North Korea threatens to turn Seoul and Washington into 'a heap of ashes' as military drills begin - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pops;50932403]depends on how legit this is [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6qF5NU-ehU[/media][/QUOTE] 'drinking coffee made from snow and living in tents and buying guns to kill eachother, especially children' :what: 'some people complain about the guns' :v: is this a satire what is this video's obsession with snow

it's either a complete mockery or scanlation. either way, take it with a grain of salt.

The snow thing is probably to imply that we lack clean drinking water.

[QUOTE=Pops;50932403]depends on how legit this is [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6qF5NU-ehU[/media][/QUOTE] "This man is a former republican candidate for oregon who's now having to get coffee made of snow from these trucks" :what:

[QUOTE=WillerinV1.02;50932306]maybe i'm hilariously uneducated on these things, but NK coming out of nowhere with a super secret surprise attack that fucks the entirety of the world over seems unlikely to me. i mean, they could do something devastating, but nothing that wouldn't result in stronger nations rolling in and stomping all over them. [/QUOTE] They don't need to fuck over the entire world. I seriously doubt they give a shit about the rest of the world save for South Korea and maybe China and the US. They don't need to be able to launch missiles over the Pacific to accomplish something ghastly, because Seoul, a city of several million, is sitting like 25 miles (41km) from the border.

To all the pro-intervention, who does everyone propose take in the 25 million indoctrinated North Koreans? Who do you propose fights a ground war with Korea and loses men over it?

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;50931418]Not to be edgy and contrarian but does no one find it a little concerning (for lack a better word) that people legitimately hope North Korea will attack (killing many innocent people) just so they can live out their blood fantasy of watching nk get retaliated on (thus killing many more innocent people?)[/QUOTE] I doubt it would even be a war like most people expect, Would probably be NK launching a missile at the USA, then getting shot down over the atlantic, A day or so later and Kim Jong-Un mysteriously vanishes due to secret agents infiltrating, and the country falls into the hands of SK after failing to maintain themselves without "the great leader"

North Korea is going to probably building up for the 2018 winter olympics in South Korea.

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;50931418]Not to be edgy and contrarian but does no one find it a little concerning (for lack a better word) that people legitimately hope North Korea will attack (killing many innocent people) just so they can live out their blood fantasy of watching nk get retaliated on (thus killing many more innocent people?)[/QUOTE] I find it more concerning that no one seems to care. If *any* other country threatened a nuclear attack against us we'd be like Okay, Defcon 2 ladies and gents, pull Aegis ships from where ever they are and put them on their shores/our shores and put as many of our Carriers in operation to protect as much as we can, and react as fast as we can. Start marking GPS locations of targets to give to the B2's, etc etc, so on and so on I think NK is a joke and laugh at them, too, But what happens when North Korea eventually does do it, and does it successfully because no one gave two shits when they made a threat? For years they said they would, and they did, and everyone let them. Better believe no other country would ever mention the word Nuclear after that happens, because it's going to be taken seriously then. But I wonder which country is going to have to be nuked first before the world takes these threats seriously

The US military has had that stuff in place for decades to deal with NK if they suddenly decide to flood over the DMZ. We're technically still at war with them so I highly doubt we've just forgotten about them. We got bombers in Guam, meat shields and fighters in Osan, patriots and an assortment of other things, and probably a carrier group not for behind. People joke because we've been in this state for so long. We probably have a better map of the North Korean terrain than the North Koreans do. Our Generals probably collaborate with SK Generals and have plans A-Z on what to do when the time comes. The thing is no one wants to because millions will die and the whole region will be a mess for decades. North Korea is a geo-political powder keg and no one wants to light it.

[QUOTE=CroGamer002;50931452]Considering North Korea has no technology to make nuclear missiles, I think they're kinda full of shit.[/QUOTE] What do you mean they have no technology? They have the technology to launch stuff into space, and they've done [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction"]nuclear tests[/URL] in the past.

