Guys you do realise countries can not colonize space themselves because of the outer space treaty?
Sorry for the buzzkill, but nationalism is fucking :downs:. In the future there is no place for superstitions such as religion and nations.
[QUOTE=Reborn9;20103542]In the future there is no place for superstitions such as religion and nations.[/QUOTE]
Uh huh. Sure.
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Disney wants to build a space station, why not go the extra few miles and build a base.
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;20101013]Of course, you're still going to have to ship all the parts up to the moon, and either build a shitload of robots or find a way of getting people to live on the moon.
But I'm sure you'd only be spending a little bit more than if you just launched the fuckers from Earth.
In the short term. Going with long term, I just can't see the repair costs and costs of shipping shit back and forth to the moon to ever be practical.[/QUOTE]
The base could get a lot of energy from sunlight. Electrolyze hydrogen and oxygen from water already present on the moon. Then, you would only need to get the vessels to moon, and then filled them with the fuel there. Of course there is still the cost of taking the vessel to the moon, but it's minimal compared to cost take to get the vessel to space from earth with the same amount of fuel left.
The point is not in saving on getting ships into space, but in saving on getting the fuel into space.
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Fucke you america and fucke you europe
[QUOTE=Kaelnukem;20107042][img]http://brian.hoffert.faculty.noctrl.edu/HST165/MaoZedong.Trimmed.png[/img]
Fucke you america and fucke you europe[/QUOTE]
Cow and chickeeeeen.
Who is on the moon.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;20104886]The base could get a lot of energy from sunlight. Electrolyze hydrogen and oxygen from water already present on the moon. Then, you would only need to get the vessels to moon, and then filled them with the fuel there. Of course there is still the cost of taking the vessel to the moon, but it's minimal compared to cost take to get the vessel to space from earth with the same amount of fuel left.
The point is not in saving on getting ships into space, but in saving on getting the fuel into space.[/QUOTE]
And exactly when does this magic fuel idea of yours pay off when you factor in the amount of money it would take to [b]build an entire base, complete with solar panels and water-electrolyzin' power plants[/b]?
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This is what happens when the coolest man in the world also happens to be one of the richest.
Although, back on topic, it's probably a good thing that space is being privatized. Now we'll have more innovation in this field and people will invest in things like the [url=http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/cannon-shooting-supplies-space]floating supply cannon[/url].
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;20107962]And exactly when does this magic fuel idea of yours pay off when you factor in the amount of money it would take to [B]build an entire base, complete with solar panels and water-electrolyzin' power plants[/B]?[/QUOTE]
Space elevators and shit would make things about 100x cheaper.
[QUOTE=Reborn9;20108756]Space elevators and shit would make things about 100x cheaper.[/QUOTE]
Alright, so we can add Space Elevators and Shit, as well as the cost of researching these ideas, to the budget. That makes the cost of it... How much again?
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;20107962]And exactly when does this magic fuel idea of yours pay off when you factor in the amount of money it would take to [B]build an entire base, complete with solar panels and water-electrolyzin' power plants[/B]?[/QUOTE]
Electrolysis is no magic... it's...
[I][B]SCIENCE! [/B][/I]:science:
[QUOTE=PariahKing;20096286]The moon isn't important anymore. Spend money on ocean exploration instead of short term impact, and for long term plan to do crazy cool shit like fly around to Mars.[/QUOTE]
Hey fuck you. Both have the capability to either explode your ship, or implode it. I would rather die in space than have my ass raped by a fucking sparkly vampire squid.
In 1945 the Nazis went to the moon. In 2018, they're coming back.
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;20096441]I'm not a rampant "Fuck the poor and take their oil" capitalist, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that the only things capable of truly pushing people into space are the promise of insane profits, or desire to flee the barren hellscape the world will eventually become.
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Earth isn't going to be a barren hellscape for at least another 2 billion years, unless your talking about global warming or nuclear Armageddon, in which case you're not very bright.
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also I bet the chinese are gonna be the first to put a person on mars.
