Flaccid Fritz Finds Fornication Frustrating: Study Shows German Birthrate Lowest on Planet - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Swebonny;47838722]That a weird conclusion... How about parental leave for both the dad and the mom? Now we're talking equality.[/QUOTE] Sure, but men wont be getting pregnant and start breastfeeding the kids anytime soon. One other problem here is the concept of people leaving the home to "get independent". Then when they end up having kids they can't leave it at the kids grandparents, they are solely dependent on daycare services. Both of my parents worked and my sisters were raised by their grandparents, but they died when I was born and sisters went to school. Often my parents had no other choice than to lock me in the living room until some of them comes back home. Looking trough the window of my locked living room is one of the oldest memories I have :(

That trend is not really surprising, the average age in Germany is rising "rapidly". I noticed this in my town as well, schools and kindergartens are closing down and instead two retirement homes opened and got immediately filled.

[QUOTE=Van-man;47838809]The bigger problem is daycare and kindergarten opening hours not matching up with parents' work schedule.[/QUOTE] This is super true. A lot of my colleagues in Germany either have a stay at home spouse or they have to work part time to work around daycare hours. It's crazy and in either case it's less money for the household in addition to the increased expenses of a child.

[QUOTE=Tigster;47839245]This is super true. A lot of my colleagues in Germany either have a stay at home spouse or they have to work part time to work around daycare hours. It's crazy and in either case it's less money for the household in addition to the increased expenses of a child.[/QUOTE] It's a general problem in the western world, Although Germany has it super bad.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;47839092]Sure, but men wont be getting pregnant and start breastfeeding the kids anytime soon. One other problem here is the concept of people leaving the home to "get independent". Then when they end up having kids they can't leave it at the kids grandparents, they are solely dependent on daycare services. Both of my parents worked and my sisters were raised by their grandparents, but they died when I was born and sisters went to school. Often my parents had no other choice than to lock me in the living room until some of them comes back home. Looking trough the window of my locked living room is one of the oldest memories I have :([/QUOTE] Dang that sucks. I spent time with my grandparents at first while my mom and dad worked. Then when I turned 2 I think, I was sent to daycare.

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;47837686]I disagree with that, though. basic income is not a bad idea. As for it being a drain, consider how much money would be saved on the bureaucracy. Instead of all these unemployment offices and people who deal with calculating and handing out pension, a simple system that pays out the same to literally everyone and for which the one single means of checking the eligibility would be a simple ID which everyone would have, would free up a TON of cash and you could hand that cash out to people instead of feeding needless bureaucracy with it. Furthermore, an actual issue with automation is, that it will only further skyrocket the income and wealth disparity as owning the machines and having them work for you won't force you to pay out nearly as much as the salary for everyone would, and the money you will pass towards the people who supply and maintain the robots will be likely a high level of automation as well. Finding fair and effective ways of redistributing wealth will be undeniably an important challenge for the current generation.[/QUOTE] The big issue is that inequality damages the free market itself, and economic growth takes a pretty big hit from massive inequality. Putting the poorest people on the first rung of the ladder with a little assistance goes a long way to ensuring both their own financial security, and the long term wealth of all people in the nation, helping to strengthen the existing market system.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;47838722]That a weird conclusion... How about parental leave for both the dad and the mom? Now we're talking equality.[/QUOTE] How is a parental leave going to fix anything? Even a year off isn't going to do much when children take at least 12 until they can be more or less self sufficient. Not only that, they also cause a lot of headaches and stress. Juggling both kids and work is really tough so many choose not to have them.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47839611]Juggling both kids and work is really tough so many choose not to have them.[/QUOTE] So instead having kids, they get a dog or two.

It's the demographic-economic paradox in action, it's present in every single developed country with the US as the sole exception, and you can see beginning to take place in India where the birthrate has plummeted since the mid-20th century as their economic power has grown. From 1960 - 2010, it was 6 births per woman to now 2.5, remaining just above replacement, in just half a century it fell by more tha half. Jokes aside, this is going to become a very serious problem for parts of the developed world much sooner than anyone would like to admit. When the elderly population begins to outstrip the labor force your going to see countries with generous welfare programs buckle under that pressure. Tax revenues shrink, economic activity falls and eventually deflation kicks in. How you can start convincing native Germans or Japanese or whoever to start having kids again is going to be a difficult problem to solve. Maternity and paternity leave is nice but that's not the only reason young people choose not to have kids. Kids are burdensome, and a frighting prospect to people who think their youth is meant for only personal enjoyment. It's a social problem that goes a lot deeper than time off from work.

[QUOTE=justin gurel;47837384]good.the world is over populated.[/QUOTE] Places on the world are over populated but the world as a whole isnt. I guess your brain couldn't process the number of 7 billion and just that it's too big for you to count so it must be lowered.

