• PS Plus prices getting raised, USA unaffected
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PS+ is a cool way to get access to loads of games for a subscription fee. But locking Multiplayer behind PS+ just like Xbox takes away one of their advantages. Maybe if there was like a 1/4 price sub for just accessing multiplayer without the PS+ stuff?
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46151048]$60 once per year, the equivalent of three hours of work (not even a whole shift!), woopty fucking doo. I pay more than that, $75, every [I]month[/I] for my Internet.[/QUOTE] I made like $21 in three hours. :(
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46151482]"It's [I]only[/I] x amount!" Is not a good excuse. Sorry, from today forward, you owe me 5 dollars every month. But don't worry, that's only a few hours of work, no biggie. Doesn't even matter, right? If you want to use that excuse, you have no excuse not to donate to charity. Since you only have to donate a small amount, just a few hours of work, really.[/QUOTE] Sure, I'll gladly give you 5 bucks a month if you give me something in return such as 70 games a year. Turn off your lights more often, use power saving features on electronics, use led bulbs, and adjust the thermostat by 2 degrees and gain 70 games a year. Seems like its more than worth it for the games alone. The discounts and other crap are just bonuses to me. Will never understand how people cannot see the insane deal that it is. [editline]4th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=IrishBandit;46151496]PS+ is a cool way to get access to loads of games for a subscription fee. But locking Multiplayer behind PS+ just like Xbox takes away one of their advantages. Maybe if there was like a 1/4 price sub for just accessing multiplayer without the PS+ stuff?[/QUOTE] That is a good idea. PS+ lite for $2 a month. I can't figure out why people wouldn't want 70 games for less than the price of 1 game, but that's their loss. More options are good, even if they are a bad value.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46151714] Turn off your lights more often, use power saving features on electronics, use led bulbs, and adjust the thermostat by 2 degrees and gain 70 games a year. Seems like its more than worth it for the games alone. [/QUOTE] Are you seriously saying people should adjust their lifestyle just to buy a subscription for some games? That's some crazy Ken Kutaragi "people will want to work two jobs just to get our console" shit.
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46151850]Are you seriously saying people should adjust their lifestyle just to buy a subscription for some games? That's some crazy Ken Kutaragi "people will want to work two jobs just to get our console" shit.[/QUOTE] Did you use Xbox live prior to the addition of games for gold? And the fact you think suggesting people remember to turn off the lights when leaving the room, replace the 4 or 5 most used bulbs with LED bulbs, and adjusting the thermostat by an amount beyond human perception is somehow trying to force a lifestyle on others is laughable.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46151482]"It's [I]only[/I] x amount!" Is not a good excuse. Sorry, from today forward, you owe me 5 dollars every month. But don't worry, that's only a few hours of work, no biggie. Doesn't even matter, right? If you want to use that excuse, you have no excuse not to donate to charity. Since you only have to donate a small amount, just a few hours of work, really.[/QUOTE] The point is that I feel like I have received enough value from PS Plus to justify paying $60 every year for it. I rarely even play any of my PS4 games online - it's not exactly the smoothest experience on 1.5 megabit ADSL. But the free games you get every month for even the PS4 alone make PS Plus worth it. As far as I'm concerned, the ability to play some games online (read: not all online multiplayer PS4 games need PS Plus, games such as War Thunder don't) is just value adding. Should all online multiplayer be free? Maybe, but after all each PS4 sold is sold at a loss to Sony, and that you're also paying for the upkeep of the servers that organise the matchmaking. I have to say that from the multiplayer I have played in Killzone: Shadow Fall, that the matchmaking has been a positive experience to me (finds a populated game with a good connection, and quite fast). Better than trawling through a server browser. [editline]5th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Apollo;46151704]I made like $21 in three hours. :([/QUOTE] And I fucking pack shelves at a supermarket lol.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46151876]Did you use Xbox live prior to the addition of games for gold?[/QUOTE] Yes, and I knew it's a service that shouldn't be so expensive, and I didn't adjust any of my lifestyle to conserve money for something so small like you're suggesting. Not everyone is well-off so stop trying to convince them how "amazing" the price is. [quote]And the fact you think suggesting people remember to turn off the lights when leaving the room, replace the 4 or 5 most used bulbs with LED bulbs, and adjusting the thermostat by an amount beyond human perception is somehow trying to force a lifestyle on others is laughable. [/quote] The fact that you're so heavily trying to convince people to get something they don't need is laughable.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46151912]You live in the land of giant insects, 20/hour is nothing to brag about. Our dollar is worth a bit more. Shit, maybe you don't understand that? Our minimum is 7.25, so that "only 5 dollars!" isn't the same price as it is to you. Like 100 dollars will be treasured by the poor, but the rich would easily overlook it.[/QUOTE] If it makes it worse, before I got my current job I was getting paid $25 per hour literally to just wrap enchiladas and dip kebabs in tubs of sauce haha.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46151912]You should donate to charity, in return you save the lives of many children, and all you have to do is donate a few dollars every month. Really, how can you put a price on life? You'd be losing money by NOT saving lives! The feeling of saving a life is priceless. You could do it for 5 dollars a month.[/QUOTE] This is a terrible and nonsensical analogy. You get nothing in return for donating to charity other than a temporary mood boost or maybe a cute bookmark or bumper sticker. Maybe if donating $5 to charity also gave you access to hundreds of dollars of services a year, that'd make some sense. [QUOTE=Antdawg;46151939]If it makes it worse, before I got my current job I was getting paid $25 per hour literally to just wrap enchiladas and dip kebabs in tubs of sauce haha.[/QUOTE] Where was this job and how can I get it?
