Donald Trump flips his stance on torture; killing terrorists families - Polidicks

i like to imagine that in the event of trump becoming a president he turns out to be the best president ever

[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;49868346]don't talk shit about Bernie!!![/QUOTE] I am quite sure he is talking about hilarious clitoris.

how long until Trump calls for ghetto's for muslims and then retracts on that? I wonder if he's going to announce that he's a vegan next and that he wants to put Muslims through 'humanitarian counseling'

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49872206]Surprised Fat White Lump hasn't entered the thread yet.[/QUOTE] I heard if you look into a mirror at midnight and say his name 3 times, you hear a voice saying "Make America Great Again."

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;49870698]Imagine supporting a presidential candidate whom you have to actively hope [B][I]doesn't[/I][/B] follow through on his campaign promises. [editline].[/editline] [I]"I am voting for Trump because he'd make a great president as long as he long as he does none of the things he said he wants to do."[/I][/QUOTE] To be fair, thats kinda my stance on Bernie Sanders

[QUOTE=draugur;49871644]If Trump is pulling a massive long-con and turns out to be yanking the GOP's chain the entire way to the bank I'll gladly look that man in the eyes and shake his hand if I ever get the chance. No hard feelings at that point, the man would be a fucking genius.[/QUOTE] Maybe before the whole Romney thing, but I've met people like Trump before and he's in this to win for his own self satisfaction and nothing else, in a way he is a real life Frank Underwood, only out for power, but even Underwood was smart enough to not come off as an idiot

[QUOTE=Sableye;49872725]Maybe before the whole Romney thing, but I've met people like Trump before and he's in this to win for his own self satisfaction and nothing else, in a way he is a real life Frank Underwood, only out for power, but even Underwood was smart enough to not come off as an idiot[/QUOTE] yep, everything I've heard about him from his past is that he's an egomaniac and totally obsessed with himself

[QUOTE=Luni;49872936]yep, everything I've heard about him from his past is that he's an egomaniac and totally obsessed with himself[/QUOTE] dude paid to have a board game designed about him [img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/51/cf/6051cf9e2bd9e986a387dc1dc3d525b9.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49873340]dude paid to have a board game designed about him [img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/51/cf/6051cf9e2bd9e986a387dc1dc3d525b9.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] of fucking course its made to look gold :v:

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;49873340]dude paid to have a board game designed about him [img]https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/51/cf/6051cf9e2bd9e986a387dc1dc3d525b9.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] I played this game with my family years ago, it was fun...........

This isn't a flip on stance at all... these are two very separate statements approaching the same subject from a different perspective that honestly don't invalidate each other or even remotely imply a flip but then people see what they want to see, all i'm seeing here is that first he said he can't or won't order the military to do it as it's illegal, which is, not at all suggestive of his individual stance on it, it doesn't suggest he isn't in favor of things like waterboarding, just that he can't order it because they're illegal. the second thing he said is more in line with what his personal beliefs are, but still do not contradict the first statement at all, he never said 'I will order them to engage in waterboarding and more', just that what he thinks /should/ be done I can understand how it can look bad, and truth be told, I don't know what goes through the man's head at all, but at a surface level, calling him out on 'changing stance' by using those two statements is like comparing apples to oranges, I want to say there's literally no actual substance connecting the two but I also don't want to get involved into a big debate on the matter of opinion, I don't necessarily agree or disagree with his beliefs on this one, this is purely looking at it semantically, it's a bit of a far stretch to say he's flipped by comparing those two statements, poor journalism