Wonder if this ever gets to America, this thing with a dropping birth rate.

[QUOTE=justin gurel;47837384]good.the world is over populated.[/QUOTE] Europe by statistics is actually underpopulated compared to Asia and Africa which are overpopulated. Countries that are overpopulated should go the way of china and put in population limiters until things stabilise.

[QUOTE=Arrows;47840639]Europe by statistics is actually underpopulated compared to Asia and Africa which are overpopulated. Countries that are overpopulated should go the way of china and put in population limiters until things stabilise.[/QUOTE] Because the chinese one-child policy worked out so well for them with the insanely skewed sex ratio.

[QUOTE=justin gurel;47837384]good.the world is over populated.[/QUOTE] Depends where

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47838708]I think soon we will see the negatives of equality. When everyone is equal and is working full days, there's no more time for babies for anyone. I wonder how this will get fixed, if it will.[/QUOTE] This isn't an equality problem, it's a problem caused by increased work loads and the ridiculous cost of living that forces both people to work in the relationship thus they have no time or money for children.

This doesn't mean they're not having sex, it just means they're having safe sex. We've all seen their pornos; you need a safe word or lose your bratwurst

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;47846492]This isn't an equality problem, it's a problem caused by increased work loads and the ridiculous cost of living that forces both people to work in the relationship thus they have no time or money for children.[/QUOTE]That's kinda what happens when your goal is to build a career instead of a family. There are plenty of people with plenty of money but due to that they ironically choose not to have kids since they can spend their free time traveling and stuff instead of taking care of their kids and becoming even more stressed. Having no kids in modern world simply brings a lot more advantages. You save on money and health, then you can spend said money to further improve your health. I use the term equality loosely because now both men and women are encouraged to work. And when both people work, it's a hassle to have kids. [editline]31st May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Justin Case;47846584]This doesn't mean they're not having sex, it just means they're having safe sex. We've all seen their pornos; you need a safe word or lose your bratwurst[/QUOTE] Of course they're having sex, they're just not having relationships or having child free ones.

[QUOTE=TheNerdPest14;47840623]Wonder if this ever gets to America, this thing with a dropping birth rate.[/QUOTE] AFAIK whites/asians in America actually are affected by this problem, but the overall population growth is decent because of latino/african american immigration and their babymaking, as immigrants and the poor are likely to have more kids.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47846655]That's kinda what happens when your goal is to build a career instead of a family. There are plenty of people with plenty of money but due to that they ironically choose not to have kids since they can spend their free time traveling and stuff instead of taking care of their kids and becoming even more stressed. Having no kids in modern world simply brings a lot more advantages. You save on money and health, then you can spend said money to further improve your health. I use the term equality loosely because now both men and women are encouraged to work. And when both people work, it's a hassle to have kids.[/QUOTE] What bothers me with people like this is that they often get two or three dogs instead. I dare to say they still feel the need for some additional emotional commitment, so they replace kids with pets.

[QUOTE=AntonioR;47847102]What bothers me with people like this is that they often get two or three dogs instead. I dare to say they still feel the need for some additional emotional commitment, so they replace kids with pets.[/QUOTE] There's less effort with pets, so they're taking the easy way. But that just shows the flaws of the current system where parents are bound to be stressed constantly. Want a higher birth rate? then lessen the burden on potential and current parents.

[QUOTE=Van-man;47847137]There's less effort with pets, so they're taking the easy way. But that just shows the flaws of the current system where parents are bound to be stressed constantly. Want a higher birth rate? then lessen the burden on potential and current parents.[/QUOTE] If it's a question of economic burden, then why is it that the poorest people in the world are the ones with the highest birthrate?

[QUOTE=AntonioR;47847102]What bothers me with people like this is that they often get two or three dogs instead. I dare to say they still feel the need for some additional emotional commitment, so they replace kids with pets.[/QUOTE]I'm one of these people. While currently I do not have pets, I'm getting a dog or two over a child any time. Human babies are a huge investment with arguable returns. [editline]31st May 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Hamaflavian;47847550]If it's a question of economic burden, then why is it that the poorest people in the world are the ones with the highest birthrate?[/QUOTE] It's because when you're very poor, a lot of fun things get limited. All you're really left with is sex. And since you're poor, you don't bother to buy contraceptives. This results in a lot of babies and a never ending cycle. They also can't afford an abortion. As a poor couple all you really can do is work and fuck. No going out, no vacations to exotic places, nothing. And often poor people are not as educated. There's also a trend that more educated people have less kids.

[QUOTE=Hamaflavian;47847550]If it's a question of economic burden, then why is it that the poorest people in the world are the ones with the highest birthrate?[/QUOTE] Lack of education, and more kids that aren't infants = more hands capable of working for the family. That and prevention is non-existent or viewed as a heretic thing by their religion. They really take the shotgun approach when having kids.