[QUOTE=TheTalon;50933074]I find it more concerning that no one seems to care. If *any* other country threatened a nuclear attack against us we'd be like Okay, Defcon 2 ladies and gents, pull Aegis ships from where ever they are and put them on their shores/our shores and put as many of our Carriers in operation to protect as much as we can, and react as fast as we can. Start marking GPS locations of targets to give to the B2's, etc etc, so on and so on I think NK is a joke and laugh at them, too, But what happens when North Korea eventually does do it, and does it successfully because no one gave two shits when they made a threat? For years they said they would, and they did, and everyone let them. Better believe no other country would ever mention the word Nuclear after that happens, because it's going to be taken seriously then. But I wonder which country is going to have to be nuked first before the world takes these threats seriously[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=_Maverick_;50932191]The whole "DON'T UNDERESTIMATE YOUR FOES!" rings true as ever. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=ElectricSquid;50932164]They've been working on things, and for as much as everyone likes to gawk and point and laugh, they're not just playing with their dicks over there. They're developing shit, even if it's slowly, and some day they're going to do something that catches everyone by surprise because we've been too used to laughing at them for the better part of 60 years.[/QUOTE] The Aegis ship(s) and all that jazz are all in place already. The US alone has 30 000 troops stationed in South Korea . We monitor their military installations so heavily that we know of any launch days in advance. The rest of the world is taking NK VERY seriously, we just aren't responding with equally strong words because we have no intention of escalating the conflict. We aren't whipping our dicks out at the provocation to try to intimidate an antagonist into submission but that doesn't mean that we're sitting on our hands either. The reason people are saying NK is a minuscule threat is not because they believe NK incapable of developing better technology, but because the rest of the world are already aware of the potential threat and have the capacity in place to respond to it.

Can NK just do something already so they can give us a reason to put their government into the ground? I've never known such childish dick waving from a person let alone the leadership of an entire country.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;50932113]I don't think the russian government would let go of any of its nukes but it's possible something got stolen after the fall of the berlin wall like in Tom Clancy novels[/QUOTE] Tom Clancy novels are not very based on reality. Stealing a nuke is almost impossible, keeping that nuke after stealing it is impossible. And if NK got that Russian nuke, Russia would have invaded NK for that to not give them a slight chance of cracking down code to activate the nuke. [editline]23rd August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=ElectricSquid;50932164]They've been working on things, and for as much as everyone likes to gawk and point and laugh, they're not just playing with their dicks over there. They're developing shit, even if it's slowly, and some day they're going to do something that catches everyone by surprise because we've been too used to laughing at them for the better part of 60 years.[/QUOTE] The public has been laughing, but anyone important is looking at NK seriously and would know did they developed a missile capable nuke. [editline]23rd August 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Xyrec;50933185]What do you mean they have no technology? They have the technology to launch stuff into space, and they've done [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korea_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction"]nuclear tests[/URL] in the past.[/QUOTE] Developing a nuclear bomb small enough to fit in ICBM is not a simple thing. There has no indication they had any real progress for that.

I hope they don't attack. I'm in artillery range.