[quote]he never said 'I will order them to engage in waterboarding and more'[/quote] What does this statement say to you, then? [quote=Donald Trump] “In the Middle East, we have people chopping the heads off Christians,” Trump noted. “We have people chopping the heads off many other people.” “We have things that we have never seen before, as a group." “We have never seen before what’s happening right now. The medieval times … not since medieval times have we seen what’s going on.” “I would bring back waterboarding, and I would bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.” [/quote] He's bringing it back - but he's not going to order them to do it? He can't order them to do it but he's bringing it back? He won't do it but he's bringing it back anyway? None of those make sense in that context. He's talking about how the enemy is beheading people and is speaking in terms of escalation - that we shouldn't hold ourselves back because they aren't. I mean just the phrase 'I would bring back' means that right now it's 'not allowed' or 'not being used' - or stretching to the extreme 'not in popular usage' - which means he's either advocating for it being allowed or advocating for it to be used again. To me, that looks pretty open-and-shut: 'bringing back' means that he's going to endorse it - and that he's going to not only endorse it but make it legal. If he's really not flip-flopping, then I suppose he meant 'I won't order them to do it while it's illegal (but I'm going to make it legal)" - which isn't flip-flopping but I don't know why he'd say that when he plans to make it legal in the first place. It's a confusing message no matter how I look at it.

[QUOTE=Anti Christ;49869790]usually fat white lump is the first or second poster in a trump thread. strange how he hasnt shown up yet haha[/QUOTE] Sorry, I don't know about you but I have better shit to do on weekends than post on Facepunch 24/7. I was actually at the rally yesterday in Warren, MI that CNN played that clip from. Which by the way was terrific, I had a great time and it was great to see Trump speak. I read the article, and still totally am in favor of waterboarding and even the families if it comes down to it. I can't seem to find what you guys or CNN is talking about with Trump changing his stance on torture. All he said was "I will not order a military officer to disobey the law. It is clear that as president I will be bound by laws just like all Americans and I will meet those responsibilities."That's not not a change of his stance, that's him saying he'll obey the law and never order someone to break it. This may come as a shock to you guys but the laws can change, and I believe Trump can and will help change those laws. I have to say there really is something wrong with this forum if you guys need to message me or mention me in the original post in a news article that isn't about me. You have made it abundantly clear that most posters (at least in SH) are shocked or do not tolerate or when someone has a different view on something.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;49869361]I really hope this damages his campaign and shows the light to the world of who he is. If the majority of Trump supporters are like what we have here on FP, a lot of them are going to feel disenfranchised. [editline]4th March 2016[/editline] Of course the ones here won't because they have the maintain the appearance of supporting. The only thing worse than a politician flip-flopping is an internet user flip-flopping.[/QUOTE] Nah, think about it. All of of the other candidates are establishment. There is no other candidates for conservatives.

How is he reversing his policies? The implication is that he won't order anyone to violate the law, but he will also change the law.

Why would he just make a statement about that though? "When I'm President, I won't order soldiers to carry out War Crimes until they're legal." I don't get who he's targeting with that message or what this does to help his candidacy. I can't imagine that this isn't just a given; that no conceivable President [well, democratically elected President of the USA] would just brazenly go 'to hell with the law, we're bringing back the Pear of Anguish (Don't google that, it's not easy to forget) until the beheadings stop.'

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49876499]Sorry, I don't know about you but I have better shit to do on weekends than post on Facepunch 24/7. I was actually at the rally yesterday in Warren, MI that CNN played that clip from. Which by the way was terrific, I had a great time and it was great to see Trump speak. I read the article, and still totally am in favor of waterboarding and even the families if it comes down to it. I can't seem to find what you guys or CNN is talking about with Trump changing his stance on torture. All he said was "I will not order a military officer to disobey the law. It is clear that as president I will be bound by laws just like all Americans and I will meet those responsibilities."That's not not a change of his stance, that's him saying he'll obey the law and never order someone to break it. This may come as a shock to you guys but the laws can change, and I believe Trump can and will help change those laws. I have to say there really is something wrong with this forum if you guys need to message me or mention me in the original post in a news article that isn't about me. You have made it abundantly clear that most posters (at least in SH) are shocked do not tolerate or when someone has a different view on something.[/QUOTE] I wish I had the notoriety that you have.