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46151948] Maybe if donating $5 to charity also gave you access to hundreds of dollars of services a year, that'd make some sense. [/QUOTE] Maybe if people were less of a greedy fuck and didn't expect a return from every single action they take.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46151959]You literally save someones life. But yeah you're right, they don't even send a gift basket, those ungrateful 3rd world children.[/QUOTE] Yes, but you still get nothing in return. PS+ isn't a charity, you don't give them $50 a year, get nothing in return. It's a service. A charity is not a service. A charity is a charity. [QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46151974]Maybe if people were less of a greedy fuck and didn't expect a return from every single action they take.[/QUOTE] The morals are irrelevant, the simple fact is the analogy doesn't work, which is kind of the point of an analogy. This charity analogy is nonsense in the most literal sense.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46151948]Where was this job and how can I get it?[/QUOTE] At a company called Steggles here in Straya. We need those big paychecks so we can each afford a slab of beer after every shift to reward ourselves for hard(ly) working.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46151984]Saving a life is "nothing in return"?[/QUOTE] Sometimes I seriously wonder how much Sony must be paying him.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46152035]I was debunking the argument that "it's [I]only[/I] 5 dollars and it doesn't matter!" Obviously it does matter if you wouldn't give it away to charity. And no, you're not saving money by buying it. You save money by not spending money.[/QUOTE] Your debunking makes no sense, because you're not donating to Sony here, you're paying for a service. And yes I am saving money by using PS+. I spent $100 the last two years on the service, and in return I've been given access to [I]at least[/I] $1000 in digital games.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46152035]I was debunking the argument that "it's [I]only[/I] 5 dollars and it doesn't matter!" Obviously it does matter if you wouldn't give it away to charity. And no, you're not saving money by buying it. You save money by not spending money.[/QUOTE] You would be saving money if you go on to buy like even just 3 to 5 of the games that would feature on PS Plus anyways, especially when considering that PS Plus gives its users somewhere around 24 games every year for just the PS4.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46152073]Your debunking makes no sense, because you're not donating to Sony here, you're paying for a service. And yes I am saving money by using PS+. I spent $100 the last two years on the service, and in return I've been given access to [I]at least[/I] $1000 in digital games.[/QUOTE] You've been given access to $1000 in digital games that can be taken away from you with no notice, and taken away from you upon cancellation. You would only have saved money if you paid $100 to receive $1000 in cash, it's your analogies that are wrong.
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46152083]You've been given access to $1000 in digital games that can be taken away from you with no notice, and taken away from you upon cancellation. You would only have saved money if you paid $100 to receive $1000 in cash, it's your analogies that are wrong.[/QUOTE] But they can't be taken away from you with no notice? Did you pull that out of your ass? As long as you have a PS Plus subscription, you have them forever.
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46152083]You've been given access to $1000 in digital games that can be taken away from you with no notice, and taken away from you upon cancellation. You would only have saved money if you paid $100 to receive $1000 in cash, it's your analogies that are wrong.[/QUOTE] Do you know what an analogy is, because there is no analogy there. [QUOTE=Antdawg;46152094]But they can't be taken away from you with no notice? Did you pull that out of your ass? As long as you have a PS Plus subscription, you have them forever.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that if you renew your subscription, you can redownload and play them again.
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46152094]But they can't be taken away from you with no notice? Did you pull that out of your ass? As long as you have a PS Plus subscription, you have them forever.[/QUOTE] Every single subscription based company reserves the right to take away its content at any time, even Steam has that kind of clause in their agreement. [editline]5th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46152095]Do you know what an analogy is, because there is no analogy there. [/QUOTE] I wasn't trying to make an analogy, I was pointing out the flaw in your terrible justification.
[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;46152133]Ahh yes, digital files that can be infinatly copied. Yup, you have gained 10x your investment in assets*! *That will be taken away as soon as you stop paying. I'm not saying it's an awful deal if that's what you pay for, it's great if you like renting games. But you're sure not gaining money by paying for it. You're renting games. I wouldn't mind if Steam had a similar program, provided it wasn't forced on everyone.[/QUOTE] Can you tell me which service you use that lets you rent 300+ games (add 6 games for every passing month) indefinitely for $50 a year?