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;50931418]Not to be edgy and contrarian but does no one find it a little concerning (for lack a better word) that people legitimately hope North Korea will attack (killing many innocent people) just so they can live out their blood fantasy of watching nk get retaliated on (thus killing many more innocent people?)[/QUOTE]Define "many" because I think you're severely overestimating the likely end result of a conflict. So far South Korea has taken a [B]lot[/B] of shit from their northern neighbor, even the unprovoked sinking of a warship wasn't enough to go to war. So whatever happens has to top that, it has to go above and beyond [I]attacking, sinking, and then lying repeatedly[/I] a fucking warship entirely unprovoked. What would [I]likely[/I] happen is one of the many disputes that happen quite frequently escalates into something crazy and the South Koreans respond with military force. So two possible conclusions to that, the first one is the KPA/KPAAF get fucked up like they always do when South Korea shoots back, and the second is the resumption of war. Of course if that happens you can probably look to 2003 Iraq as a good indicator of what would happen: initial resistance from hardened and dedicated units, then mass desertion as the locals realize they are irrevocably fucked. Do you really expect a platoon of scrawny, malnourished soldiers armed with 40's and 50's technology to hold the line against a force that outclasses them in literally every single way possible? I don't. There just isn't much opportunity for many people to die. This is all assuming anything will happen, and again I must stress that South Korea is still angry about the ROKS Cheonan so it's very difficult to top that. [QUOTE=CroGamer002;50931452]Considering North Korea has no technology to make nuclear missiles, I think they're kinda full of shit.[/QUOTE]Uh, even their earliest ballistic missiles were copies of Soviet missiles that always had the ability to carry nuclear warheads. What they (almost certainly) don't have is the ability to make a warhead small enough to do that job, but "small" is 1000kg in the case of the Rodong-1 so there's that. Fortunately while they're struggling with missiles we abandoned in 1964 we've come up with the Patriot PAC-2 which was made with the Scud family in mind. (of which most North Korean missiles are a part of in some way) Yeah it's concerning that they have ICBMs but nukes really aren't a big deal right now, you [U]should[/U] be more concerned with chemical and biological weapons. Everyone's so fucking focused on nukes that are basically a non-issue, but they have [url=https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/feb/01/northkorea]plenty[/url] [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/10376676/North-Korea-testing-chemical-weapons-on-political-prisoners.html]of[/url] [url=http://europe.newsweek.com/defector-claims-north-korea-carries-out-human-chemical-weapons-tests-329847?rx=us]test[/url] [url=http://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2013/10/11/a-srebenica-esque-massacre-has-recently-taken-place-in-north-koreas-killing-fields/]subjects[/url] to play with and it's been known for years. This is the real threat, not the nukes, this is what the missiles can carry that's so goddamn dangerous. [QUOTE=Dr.C;50931535]Is it possible for North Korea to have snuck a russian snuke into the US? That's the only way I can see them nuking DC aside from gross incompetence and corruption[/QUOTE]No. D.C. is one of the dumbest targets for a clandestine nuclear device for one because reasons, and for two they haven't even mastered warheads so they won't be building suitcase nukes any time soon. That's immensely more difficult, it's hard enough to build something that doesn't weigh ten tons. [QUOTE=ElectricSquid;50932164]They've been working on things, and for as much as everyone likes to gawk and point and laugh, they're not just playing with their dicks over there. They're developing shit, even if it's slowly, and some day they're going to do something that catches everyone by surprise because we've been too used to laughing at them for the better part of 60 years.[/QUOTE]Yeah because it isn't like we've been developing anti-ballistic missile technology for the better part of half a century to swat down ICBMs launched from our biggest rival. After the USSR fell we just closed up all the research labs and told those nerds to get bent, war's over so go home! No. You can't make a thermonuclear warhead out of shoe strings and the bottled tears of suffering orphans, at some point Murphy's law and reality steps in and kicks over your shitty little sandcastle and tells you to suck a dick before laughing at you and fucking your mom in your bed. Murphy's law apparently lives somewhere in North Hamgyong, it [I]definitely[/I] hates Koreans. I hate people like you because you're a few steps shy of a 9/11 truther, you think there's just some secret trick up their sleeve like they have a Gundam or something in a shed somewhere and we'll all be sorry for laughing at them. No. What they do have now is concerning enough, but we've been aware of it for decades now and contrary to popular belief South Koreans aren't mentally retarded, don't underestimate their northern neighbor at all, and they take civil defense [I]very[/I] seriously.

They have enough conventional artillery to severely fuck up every major city on the peninsula. The US military bases will pretty much be leveled. Seoul would suffer horrendous damage and casualties. The NK army is huge and are fanatically trained to fight to the death. You are seriously underestimating NK capabilities. They have been getting stuff from Iran for a long time. We would take really bad losses on the opening shots. We would win eventually, SK will be doing most of the actual fighting, but it would be a meat grinder. [editline]24th August 2016[/editline] Now, you're right, they have taken a lot of shit. However, the defense minister said that if a single soldier got injured or killed by NK provocation, It's on.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50938460] I hate people like you because you're a few steps shy of a 9/11 truther, you think there's just some secret trick up their sleeve like they have a Gundam or something in a shed somewhere and we'll all be sorry for laughing at them. No. What they do have now is concerning enough, but we've been aware of it for decades now and contrary to popular belief South Koreans aren't mentally retarded, don't underestimate their northern neighbor at all, and they take civil defense [I]very[/I] seriously.[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself, asshole, I never implied they were super advanced or something like that. I just think it's stupid to not take an enemy seriously.