[QUOTE=wystan;49876592]I wish I had the notoriety that you have.[/QUOTE] I'm honestly surprised you don't, I see you get attacked by the Bernie hive mind on a similar level and it's great to see you successfully defend your opinion. Maybe the only difference is you don't have a Trump avatar.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49876617]I'm honestly surprised you don't, I see you get attacked by the Bernie hive mind on a similar level and it's great to see you successfully defend your opinion. Maybe the only difference is you don't have a Trump avatar.[/QUOTE] Yea, but if it counts for anything I received my slick black Make American Great Again hat in the mail today.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49876617]I'm honestly surprised you don't, I see you get attacked by the [B]Bernie hive mind[/B] on a similar level and it's great to see you successfully defend your opinion. Maybe the only difference is you don't have a Trump avatar.[/QUOTE] You and the Bernie boogeyman.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49876638]You and the Bernie boogeyman.[/QUOTE] This. It's like everyone that disagrees with you is part of this stupid hive mind thing you have going on.

[QUOTE=Spastik2D;49876640]This. It's like everyone that disagrees with you is part of this stupid hive mind thing you have going on.[/QUOTE] And anyone who agrees with Trump is a racist fascist right?

[QUOTE=wystan;49876624]Yea, but if it counts for anything I received my slick black Make American Great Again hat in the mail today.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying you need a Trump avatar, use whatever you want. That's cool you got a hat, what color did you get? I got a red and black one. I plan on completing the set by the end of the month. [QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49876638]You and the Bernie boogeyman.[/QUOTE] Well, if you look at the original post you can see I was called out even though I had nothing to do with the article. He even went out of his way to leave a message on profile. This is not the first time this has happened to me. Hell, look at half of the thread. I didn't responded until a day later and almost half of the thread is about me.

[QUOTE=wystan;49876592]I wish I had the notoriety that you have.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry, your unhinged, jingoistic ranting just isn't quite manic enough.

[QUOTE=wystan;49876649]And anyone who agrees with Trump is a racist fascist right?[/QUOTE] Way to jump the gun there, chief. No, but you'd think that you guys would try to be the bigger men and not stoop to "those damn bernie supporters'" level.

[QUOTE=Spastik2D;49876664]Way to jump the gun there, chief. No, but you'd think that you guys would try to be the bigger men and not stoop to "those damn bernie supporters'" level.[/QUOTE] Did you read the thread? There are a shocking amount of posts about me before I even responded.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49876660]I'm not saying you need a Trump avatar, use whatever you want. That's cool you got a hat, what color did you get? I got a red and black one. I plan on completing the set by the end of the month. Well, if you look at the original post you can see I was called out even though I had nothing to do with the article. He even went out of his way to leave a message on profile. This is not the first time this has happened to me. Hell, look at half of the thread. I didn't responded until a day later and almost half of the thread is about me.[/QUOTE] Yeah but I don't see what that has to do with Bernie Sanders.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49876660]I'm not saying you need a Trump avatar, use whatever you want. That's cool you got a hat, what color did you get? I got a red and black one. I plan on completing the set by the end of the month. Well, if you look at the original post you can see I was called out even though I had nothing to do with the article. He even went out of his way to leave a message on profile. This is not the first time this has happened to me. Hell, look at half of the thread. I didn't responded until a day later and almost half of the thread is about me.[/QUOTE] Got the black one with white text, I think it looks sharp, and I really wanted it as a physical icon and remnant of the times we live in. I may get the gray Trump hoodie next. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Mingebox;49876663]I'm sorry, your unhinged, jingoistic ranting just isn't quite manic enough.[/QUOTE] I'm a Nationalist at best.

[QUOTE=Fat White Lump;49876667]Did you read the thread? There are a shocking amount of posts about me before I even responded.[/QUOTE] Because, correct me if I'm wrong, you show up in just about every thread about Donald Trump. Pretty sure after a while, people are going to expect you there. Same shit happens in the Gmod section with a user named Serverwatch, whenever a thread comes up involving DarkRP, he'd show up and bitch about the regulars there. We expected him there before he got perma'd and people in SH expect you in Trump-related threads.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;49876670]Yeah but I don't see what that has to do with Bernie Sanders.[/QUOTE] Most people in the thread talking about me before I posted claim to be Bernie supporters. [editline]6th March 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=wystan;49876675]Got the black one with white text, I think it looks sharp, and I really wanted it as a physical icon and remnant of the times we live in. I may get the gray Trump hoodie next. [/QUOTE] Nice, they do look great. I want to get the hoodie but I may not be able to wear it for long with summer coming up. Maybe I'll just buy more shirts.