The DNC Just Screwed Over Bernie Sanders and Spit in Voters’ Faces - Polidicks

God the election process in the US is a joke... I wish Sanders had the capability of going Teddy R in the election and forming his own "Bull Moose Party", but nowadays I'd imagine that'd be impossible.

i hope this comes to bite them, they're not going to use the superdeligates to give hillary a victory, though they are using them currently to make it look like she isn't winning

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49716083]i wish we had runoff voting instead of first past the post. i would rather vote several times, with each vote dropping the candidate with the lowest percentage, than have our current system[/QUOTE] This. AV has its problems as well, of course, but it's far better than fptp. We had the chance to get it here by referendum, but because one of the main parties is pretty cosy with the press, a huge misinformation campaign was unleashed on it, and the people were left thinking it was overly complicated, even though it's not. I personally prefer pr for electing parliaments, but for a presidential election, runoff voting is definitely way better.

I am of the view if the system isn't working, then it is not worth saving.

[QUOTE=geel9;49716065]yes and people will fucking DIE because you "wanted anarchy lol"[/QUOTE] You mean the people wanted Anarchy because they voted for Trump.

[QUOTE=plokoon9619;49716004]And this is why were fucked. If it comes down to Hilary vs Donald, I'll vote Donald, not because I just can't stand Hilary, but because I want the country to go into Anarchy. Just imagine, a Conservative as president, majority control of the supreme court, and house going into the Republicans. Each part of the government will be controlled by the same Ideology. Homosexuality will be banned and outlawed, Obama care gone, Insurance rates skyrocket, Pharmacy prices go up 3000%, Minimum wage is abolished, unemployment skyrockets to 30% and above, education is restricted to the privileged and wealthy, interest rates go up 40-50% on all loans, riots in the street, middle class families can no longer support themselves to even have a roof, all the government programs such as social security are gone, Corporations gain continued rights and protections, minority genocide occurs, martial law is declared across the country, a revolution is declared and squashed, and through all this happening, we will be born again as a true Christian nation as the son of God intended it to be![/QUOTE] thats uh very edgy and unrealistic of you buddy

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;49715856]Then start a political party.[/QUOTE] It doesn't work that way in the US, there are plenty of alternate political parties, the Greens, the Socialists, the Libertarians, but you can't actually be officially recognized and belonging to a specific party unless that party is Republican or Democrat in almost every state. If you register as Independent, you lose the ability to vote in either primary, and you can't register as anything other than Republican, Democrat, or Independent.

[QUOTE=plokoon9619;49716004]And this is why were fucked. If it comes down to Hilary vs Donald, I'll vote Donald, not because I just can't stand Hilary, but because I want the country to go into Anarchy. Just imagine, a Conservative as president, majority control of the supreme court, and house going into the Republicans. Each part of the government will be controlled by the same Ideology. Homosexuality will be banned and outlawed, Obama care gone, Insurance rates skyrocket, Pharmacy prices go up 3000%, Minimum wage is abolished, unemployment skyrockets to 30% and above, education is restricted to the privileged and wealthy, interest rates go up 40-50% on all loans, riots in the street, middle class families can no longer support themselves to even have a roof, all the government programs such as social security are gone, Corporations gain continued rights and protections, minority genocide occurs, martial law is declared across the country, a revolution is declared and squashed, and through all this happening, we will be born again as a true Christian nation as the son of God intended it to be![/QUOTE] Yeah that's totally what's gonna happen if Donald is elected

So if I understand this right this is more of a scare tactic? more so than something that means anything if for some reason he wins Nevada, wont this start to back fire on them if they keep pulling this shit?

[QUOTE=plokoon9619;49716004]And this is why were fucked. If it comes down to Hilary vs Donald, I'll vote Donald, not because I just can't stand Hilary, but because I want the country to go into Anarchy. Just imagine, a Conservative as president, majority control of the supreme court, and house going into the Republicans. Each part of the government will be controlled by the same Ideology. Homosexuality will be banned and outlawed, Obama care gone, Insurance rates skyrocket, Pharmacy prices go up 3000%, Minimum wage is abolished, unemployment skyrockets to 30% and above, education is restricted to the privileged and wealthy, interest rates go up 40-50% on all loans, riots in the street, middle class families can no longer support themselves to even have a roof, all the government programs such as social security are gone, Corporations gain continued rights and protections, minority genocide occurs, martial law is declared across the country, a revolution is declared and squashed, and through all this happening, we will be born again as a true Christian nation as the son of God intended it to be![/QUOTE] Trump is actually quite Liberal when compared to other Republican candidates. Not a fan myself but people really like to exaggerate how bad he is.