[QUOTE=Milkdairy;50931418]Not to be edgy and contrarian but does no one find it a little concerning (for lack a better word) that people legitimately hope North Korea will attack (killing many innocent people) just so they can live out their blood fantasy of watching nk get retaliated on (thus killing many more innocent people?)[/QUOTE] Uh that's not why people want that to happen at all. They are hoping that the US and several coalition forces would topple the NK govt and replace it with a less awful transitional government. Of course there would be a refugee crisis and instability in SK but it would put an end to the hermit kingdom.

I wonder what would it take for the US to launch a second [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axe_murder_incident#Operation_Paul_Bunyan]Operation Paul Bunyan[/url]. A non-violent, pants-shittingly terrifying reminder that North Korea better not fuck with the West.

I'm not really worried about a country, where the leader spends 30 million dollars a year on imported alcohol, whilst grossly over exaggerating how much they spend on military funding each year.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;50938592]They have enough conventional artillery to severely fuck up every major city on the peninsula. The US military bases will pretty much be leveled. Seoul would suffer horrendous damage and casualties.[/QUOTE]They can't do all of those things all at once, and conventional artillery reaching Seoul is [I]iffy[/I] at best, only the Koksan can do it and that needs RAP to cover the distance. That's a portion of their artillery force, and yeah you do have a point that things would get fucked up closer to the border but all the while that's going on the ROK is firing back and correct me if I'm wrong but isn't there an army (ours) field artillery brigade over there? You'd know, if I recall correctly you're recon? for an ABCT so you're probably at Yongsan or Camp Hovey. I'm sure you've seen at least a battery of our own artillery, so unless the stars align and the Norks hit the brigade FDC with the opening shot then our guns will [I]definitely[/I] be shooting back. [QUOTE]The NK army is huge and are fanatically trained to fight to the death. You are seriously underestimating NK capabilities.[/QUOTE]Uh. No, they're just like you only armed and equipped with things I'd pass over at an army surplus store and severely malnourished to boot. Oh, and they're expected to hold the line while K2s and M1A2's roll over them with impunity. [I]What[/I] am I overestimating here? [QUOTE]They have been getting stuff from Iran for a long time.[/QUOTE]Uhh, no buddy, you have that [url=http://www.nytimes.com/1993/06/20/world/israel-seeks-to-keep-north-korea-from-aiding-iran.html][I]backwards.[/I][/url] I mentioned the Rodong-1 which is currently used by both North Korea [I]and Iran[/I] and the Iranian Shahab family only became successful when they borrowed from the Rodong-1 with the Shahab-3. (there are six variants) Iran isn't their only Middle Eastern customer, the Hwasong family being used by both Syria and formerly the UAE. [QUOTE]We would take really bad losses on the opening shots. We would win eventually, SK will be doing most of the actual fighting, but it would be a meat grinder.[/QUOTE]Really only if they use chemical or biological weapons, and of the two chemical weapons are far easier and more immediately devastating. You do have your ATNAA on hand, right? They'll be using nerve agents, and yes that would be [I]terrible[/I] but I severely doubt that would ever happen. Beyond that it would be a lot of broken stuff, we have a relevant example of their capabilities with the shelling of Yeongpyeong Island in 2010, they fired around 150 shells and less than half of that actually landed on the island over the course of a half an hour. That's... not good. Not even remotely impressive. [QUOTE]We would win eventually, SK will be doing most of the actual fighting, but it would be a meat grinder.