drunk is impairing your vision, and also common sense. (People also get angry easily.) Having a concealed weapon and being drunk only gives the Anti-gun nuts a reason to prove whatever ignorant point they're trying to make.
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44629263]I dunno, getting a CCW along with other training should pretty decently weed out the "full retard" potential.
And who knows, maybe the kids will act better too (mostly joking)[/QUOTE]
lets just hope some idiot kid doesn't try and get a gun from a teacher because that could fuck this up for everyone
we wouldn't need guns in school if we actually dealt with bullying and didn't have these bullshit laws and "zero tolerance rules" like it all should be, same goes for the media not basically turning shooters into "Action Heroes"
[QUOTE=ilikecorn;44629247]I dunno, would you try to shoot up the school that has like 15 armed, trained teachers? It'd be interesting to see how well this works. It's not perfect, but it might provide a stop gap measure to help.[/QUOTE]
School shootings aren't just done because someone decides one day to just go and blast some kids away. A majority of them happen to have been bullied students at said school who snapped and decided to get a little revenge during their last dance. And when you've reached that point mentally, it isn't much of a concern if you get shot or not, you're going to die by the end, your hand or not.
[QUOTE=J!NX;44629258]It's good and bad really
on one hand less school shootings
on the other hand I feel like there's going to be a good number of teachers that would pull a full retard[/QUOTE]
On what basis would you assume that? If a teacher is going to be allowed to CC while he's inside a school, then they're going to make doubly sure he's not going to be the type of teacher that would pull a gun on a kid for cheating on a quiz.
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You know what, I'm wrong. I noticed the more serious I get the more I unintentionally shitpost. My apologies.
i'm not sure how i feel about schools a teacher in paulding was arrested back when my girlfriend went there for trying to "coerce" one of her friends into doing sexual acts. if they had guns i imagine it might be worse.
i'm in support of it because of the fact that it provides added security to people in those areas, at the same time i'm a little uneasy knowing how many sick fucks there are in the world.
[QUOTE=TheKingofBees;44629911]i'm not sure how i feel about schools a teacher in paulding was arrested back when my girlfriend went there for trying to "coerce" one of her friends into doing sexual acts. if they had guns i imagine it might be worse. [/QUOTE]
The type of teacher thats going to be allowed to CC isn't going to be the type of teacher to rape a student.
Get this into your heads; If a school is going to let a teacher or staff member CC, they're going to make sure they're more than capable of safely CC'ing and not making any stupid decisions.
Too me, there isn't anything wrong with this. It just broadens where people can carry. To critics, I say that regardless of laws anywhere in the nation, there will always be number of people carrying and you wouldn't even know it.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;44627954]Trained and prepared school staff, I understand.
Churches, almost expected.
But bars? [B]No.[/B] Alcohol and firearms are [B][U]never[/U][/B] a good combination.[/QUOTE]
Sort of like how cars and alcohol don't mix, but people drive drunk anyways?
[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;44629945]The type of teacher thats going to be allowed to CC isn't going to be the type of teacher to rape a student.
Get this into your heads; If a school is going to let a teacher or staff member CC, they're going to make sure they're more than capable of safely CC'ing and not making any stupid decisions.[/QUOTE]
So which 'type of teacher' is likely to rape a student then?
Who the fuck needs to bring a gun to school or church or a bar. Just leave that shit at home or in your car.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;44630478]Who the fuck needs to bring a gun to school or church or a bar. Just leave that shit at home or in your car.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre[/url]
Reason why CHL exists in Texas.
I'm perfectly fine with this. It's up to the Church, schools, etc to choose, and the schools require training. Pretty good idea. The guns in bars thing sounds much worse than it really is, having been in a bar when a situation occurred were a gun would've been fucking nice kind of changed my mind on it. I'm not fully ok with the idea of drunks with guns, but to be honest, leaving them in the truck doesn't make it all better. Anyway in order to conceal carry you have to go through classes, and you learn all about the types of shit that will happen to you, if you act like an idiot with you concealed handgun. Keeping that in mind before you go out, you tend to think more about it.