Had this worked in Bernie's favor you all would be ecstatic. And not that I wish Bernie success in anything, but there are still a shitload of delegates to be pledged

[QUOTE=plokoon9619;49716004]And this is why were fucked. If it comes down to Hilary vs Donald, I'll vote Donald, not because I just can't stand Hilary, but because I want the country to go into Anarchy. Just imagine, a Conservative as president, majority control of the supreme court, and house going into the Republicans. Each part of the government will be controlled by the same Ideology. Homosexuality will be banned and outlawed, Obama care gone, Insurance rates skyrocket, Pharmacy prices go up 3000%, Minimum wage is abolished, unemployment skyrockets to 30% and above, education is restricted to the privileged and wealthy, interest rates go up 40-50% on all loans, riots in the street, middle class families can no longer support themselves to even have a roof, all the government programs such as social security are gone, Corporations gain continued rights and protections, minority genocide occurs, martial law is declared across the country, a revolution is declared and squashed, and through all this happening, we will be born again as a true Christian nation as the son of God intended it to be![/QUOTE] deus vult

[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;49716238]So if I understand this right this is more of a scare tactic? more so than something that means anything if for some reason he wins Nevada, wont this start to back fire on them if they keep pulling this shit?[/QUOTE] As someone put it in another thread, it's a way for the leadership of the party to make sure that "the establishment" stays in control. If a candidate tries to win the democratic vote, they need either the support of the party, or to win the popular vote by a larger margin than a simple majority to win the candidacy. If Sanders wins the nomination by 1% according to the people then the Democratic party has enough delegates who can ignore the people to make Hillary win instead.

[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;49716293]As someone put it in another thread, it's a way for the leadership of the party to make sure that "the establishment" stays in control. If a candidate tries to win the democratic vote, they need either the support of the party, or to win the popular vote by a larger margin than a simple majority to win the candidacy. If Sanders wins the nomination by 1% according to the people then the Democratic party has enough delegates who can ignore the people to make Hillary win instead.[/QUOTE] That is so Fucked

Why can't one vote just be one vote

Isn't this basically how the electoral college works? If the popular vote breakdowns put the race close to but above 50%, it can go the other way (and was on track to for Bush when Gore conceded), as I understand it.

[QUOTE=Govna;49715984]This is what we need: the introduction of a new party into the process. One that capitalizes on the growing discontent that's evolving in Americans towards both the Republicans and the Democrats. I wonder sometimes if this wasn't what Obama wanted originally with that OFA thing he started. In any case, the priority objective of this new party must be to get people to understand that they have the power in this country at the end of the day, and what they say goes. They've got the power, but they've got to start exercising it and working together-- or else not a fucking thing is going to get done. Honestly, somebody like Sanders running something along those lines would be fantastic, especially given the fanatical support he's got (he's got [i]a lot[/i] of diehard followers). Imagine if he took his supporters, organized them as footmen in this new party, and started leading the charge against Washington. If we could organize new Million Man Marches like what we saw with the Civil Rights Movement in the 1960s, if we could act nonviolently but at the same time show emotional frustration and aggression against our political leaders, imagine how much we could get done. Intimidation must be the strategy if there's going to be any change. "We're angry, there's a lot of us, start listening to our demands and start working for us... or else." It's clear the establishment isn't going to reform itself at this point. If a candidate like Sanders cannot infiltrate it with his ideas and with his supporters by winning the election for the presidency, which would be the best way to start, then we'll just have to start eradicating it as outsiders working our way inwards. We need a new party, new rhetoric, new tactics and overall strategies that are more populist-based, rely on the people as the muscle, and (while they should be kept nonviolent) are more aggressive and show not only the vast numbers of people who are demanding change but must also make clear exactly how bitter and serious they are about it. Direct action is a sublime weapon if it's cultivated and utilized properly. This cannot be tolerated. Not only our present socio-economic circumstances that are pitiful for millions of Americans, but moreover this clubhouse game behavior that dominates our political system today and clogs it with greed and corruption.[/QUOTE] Whig Party comin back hard

[QUOTE=TheTalon;49716308]Why can't one vote just be one vote[/QUOTE] Minority groups would receive literally zero representation. Direct democracy has quite a few issues when you blow it up to a national scale.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49716315]Minority groups would receive literally zero representation. Direct democracy has quite a few issues when you blow it up to a national scale.[/QUOTE] But the majority voted for Sanders and they're not getting Sanders so the majority isn't getting the representation...

