Doctor kills patient with a single punch in Russia - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Lium;49502557]Manslaughter, not murder.[/QUOTE] manslaughtering a guy for no reason isnt really cool imo

[QUOTE=Skyward;49503130]manslaughtering a guy for no reason isnt really cool imo[/QUOTE] as much as your trying..that sentence doesn't make sense you can't manslaughter someone on purpose therefore you cant do it for no reason the entire concept of manslaughter is accidental death

[QUOTE=mini me;49503241]as much as your trying..that sentence doesn't make sense you can't manslaughter someone on purpose therefore you cant do it for no reason the entire concept of manslaughter is accidental death[/QUOTE] True. I guess I just find the fact that someone got killed accidentally to not be very [I]"cool".[/I]

[QUOTE=Skyward;49503244]True. I guess I just find the fact that someone got killed accidentally to not be very [I]"cool".[/I][/QUOTE] tbh the doctor handled it horribly ..but i get the feeling there's more to this ..for all we know he really went for it and slips a hand down her pants for a second or something. then again if he was just being a general perv (which there is a lot of in hospitals and similar places) then he should have just manned up and put in a complaint with manager/security whatever instead not so sure it was the punch. the crack sound i think is is head smacking the floor and notice the nurses seem more shocked at that than the actual punch sue the floor! sue gravity!

[QUOTE=Handsome Matt;49503087]Am I missing something? All I see at 5:45 is the doctor randomly start beating the shit out of the guy unprovoked.[/QUOTE] Yes, you miss the part where the doctor enters the room, stops and waits for the small nurse to point at the patient, and then confronts him. Obviously she lead him there for some reason.

I didn't see the patient attack the nurse, am I missing something or is there more to the video? Just looks like the doctor fucks the guy up for no reason.

[QUOTE=mini me;49503291] not so sure it was the punch. the crack sound i think is is head smacking the floor and notice the nurses seem more shocked at that than the actual punch sue the floor! sue gravity![/QUOTE] And he hit the ground because he was knocked unconscious from a massive punch, so what's your point?

[QUOTE=nox;49503744]And he hit the ground because he was knocked unconscious from a massive punch, so what's your point?[/QUOTE] you could just as easily cause that by bumping into somebody and making them trip over something. nobody has the power to magically calibrate a punch so it sends someone falling at a specific angle and speed.

[QUOTE=Crazy Ivan;49502983]How do you [I]not[/I] intend grievous bodily harm when you throw a punch strong enough to kill someone?[/QUOTE] "He threw a punch strong enough to kill someone, therefore he [I]intended[/I] to throw a punch strong enough to kill someone"

Doesn't even look like the first punch on the man that died connected, looks like he fell and smacked his head [editline]11th January 2016[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rFe81cK.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/M9ee9lU.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SQNljeC.png[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49502848]Sorry guys, it's murder. Homicide can be considered murder if there was intent to cause grievous bodily harm, even if there was no intent to kill.[/QUOTE] murder is the premeditated act of killing a human being. the doctor didn't enter the room planning on killing the guy, thus it's not murder, but manslaughter.

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;49505421]murder is the premeditated act of killing a human being. the doctor didn't enter the room planning on killing the guy, thus it's not murder, but manslaughter.[/QUOTE] No, but he planned on attacking him and inflicting injuries, as evidenced by the fact that he went in with the intent to punch the man. That, in some cases, is sufficient to prove murder if the man dies as a result of his punch. Of course, in this specific case it's up to the lawyers to argue the facts of the case, and for the judge to pass judgement. [QUOTE=zombini;49502990]Punching someone doesn't count as grievous bodily harm, otherwise getting pissed at your girlfriend's lover and socking him in the jaw would get you a felony charge and several years in prison. GBH involves leaving permanent scarring wounds on someone, such as breaking a guy's arm or cutting a finger off. This was accidental, and Russian law regarding an accidental killing says he'll get 5 years in prison at the most.[/QUOTE] Single punches that result in severe head injuries have been charged as grievous bodily harm in the past. I'd say death is a pretty severe head injury. As someone else has pointed out, though, he could have died as a result of the fall rather than the punch, so it's up to the coroner to decide the cause of death. This is all going off my knowledge of US/UK law, and Russian law may be very different, so read as appropriate.

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;49505421]murder is the premeditated act of killing a human being. the doctor didn't enter the room planning on killing the guy, thus it's not murder, but manslaughter.[/QUOTE] He did however plan on assaulting him, and being a surgeon he should know that punching old people can lead to death. It's a slippery slope I'm no law man, but i think that's second degree murder

Looks like there was a second nurse that came in, in purple, who pointed to the man, who then got punched by the doctor. The offense didn't happen on camera, just the altercation. I don't know if I would say the killing punch was intended, he had just gotten assaulted by the other man so he may have made the punch due to that circumstance.