[QUOTE=Pilot1215;44637970]I'm perfectly fine with this. It's up to the Church, schools, etc to choose, and the schools require training. Pretty good idea. The guns in bars thing sounds much worse than it really is, having been in a bar when a situation occurred were a gun would've been fucking nice kind of changed my mind on it. I'm not fully ok with the idea of drunks with guns, but to be honest, leaving them in the truck doesn't make it all better. Anyway in order to conceal carry you have to go through classes, and you learn all about the types of shit that will happen to you, if you act like an idiot with you concealed handgun. Keeping that in mind before you go out, you tend to think more about it.[/QUOTE]
I know here in louisiana, IF YOU HAVE A CCW PERMIT, you are legally considered under the influence at .05 instead of .08 like normal folk. That means if you have a CCW permit here, and blow a .06, you are going to jail for DUI, regardless if you are carrying or not. You are expected to be an outstanding and responsible member of society. Having a concealed carry permit is a totally different life than most people think it is, because one wrong decision and you're going to jail without even having the gun on you....
Is the bar thing for staff only? That wouldn't be bad.
[QUOTE=Keelwar;44641098]Is the bar thing for staff only? That wouldn't be bad.[/QUOTE]
A lot of bars do it anyway, even over here our at our local pub the owner has a double barrel shotgun under the counter, he put it there ever since a load of travelers came in and smashed the place up, they glassed a barman too and blinded him.
[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;44628336]Honestly I can't say your wrong, they obviously don't stop school shootings. However, have you been in a public school recently? Can you honestly say giving guns to people who freak out over a child eating a pop tart into a gun-like shape, is a good idea?
I think something needs to be done, and I'm not educated enough to know specifically what, but I do know giving teachers guns is a nightmare waiting to happen.[/QUOTE]
A teacher that is stupid enough to freak out over a gun shaped pop tart likely isn't going to be applying for a CCW permit anytime soon...
I say good on them..
Not many criminals take the time to get a Concealed Carry permit before they ILLEGALLY murder someone...
Of course people are going to cry and say shit like, "There's going to be blood on the streets of Georgia!!"
Guess what.
Chicago just legalized concealed carry by force of the supreme court.
Chicago's homicide rate is currently at the lowest it's been since 1958.
A mere coincidence to those that are hard of thinking realistically. (IE, the mayor of Chicago and all his cronies)
[QUOTE=Berque-IL;44646415]A teacher that is stupid enough to freak out over a gun shaped pop tart likely isn't going to be applying for a CCW permit anytime soon...
I say good on them..
Not many criminals take the time to get a Concealed Carry permit before they ILLEGALLY murder someone...
Of course people are going to cry and say shit like, "There's going to be blood on the streets of Georgia!!"
Guess what.
Chicago just legalized concealed carry by force of the supreme court.
Chicago's homicide rate is currently at the lowest it's been since 1958.
A mere coincidence to those that are hard of thinking realistically. (IE, the mayor of Chicago and all his cronies)[/QUOTE]
I'm going to wait until the end of the summer to be praising Illinois' CCW laws, it's much more likely that there were fewer homicides so far this year because it's been colder and with more snow compared to last, and bad weather like that stifles gang activity. The real test comes at the end of the summer, after all the gangs have had every opportunity to be out shooting people in good, warm weather.
[QUOTE=DaCommie1;44646507]I'm going to wait until the end of the summer to be praising Illinois' CCW laws, it's much more likely that there were fewer homicides so far this year because it's been colder and with more snow compared to last, and bad weather like that stifles gang activity. The real test comes at the end of the summer, after all the gangs have had every opportunity to be out shooting people in good, warm weather.[/QUOTE]
Let's sit back and watch the show then I guess.
Freedom reigns in Georgia. Good going guys, but we need to fix New York and California next.
[QUOTE=James*;44630383]So which 'type of teacher' is likely to rape a student then?[/QUOTE]
I can't really say cause I've never met one and I have minimal experience with psychology, but I'd be willing to bet it's not the same type of teacher that would be allowed to carry a weapon while he's teaching.
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