UK leads war against dysgenics as man with learning difficulties forcibly sterilized - Polidicks

[QUOTE=thf;41860325]There's a problem with where you draw that line though. One could say Hitler had exactly the same mindset (I'm not taking any position here).[/QUOTE] There is a bit of difference between removing a disease, lets say color blindness, through careful modification or selection with out bias and completely trying to eradicate a people because you thought they had a inferior "race" but your point still stands.

[QUOTE=(~_^);41859951]It sets an important precedent.[/QUOTE] "man doesn't want to have more kids" hmmm i'm.... surprised

[QUOTE=Jdeedler;41860442]There is a bit of difference between removing a disease, lets say color blindness, through careful modification or selection with out bias and completely trying to eradicate a people because you [b]thought[/b] they had a inferior "race" but your point still stands.[/QUOTE] Just the way we "think" that people with some things that [b]most people[/b] classify as diseases are inferior. The fact that an "inferior" race isn't a disease is just a really popular opinion, just like every other classification. But I think you understand me pretty good.

I'm OK with this - i personally don't want children because i don't want to spread around my fucked up genes though, so i'm a bit prejudiced with my opinion here :v: (Also, i don't want my children to go through the things i had to go through, that's kinda the *real* reason behind me not wanting children)

There in lies the problem at the moment, Collectively as a whole we still check mark ourselves in the respective ethnicity or "race" box instead the human box. The world is still quite racist. And while there are some differences between ethnicity, We're pretty well rounded as a species.

Right, that headline is an appalling misrepresentation of the facts presented. Jesus have a bit of care when writing things like that? What happened: Man gets sterilized because he does not want to have another child but lacks the mental capacity to use contraception. What you've suggested: UK government forces man to be sterilized due to disability. I mean for fucks sake, I know it's "Sensationalist Headlines" but at least try to present the facts properly or go and work for the Daily Mail. [QUOTE=Nitro-Trucker;41860005]I know i'm going to get a dumb tsumani but i'm okay with things like this. We don't want people with downs or other disformities to spread their harmful genes do we?[/QUOTE] What the fuck is this?

[QUOTE=Nitro-Trucker;41860005]I know i'm going to get a dumb tsumani but i'm okay with things like this. We don't want people with downs or other disformities to spread their harmful genes do we?[/QUOTE] If we start there we might as well stop the negros from reproducing too, and the gays, etc

[QUOTE=Nitro-Trucker;41860005]I know i'm going to get a dumb tsumani but i'm okay with things like this. We don't want people with downs or other disformities to spread their harmful genes do we?[/QUOTE] Yes because what is human rights? Lolll!!! Fuck people, right! They're just dumb bumbling retards, and not sentient, cogent beings that speak, think, and feel, right! They're just like NPC's! [editline]16th August 2013[/editline] I'm glad that the title is a steaming load of bullshit and that this WAS infact voluntary, by the way. I didn't just ride off the title alone.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;41859866]Sounds a lot like what the Nazis in Germany wanted to do during their glory days.[/QUOTE] [img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Wir_stehen_nicht_allein.png/300px-Wir_stehen_nicht_allein.png[/img] Countries bottom-to-right: Nations planning/looking into a Eugenics program Countries on left: Nations [I]with[/I] a Eugenics program

Spartans were probably the first ever society to practice in fairly violent eugenics yet everyone thinks they're so fucking cool.

[QUOTE=Midas22;41861292]Spartans were probably the first ever society to practice in fairly violent eugenics yet everyone thinks they're so fucking cool.[/QUOTE] For all what people spoke of it, Spartan society was ultimately a failure.

[QUOTE=Midas22;41861292]Spartans were probably the first ever society to practice in fairly violent eugenics yet everyone thinks they're so fucking cool.[/QUOTE] spartans are lame as fuck [editline]16th August 2013[/editline] athens on top non-stop

From what i heard vasectomy can be undone

He says he wants it, it's not like they're kidnapping him and cutting off his balls

[QUOTE=Midas22;41861292]Spartans were probably the first ever society to practice in fairly violent eugenics yet everyone thinks they're so fucking cool.[/QUOTE] people who think spartans are cool are probably 1. people who have only watched 300 2. people with a hard on for city states 3. people with little to no background on how Sparta actually worked 4. nazis also I just learned that the name for admiring the spartans is [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laconophilia"]Laconophilia[/URL]

[QUOTE=(~_^);41859889]Actually many countries practiced eugenics before the Nazis came along. It was considered the bleeding edge of progressivism. Then the Nazis came along and gave it a bad name.[/QUOTE] It was considered the bleeding edge of progress because there were a lot of racist, ignorant, and bigoted shits back then. The stuff people did was abominable, and that's why it has a bad name.