[/QUOTE]Yeah, just like the [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_73_Easting]73 Easting[/url] was a slaughter, except it'll be a little bit different in that the Iraqis were facing off against 80's-era M1 Abrams. Oh, and I have to remind you that the same fucking equipment the DPRK sold off to Iran (subsequently captured by Iraq because the Iranians were retarded) that we beat so soundly that it literally made the PLA throw their entire strategic plan out the window is actually still frontline equipment in North Korea. I need to reiterate that, the Type 69 tank, in service in Saddam's military, was cut to shreds every single time they met an American tank, even the USMC M60's beat the snot out of them. This is the same tank that shares a close lineage with the Chonma-ho, even it's successor was passed over in favor of the Type 96 which is heavily inspired by the M1 Abrams. North Korea didn't get the hint, developed the Pokpung-ho, it won't stand a chance against depleted-uranium APFSDS rounds. For reference here's their most advanced tank in all it's 70's glory: [t]http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/North_Korea_military_parade_10_October_2015_guards-PokpungHo.jpg[/t] That was in 2015, it's up to date. [QUOTE]Now, you're right, they have taken a lot of shit. However, the defense minister said that if a single soldier got injured or killed by NK provocation, It's on.[/QUOTE]Except that's happened almost routinely since the 60's, just recently a guy got blown up by a landmine put down on a patrol route. That absolutely qualifies, and every time the South Koreans say "oh if you fucking do it we will throw down motherfucker!" and the Norks do actually do it [I]nothing happens.[/I] Nobody wants a war, the North Koreans evidently are aware that they're pathetically outmatched in every way outside of hopefully clogging our war machine with bodies (it won't work) and the South Koreans know that if they win their prize is... North Korea. Going back to 2010 real quick despite civilians being killed (two, three wounded) the South Korean response was largely muted, K-9s firing back 30 shells, some sorties by F-16s. Then the Norks fired back (accurately this time) and the South Koreans returned fire, but there wasn't some overarching resumption of war on the peninsula. I must remind you that civilians were killed in this, the North Koreans fired on an island inhabited by civilians, refused to apologize, and then acted like they did nothing wrong because it was the South Koreans firing into their glorious Juche water (that only they recognize as theirs, nobody else) that caused this whole mess. This on top of a warship being sunk. On top of kidnappings. Assassinations. Constant threats, sabotage, incursions into South Korean territory. I mean if there ever was a cause for fucking war I think the Cheonan was more than enough, but there's a long, [U]long[/U] history of this shit going on and a whole lot of nothing coming from it. [QUOTE=ElectricSquid;50938965]Speak for yourself, asshole, I never implied they were super advanced or something like that. I just think it's stupid to not take an enemy seriously.[/QUOTE]Literally nobody important is underestimating North Korea. They're constantly being analyzed, investigated, thought about, guessed on, theorized, examined, fucking every which way they can be looked at they're being looked at. There's an entire group of people who spend their entire day pouring over every possible bit of information regarding North Korea and amending "the big picture" with each piece. I don't think they're going to sneak one by and surprise everyone, we have our nose so far up their asses we can smell the bootleg soap operas. [editline]25th August 2016[/editline] I added a picture, and I need to state with clarity that I lean toward the "North Korean artillery isn't that amazing" camp, which is an optimistic point of view and shouldn't be used in casualty estimations. Even so, conservative estimations put a Seoul bombardment nowhere near the millions that people come up with, and [url=http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6212/north-korea-and-flattening-seoul/]other people[/url] agree with me that artillery in urban areas isn't very effective. As we've seen in Sarajevo, artillery in built up urban areas takes a long, long time to smash a city into rubble. Actually artillery shells impacting high buildings pretty much negates most of their advantage, (well, their anti-personnel advantage, they can still poke holes in buildings) and all the while the South Koreans are scrambling to shoot back and silence the guns. I'm not saying it wouldn't be bad, any attack on a city is bad, but the "massive casualties" expected doesn't really hold up when you compare them to real-world examples. Sarajevo was under assault for [I]years[/I] and ten thousand military and civilians died inside the city, North Korea would have at most days. I'm concerned about a chemical or biological attack, those are currently well within the capability of the KPA and can [I]easily[/I] cause tens of thousands of casualties before the population can take shelter.