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46152134]Every single subscription based company reserves the right to take away its content at any time, even Steam has that kind of clause in their agreement.[/QUOTE] Well that's not really an argument then, considering that the people who would use that argument would use the features of Steam as an argument against PS Plus.
I don't think people think ps+ and free games are dumb, it's the fact that online connectivity is shoved into it as well. what if someone doesn't care about random free games that are held behind a pay wall and just want to play online? personally I wouldn't pay for random games every month that I have to keep paying for to play, would much rather be more selective about it even if it may cost more. ps+ and online play shouldn't be in the same basket
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46152134]Every single subscription based company reserves the right to take away its content at any time, even Steam has that kind of clause in their agreement. [editline]5th October 2014[/editline] I wasn't trying to make an analogy, I was pointing out the flaw in your terrible justification.[/QUOTE] You said "it's your analogies that are wrong". There is no analogy in my post. What about Xbox Live, prior to Games With Gold? I'm sure you paid for that. How did you justify that?
[QUOTE=Antdawg;46152174]Well that's not really an argument then, considering that the people who would use that argument would use the features of Steam as an argument against PS Plus.[/QUOTE] In that context the argument wasn't Steam vs. PS Plus, it was an argument of "but I get all this stuff for this low low price" vs "but that can be taken away at any time", and in that context it was completely valid.
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46152188]"but I get all this stuff for this low low price" vs "but that can be taken away at any time"[/QUOTE] Isn't that the main appeal of Steam?
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46152183]You said "it's your analogies that are wrong". There is no analogy in my post. What about Xbox Live, prior to Games With Gold? I don't understand why you gravitate towards Playstation related threads and posts and waste time derailing/arguing/trolling and, of course dumb rating, when you have an open dislike for the brand.[/QUOTE] I said "analogIES", I wasn't pointing towards a post in particular. I've already posted saying Xbox Live prior to GwG was a service I don't like paying for, but I pay for out of necessity because I want to make use of their service. I know it's overpriced, but Sony is doing the exact same thing. Also, if you paid attention to a single thing during your "bait and get defensive" arguments, you'd have seen that I own a PS3, PS Vita, and will soon be borrowing a PS4 to play my own copy of Driveclub on. I have no need for PS Plus, and I have no problem with Sony itself, I have a problem with people trying to force their opinion on others and see Sony as some sort of god-like entity that can do no wrong, when at the end of the day they're just another competitive business that wants your money like Microsoft. I don't give a shit about the logo on the console I play on, the part that I have an open dislike for is your clear agenda to shove Sony into everyone's face like some rite of passage. So think about the fact that I also support Sony products before you inevitable quote this post trying to twist and convolute my words in an attempt to make me look like a Microsoft shill, or some sort of "why is everybody arguing against me" shit. [editline]5th October 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46152193]Isn't that the main appeal of Steam?[/QUOTE] Holy fuck we need the bad reading rating to come back. I literally said in the exact same post that this context didn't include Steam, it was arguing on PS+ as a singular subject. Of course Steam does the same, but Steam wasn't being discussed. Read people's posts please.
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46152207]I said "analogIES", I wasn't pointing towards a post in particular. I've already posted saying Xbox Live prior to GwG was a service I don't like paying for, but I pay for out of necessity because I want to make use of their service. I know it's overpriced, but Sony is doing the exact same thing. Also, if you paid attention to a single thing during your "bait and get defensive" arguments, you'd have seen that I own a PS3, PS Vita, and will soon be borrowing a PS4 to play my own copy of Driveclub on. I have no need for PS Plus, and I have no problem with Sony itself, I have a problem with people trying to force their opinion on others and see Sony as some sort of god-like entity that can do no wrong, when at the end of the day they're just another competitive business that wants your money like Microsoft. I don't give a shit about the logo on the console I play on, the part that I have an open dislike for is your clear agenda to shove Sony into everyone's face like some rite of passage.[/QUOTE] "Clear agenda" please stop, it's getting ridiculous now. Just stop with the infowars baiting please.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46152236]"Clear agenda" please stop, it's getting ridiculous now. Just stop with the infowars baiting please.[/QUOTE] And this is exactly the kind of thing I knew you'd post. Any argument that counters you is met with "LALALA YOU'RE WRONG"
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;46152266]And this is exactly the kind of thing I knew you'd post. Any argument that counters you is met with "LALALA YOU'RE WRONG"[/QUOTE] You made an argument? All I see is you doing the gaming equivalent of "I have a black friend so I'm not racist". I have been well aware since earlier this year, that you apparently own a PS3 and a Vita, but when I saw you whining that Playstation has "a poor library and almost no good games", I checked your PSN profile and the only games you even played where basically Gran Turismo.
[QUOTE=CrimsonChin;46152283]You made an argument?[/QUOTE] Careful you don't cut yourself on that edginess.
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