[QUOTE=(~_^);41859951]It sets an important precedent.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Nitro-Trucker;41860005]I know i'm going to get a dumb tsumani but i'm okay with things like this. We don't want people with downs or other disformities to spread their harmful genes do we?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jdeedler;41860271]Honestly, if we can try to keep certain terrible hereditary diseases out of the gene pool we should. The problem there lay in how do we check for these things and getting public acceptance. I don't think many people want mandatory DNA tests to label themselves as defective in some way or another.[/QUOTE] Why do you guys hate freedom so much?

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;41862651]Why do you guys hate freedom so much?[/QUOTE] It may come across as such, and I can definitely see where you got that impression, but I don't see an issue. He practically flat-out said that he did not want any more children. Not only does it reduce the strain on his mind, it keeps mental disability out of the gene pool just a little bit more. I'm not saying it should be compulsory, but I think it should become common practice for those who don't want to influence future populations via dysgenics

[QUOTE=Louis;41859890]If he does not want to become a father again, and is unable to have the capacity to make decisions about child contraception then what's wrong with this? Its not like they decided he shouldn't be able to have kids because he has learning difficulties and just sterilised him to stop his genes spreading. Talk about a sensationalist fucking headline[/QUOTE] Ironically, this is also extremely wise of him, since there are a lot of idiots who can't take care of their children but won't put them, say, up for adoption or something.

[QUOTE=IceyMalone;41863293]it keeps mental disability out of the gene pool just a little bit more.[/QUOTE] will you be volunteering for sterilisation to keep yours out the gene pool? honestly that's an absolutely terrible way to view the world

[QUOTE=Hellduck;41863326]will you be volunteering for sterilisation to keep yours out the gene pool? honestly that's an absolutely terrible way to view the world[/QUOTE] If I had a hereditary learning disability, I'd sacrifice my ability to have children knowing they could easily end up the same way as me, along with the likelihood I would be incompetent as a parent

[QUOTE=IceyMalone;41863504]If I had a hereditary learning disability, I'd sacrifice my ability to have children knowing they could easily end up the same way as me, along with the likelihood I would be incompetent as a parent[/QUOTE] ok, but not everyone in that situation would do the same, and they should have the right to choose. it shouldnt be common practice, common practice should be opt-in

[QUOTE=IceyMalone;41863504]If I had a hereditary learning disability, I'd sacrifice my ability to have children knowing they could easily end up the same way as me, along with the likelihood I would be incompetent as a parent[/QUOTE] Voluntary sterilization of certain incurable debilitating genetic traits should be heavily encouraged. Mandatory sterilization of certain unfavorable genetic traits, absolutely not. If someone carries Huntington Disease, they should be heavily warned that any children they have could inherent the disease and have a slow and painful death 20 years after symptoms appear, and offer free sterilizations if the person wishes. Any disease that can totally ruin somebody's life or kill them or cause them enormous amounts of pain should be given this option. Improving the gene pool is a noble idea, but making it mandatory is not.

Even better idea: Pluck the shitty genes out, yes it would take a while to be actually able to do, but is much more better

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;41861273][img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d0/Wir_stehen_nicht_allein.png/300px-Wir_stehen_nicht_allein.png[/img] Countries bottom-to-right: Nations planning/looking into a Eugenics program Countries on left: Nations [I]with[/I] a Eugenics program[/QUOTE] Bit hard to read, but that's the US, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland with eugenics programs, right? And the bottom is Japan, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Switzerland, the UK, and another country.

[QUOTE=Megafan;41871783]Bit hard to read, but that's the US, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, and Finland with eugenics programs, right? And the bottom is Japan, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Switzerland, the UK, and another country.[/QUOTE] Exactly. The US and Scandinavia were already running Eugenics programs, while a multitude of other European nations were soon to follow suit. This was printed after the Nazi eugenics program took some flak (no pun intended) from other countries. They decided to say "Well hey, we're not alone".

Why not inform people about the problems the children could have and give them the choice to either adopt, continue to do what the want, or stop what they're doing? I'm all for choices, but we should work our way from the poor genes people have.

Finland had a eugenics program? That's news to me, and rather disturbing.