Asian people should take their time not working on table-tennis, and spend their magic of learning to get themselves on mars. Seems like Asians can do anything. :[
Leaving Earth is not a good reason to have a space program in my opinion. That's because there are going to be many, many centuries before humans can live off this planet in large numbers. Most people have no concept of how destructive space, outside the protection of the Earth's atmosphere, is for human life. In terms of leaving Earth, it's more likely robots will have to land somewhere, terraform it, then build human life support facilities. Then the first humans go and start setting things up for more.
Technology development is a bad reason too. Back in the 60s people were effectively illiterate when it came to technology. Color tv was the most advanced tech in the average home. So a space program did inspire awe, how could it NOT inspire awe?
Nowdays, even kids are tech knowledgeable. Watching a man walk on Mars will be interesting for about 5 minutes.
Right now, I think the only good reason to be in space is research, which can be done in the space station, and mining anything valuable from the Moon, which is the only thing in our reach right now.
There is nothing wrong with paying the Russians to drive us to the Space Station. They are good at it, they have made a good business out of it, it's stupid to spend even more money to do it ourselves.
We should be figuring out: A) what is worth getting from the Moon? and B) what kind of robotic tech do we need to mine it?- then spend our money developing it. If the Japanese have robotic tech that could be useful, we should license it from them.
Everybody wins this way, everyone takes part and everyone gets a chance to make profit.
[QUOTE=Sams Brume;20109375]Alright, so we can add Space Elevators and Shit, as well as the cost of researching these ideas, to the budget. That makes the cost of it... How much again?[/QUOTE]
That's true! Why do we even bother! Let's stay on earth and never ever think about getting into space ever!
The base on moon, no matter how costly, would unlock us possibilities we don't even have today. Of course it would take some effort, but if it was done with international effort (like ISS), the money aren't really the problem.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;20115678]The base on moon, no matter how costly, would unlock us possibilities we don't even have today.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, because we can't launch shit into space and reach Mars and stuff today.
The problem is with this attitude ~ Can I have a gain from it? No? The why the hell should I care? The problem is, that making space exploration profitable in future, takes some effort now, when it is not profitable. People just have to settle down on using money on something they will never be able to gain from in whole their lifetime.
As long as I get a roof over my house, decent meals, a proper amount of free time and free will, I don't give shit about money. I am not willing to live my life hoarding money just for the sake of having them. I will be happy if I can raise kids and have a happy fair life. I don't care if I will not have a better car, a better house, more money than my neighbors. What I do care is, that the effort I do will have some result. That the money I make should give us, as a humanity, at least the tiniest bit more knowledge. More opportunities.
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[QUOTE=Sams Brume;20115692]Yeah, because we can't launch shit into space and reach Mars and stuff today.[/QUOTE]
We can get probes with robots to mars. Not to mention Mars isn't overly more interesting than moon is.
Realisticly it would be the ESA.
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;20115729]The problem is with this attitude ~ Can I have a gain from it? No? The why the hell should I care? The problem is, that making space exploration profitable in future, takes some effort now, when it is not profitable[/QUOTE]
Here's another attitude problem, we should stop thinking just about "How can I use this for positive effects?". We should also be thinking about "What are the consequences?"
Example: A gun.
"I could use this to hunt, gather food, and for protection!", I don't think the inventors thought of "This can easily slaughter an entire group of human beings".
We don't expand our thinking enough. What consequences will we reap when we try to make an unhabitable planet, into inhabitable one? Mars and the moon has been a desolate space rock not fit for life since it was concieved, do you think it will suddenly allow terraforming without consequences?
[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;20115729]The problem is with this attitude ~ Can I have a gain from it? No? The why the hell should I care? The problem is, that making space exploration profitable in future, takes some effort now, when it is not profitable. People just have to settle down on using money on something they will never be able to gain from in whole their lifetime.
As long as I get a roof over my house, decent meals, a proper amount of free time and free will, I don't give shit about money. I am not willing to live my life hoarding money just for the sake of having them. I will be happy if I can raise kids and have a happy fair life. I don't care if I will not have a better car, a better house, more money than my neighbors. What I do care is, that the effort I do will have some result. That the money I make should give us, as a humanity, at least the tiniest bit more knowledge. More opportunities.[/QUOTE]
Technically, some of the missions are completely pointless, although what says that it shouldn't be done?
The main reason, if you look deeply under all complex explanations, is more like "because we CAN! :science:"
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