I'm going to propose something many may disagree with. Come up with a way to gestate human beings where a woman doesn't need to carry them. I think part of the lower birth rate may have to do with women not wanting to harbor a parasite for 9 months. I'm being blunt about that. A fetus is effectively a parasite. Potentially a cute parasite, but a parasite. Not to mention the potential of complications and the psychological toll that can take on someone. Yes, I know it would topple us into some dystopian future as seen in any number of movies. Yes, I know it'll lead to a clone apocalypse. Yes, I know it will make it easier for the aliens to succeed in their hybridization experiments. Yes, I know it's unnatural and against God. Nature is brutal and if God(s) wants to say something they can come on down and speak up. Do a TED Talk.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;47847746]I'm going to propose something many may disagree with. Come up with a way to gestate human beings where a woman doesn't need to carry them. I think part of the lower birth rate may have to do with women not wanting to harbor a parasite for 9 months. I'm being blunt about that. A fetus is effectively a parasite. Potentially a cute parasite, but a parasite. Not to mention the potential of complications and the psychological toll that can take on someone. Yes, I know it would topple us into some dystopian future as seen in any number of movies. Yes, I know it'll lead to a clone apocalypse. Yes, I know it will make it easier for the aliens to succeed in their hybridization experiments. Yes, I know it's unnatural and against God. Nature is brutal and if God(s) wants to say something they can come on down and speak up. Do a TED Talk.[/QUOTE] Nah, that's literally not the big issue. The big issue is the 10 or so years after the kid(s) are born, where they have to take care of the little sod while managing their work schedule and also have enough free time to relax.

[QUOTE=Van-man;47847788]Nah, that's literally not the big issue. The big issue is the 10 or so years after the kid(s) are born, where they have to take care of the little sod while managing their work schedule and also have enough free time to relax.[/QUOTE] On that note, we seriously need to take a look back at the "it takes a village to raise a child" thing. There's a lot of distrust in the western world. Some people feel that others aren't their problem and that everyone should deal with their own crap. Investing in the community and society at large is really, really important. It can help ease those difficulties. But it requires everyone to not be selfish a-holes.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;47847566] It's because when you're very poor, a lot of fun things get limited. All you're really left with is sex. And since you're poor, you don't bother to buy contraceptives. This results in a lot of babies and a never ending cycle. They also can't afford an abortion. As a poor couple all you really can do is work and fuck. No going out, no vacations to exotic places, nothing. And often poor people are not as educated. There's also a trend that more educated people have less kids.[/QUOTE] This is actually incorrect, the primary reasons people have like 6-7 kids in Africa is due to culture, lack of social security and the advantages of extra labor. An 8-9 year old child may not be able to work the fields, but they can keep an eye on the goats, and when those children are older? Not only are they tending the fields, but when they're off and married they'll be able to support the parents when they can't support themselves, something we don't really have a problem with in the West due to socialized medicine/welfare/social security. Children cost a shitload of money in the West due to things like upper education, medicine and items which make child-rearing [I]easier[/I]. Culture also plays a part in it, as a man who can sire five children and support them is seen as a "real man", while a woman fertile enough to bear five births is a "proper woman." After all, how can someone really call themselves a man or woman if they can't do the thing they're built for?

[QUOTE=Grimhound;47847899]On that note, we seriously need to take a look back at the "it takes a village to raise a child" thing. There's a lot of distrust in the western world. Some people feel that others aren't their problem and that everyone should deal with their own crap. Investing in the community and society at large is really, really important. It can help ease those difficulties. But it requires everyone to not be selfish a-holes.[/QUOTE] The problem is more lack of trust in others, and that asking for help makes you look weak and also portrayed as a failure. Also back in ye olde days you'd have grandparents capable of looking after the grandkids, but nowadays they're increasingly working until they literally can't do anything anymore

[QUOTE=Van-man;47847936]The problem is more lack of trust in others, and that asking for help makes you look weak and also portrayed as a failure. Also back in ye olde days you'd have grandparents capable of looking after the grandkids, but nowadays they're increasingly working until they literally can't do anything anymore[/QUOTE] Back in the ye olde days you could dump your young kids off at a creche so you could work. I know. I hit many a creche with fireballs in Black & White. Still exists as daycare, but that can be expensive. And if my memories of early childhood are still relevant, they tend to suck.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;47847975]Back in the ye olde days you could dump your young kids off at a creche so you could work. I know. I hit many a creche with fireballs in Black & White.[/QUOTE] The problems is the daycare centers opening hours are most likely cut short due to their funding being used on retirement homes instead. Short sighted politics due to appealing to the massive amount of elderly voters, yaaay.