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49716011]I'm voting for Libertarian candidate Gary Johnson so I hope I'm at least bringing some tiny, probably insignificant but still there attention to the fledgling Libertarian Party as an option other than Red and Blue.[/QUOTE] I'm confused, you were just saying that third parties are bad because they split the vote and then you say you're voting for a third party? [editline]11th February 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;49716315]Minority groups would receive literally zero representation. Direct democracy has quite a few issues when you blow it up to a national scale.[/QUOTE] That's not true, though. Neither the electoral college nor the superdelegates help minorities, and those are the only two ways I know of that make one vote =/= one vote. Majority tyranny is prevented by the fact that we have representatives. Direct democracy is different than representative.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49716315]Minority groups would receive literally zero representation. Direct democracy has quite a few issues when you blow it up to a national scale.[/QUOTE] The majority getting what they want and the minority getting nothing is better than the minority getting what they want and the majority getting nothing. Sure it's best when the majority and minority compromise, but in a situation where compromise is impossible, the more fair option is that the majority wins.

This country will be absolutely [B]FUCKED[/B] if Clinton wins.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;49716367]This country will be absolutely [B]FUCKED[/B] if Clinton wins.[/QUOTE] no

[QUOTE=phygon;49716345]That's not true, though. Neither the electoral college nor the superdelegates help minorities, and those are the only two ways I know of that make one vote =/= one vote. Majority tyranny is prevented by the fact that we have representatives. Direct democracy is different than representative.[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, I'm not saying the superdelegates system actually works. Just that direct democracy is a bit iffy at a national scale, hence why we move to these more complex voting systems. Using representatives is pretty much required for any large country, but even that isn't going to reflect the wants of the people perfectly. Though almost anything would be better than the superdelegate system as the ability to just "lolno" the public opinion in favour of the party line is kinda shitty to say the least.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;49716400]Oh yeah, I'm not saying the superdelegates system actually works. Just that direct democracy is a bit iffy at a national scale, hence why we move to these more complex voting systems. Using representatives is pretty much required for any large country, but even that isn't going to reflect the wants of the people perfectly. Though almost anything would be better than the superdelegate system as the ability to just "lolno" the public opinion in favour of the party line is kinda shitty to say the least.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone was saying direct democracy was a good idea, he was just saying that one vote should equal one vote when it comes to electing the people that represent us and I'm inclined to agree. The whole delegate system is entirely fucked up. Hell, delegates aren't actually required to vote for who their voters pledged to, if I remember correctly. It's just a fucked up contrived system from ages past when it really should be "show up to your polling place to vote", or even better, "scan your state ID with your webcam and click who you want to vote for" and then have that one vote be that one vote. The thing with superdelegates, and this is part of my problem with the two party system, is that they sully the fuck out of democracy. They allow some arbitrary organization to go "lmao fuck you" to the voters and just CHOOSE who they want instead of allowing a vote, because the party itself isn't subject to the rules that the actual election is.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;49716367]This country will be absolutely [B]FUCKED[/B] if Clinton wins.[/QUOTE] Not really. I really think Bernie threads are a giant echo chamber wherein people convince themselves Clinton is some sort of maniacal supervillian. I'm not against Bernie btw.

NO. STOP. I don't like superdelegates but if bernie wins more pledged delegates they will SWITCH. THEY WILL NOT SWING AN ELECTION, THAT IS SUICIDE.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;49716367]This country will be absolutely [B]FUCKED[/B] if Clinton wins.[/QUOTE] While I don't like or trust Clinton, we've had worse presidents. Far worse. This country survived electing Grant twice, and Grant was utterly incapable of preventing, recognizing, or reacting to corruption on any level.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;49716367]This country will be absolutely [B]FUCKED[/B] if Clinton wins.[/QUOTE] It's not gonna collapse, but it's not gonna be great. Actually that line applies to a lot of the candidates running.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;49716367]This country will be absolutely [B]FUCKED[/B] if Clinton wins.[/QUOTE] no it will just be the same old crap with no real change just some things the done to look like real change but really nothing will be done nothing something super good or bad it will just be " meh "