What the hell did the guy in black ever do to him? Doc is like a complete psycho.

[QUOTE=Talvy;49507928]What the hell did the guy in black ever do to him? Doc is like a complete psycho.[/QUOTE] Looks like the Doc flipped when the guy tried to intervene and lashed out against him. That bugged me more than him getting the shirtless guy killed.

[QUOTE=sam6420;49508441]People in here arguing like they're lawyers lmfao.[/QUOTE] Every idiot that had a legal class in high school thinks this is their time to shine.

[QUOTE=Bruhmis;49503941]you could just as easily cause that by bumping into somebody and making them trip over something. nobody has the power to magically calibrate a punch so it sends someone falling at a specific angle and speed.[/QUOTE] no but you could...you know... not punch him?

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;49508710]Every idiot that had a legal class in high school thinks this is their time to shine.[/QUOTE] God forbid people discuss news

dude wasn't even a threat, he just wandered in confused and got fucking slammed

[QUOTE=Oscar Lima Echo;49508710]Every idiot that had a legal class in high school thinks this is their time to shine.[/QUOTE] I'm not a lawyer or a law student but I occasionally discuss legal theory with my friends (who are lawyers) and read up on it. Is that enough for you?

I'm legit terrified of big guys like the doctor who start throwing punches and kicks before taking any answers to their questions.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;49513002]I'm not a lawyer or a law student but I occasionally discuss legal theory with my friends (who are lawyers) and read up on it. Is that enough for you?[/QUOTE] Nope, you have to have a law degree to discuss the law in any capacity. And only a coroner should be talking about how the guy died. Now I have top posting, because a person with a degree in astrophysics might now enough about Earth's revolution to say that it's getting late.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;49502987]I don't know if you can decide to end a life throwing punch. I think that's something that just happens.[/QUOTE] Still fully guilty. He knew what could happen. Especially considering he is a doctor. Sometimes I hate my country because it's considered "okay". [editline]12th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Apache249;49504984]"He threw a punch strong enough to kill someone, therefore he [I]intended[/I] to throw a punch strong enough to kill someone"[/QUOTE] According to Russian law it's the same thing. There are different things though:"kill by accident" and "kill by intent". Unless you were drunk and pushed your friend after which he fell and smashed his head (personally know one guy that spent 10 years in prison for that) or something similar it will be classified as kill by intent, murder. Because when you punch someone it's an attack, if you kill someone in the process of your attack you are fully guilty as if you were craving his death. I am no lawyer, it's probably more complex than that, but from my anecdotal experiences I am sure it will be classified as murder. And rightfully so. You don't just casually punch someone if you are civilized and then act like "it was just a punch, I never intended to kill anyone!", which a lot of people do.

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I'm mostly disappointed because all the doctors I've met personally have only managed to kill their patients with multiple punches.

[QUOTE=smithy285;49505324]Doesn't even look like the first punch on the man that died connected, looks like he fell and smacked his head [editline]11th January 2016[/editline] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/rFe81cK.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/M9ee9lU.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/SQNljeC.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] and what about the left hand punch in 3rd?

He is facing two years max. No justice. That guy went there to get his stomach pain checked. Nothing he could have done to that nurse made him deserve this fate.

where's zonesylvania when u need him [editline]17th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Apache249;49504984]"He threw a punch strong enough to kill someone, therefore he [I]intended[/I] to throw a punch strong enough to kill someone"[/QUOTE] lmao... "but i intended to squeeze the trigger very gently, officer"

I think this would be "vold med døden til følge" ("Violence-induced death") here in Denmark, which carries a lower maximum sentence than outright murder. Don't know if Russia has a similar distinction. [editline]17th January 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=innerfire69;49548066]where's zonesylvania when u need him [editline]17th January 2016[/editline] lmao... "but i intended to squeeze the trigger very gently, officer"[/QUOTE] What's Zonesylvania gonna say? That he died? If someone pulls a trigger on someone (even gently), you can in almost any case assume that the perpetrator intended to kill the other person. People fight all the time without intent to kill, though. People generally don't die from a single punch, while you should keep in mind that it [I]can[/I] happen, it's really not someone the average person should expect. I once punched a guy in the face back in 5th grade. He didn't die, and I didn't expect to kill either - it was just supposed to hurt a lot. Not saying the guy shouldn't go to jail.