I'm an apache maintainer, but I was at Hovey/Casey recently. I'm at Humphreys. Yes, there's FA there. Problem is that if KJU fires first, they have everything already prebracketed. Counterbattery would be difficult when there's shells and rockets raining down on you. Also, rocket artillery would be really bad for us. Down here at Humphreys we aren't worried about shells, we're concerned with rockets carrying chemical agents. We're walking around with promasks handy on our hip right now. Now, I don't forsee KJU actually hitting any targets, just doing what he normally does (launching missiles into the ocean near Japan, which he just did today I think) but he's not interested in reunification. He's pouring money into the nuke program. My big thing is that USFK is here to deter NK aggression. I'm just wondering how long till NK has reliable nuclear weapons, and then they will be the ones deterring us. It's a mess here. I sorely wish we could do something about NK other than more sanctions which don't seem to be doing anything. [editline]24th August 2016[/editline] Oh and no, I dont have ATNAA handy. Just got a promask and JSLIST that I won't get to in time.

[QUOTE=SKEEA;50944021]I'm an apache maintainer, but I was at Hovey/Casey recently. I'm at Humphreys. Yes, there's FA there. Problem is that if KJU fires first, they have everything already prebracketed.[/QUOTE]Problem with this is the current amount of forces within sight of the border really isn't enough to do this: [QUOTE]Counterbattery would be difficult when there's shells and rockets raining down on you.[/QUOTE]That's a massive, massive volume of fire to suppress all available forces in the region and even if that were true Osan would be launching planes anyway and standoff strike capability means the Norks are [I]fucked.[/I] At best they could scramble some MiG-23s but they would get wrecked in a fucking second the moment they crossed the border, and I'm sure the Apache squadron you're a part of would be doing their thing too. [QUOTE]Down here at Humphreys we aren't worried about shells, we're concerned with rockets carrying chemical agents. We're walking around with promasks handy on our hip right now.[/QUOTE]Quite honestly I have no idea what would be launched your way since they've been conducting their own research for decades, but if it's anything like existing nerve agents your ACUs and mask should keep you safe until you can get indoors. Though, I don't need to be telling you this, I'm just stating that for others reading who might be worried. [QUOTE]Now, I don't forsee KJU actually hitting any targets, just doing what he normally does (launching missiles into the ocean near Japan, which he just did today I think) but he's not interested in reunification. He's pouring money into the nuke program. My big thing is that USFK is here to deter NK aggression. I'm just wondering how long till NK has reliable nuclear weapons, and then they will be the ones deterring us. It's a mess here.[/QUOTE]I'm not an expert in nuclear warheads and I haven't looked at the intelligence on their capabilities (obviously, but that isn't to say I wouldn't love to see anyway) but my guess is they're probably years away still given their rate of tests and evident lack of success. They've been at this for awhile and if we were to compare them to other nuclear states they should be arming their Rodong-1s since that's the easiest to hide. Even if they do, their threats are constant and always so far over the fucking top that short of launching a live missile in a test and detonating it they have absolutely no way of convincing anyone of their capability. We'll always be under the impression that they're still puttering around unless we find out directly, and then it's a shadow game that quite honestly they have no experience playing. We have the CIA. I don't think the role will ever reverse because if they flaunt an actual nuclear weapon and it looks like they'll actually use it then your role will drastically change. [QUOTE]I sorely wish we could do something about NK other than more sanctions which don't seem to be doing anything.[/QUOTE]Believe me, sanctions do a tremendous amount of damage to them and it gives us a nice carrot to dangle every now and again. Ultimately it's up to China, who has proven over the past few years that if their little neighbor gets too far out of line they'll threaten to plunge the country back into famine. China absolutely does not want a nuclear detonation off it's coast under any circumstances, keep that in mind when these sort of things happen because that condition is not going to change. [QUOTE]Oh and no, I dont have ATNAA handy. Just got a promask and JSLIST that I won't get to in time.[/QUOTE]Your mask will be more than enough if you have brief exposure and don't have any gigantic exposed wounds. Nerve agents are ineffective at permeating the skin, (ineffective is not synonymous with impossible, decontaminate immediately) and blister agents suck in general, so if you get your mask on and cover yourself to limit your exposure you're good. Chemical weapons are truly one of the most awful things ever invented but once you start protecting yourself their effectiveness sharply drops, they're terrifying to an exposed population but just simply having a gas mask is an amazing level of protection. Also valium, (or any of it's relatives) it isn't an antidote but a high dose will let you endure the G-series (sarin, soban, tabun) for [I]a bit[/I] so you can flail in the general direction of safety. Obviously mainlining fucking valium is never a recipe for success but yeah, one of those "you'll die anyway so what do you have to lose?" last ditch things. Chemical weapons are truly the only thing that scares the bejeesus out of me mostly because I can't EDC a gasmask everywhere. You can though. Carry that mask and think of me, huddling in my [del]rape dungeon[/del] survivalist bunker.