Special nail polish may help detect date-rape drugs - Polidicks

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45826205]You guys love to complain about feminists but you decide to pre-emptively shit on them and say dumb things which is only going to guarantee a confrontation. I dont get it. Its a good invention. The problem feminists have is that its a [I]reactive[/I] solution instead of a [I]proactive[/I] solution. It only helps treat the symptoms of sexual assault instead of the cause. More efforts should be focused on educating people about how our cultural attitudes harm women and lessen the severity of sexual assault.[/QUOTE] Well it's not like things AREN'T being done on the proactive side. I mean hell, look at colleges. I had to take two online courses about proper sexual conduct and alcohol, watch a presentation about some of the worst problems college students can run into which included date rape of both alcohol and other varieties, had to participate in a discussion session afterwards regarding the whole thing, and to top it all off the president of the united states called out colleges to properly educate about sexual misconduct. Once you've got the education down though really all that's left is the pathetic assholes who'll do stuff like this whether or not it's wrong just because they want to, knowing full well that it's a heinous crime, because it makes them feel powerful or they want something they can't have. Just like people steal and murder regardless of the fact that they know it's a horrible thing to do. You're asking for a specific type of crime to just disappear. That's takes a fucking HERCULEAN effort. I hope that it happens one day, mind you, but I'm not entirely sure how it will.

[QUOTE=Snickerdoodle;45825755]Also I searched up "nail polish rape" into Tumblr's search tool and [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/k596PVC.png[/IMG][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/HE4TVDe.png[/IMG][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NtX4x2q.png[/IMG][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/VrBPqif.png[/IMG] these are all on the first page.[/QUOTE] "How come it is easier to invent anti-rape nail polish and bullet proof blankets, than to find a way to stop rapists and school shooters?" What the actual fuck. The nail polish IS a way to stop it! It was fucking invented so you could protect yourself, that's the point. How are people this fucking stupid? "Why do we have to wear seat belts in cars? Wouldn't it be easier to just not get in a car crash?" On topic though, I'm really glad this was invented. I hope they find a really cheap way of producing it so it doesn't cost any more than regular nail polish.

[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;45827067] On topic though, I'm really glad this was invented. I hope they find a really cheap way of producing it so it doesn't cost any more than regular nail polish.[/QUOTE] I wonder if it will cause a side effect of daterape drugs advancing to not get detected with this method.

[QUOTE=The Saiko;45825912]For this we have a law in germany that forces the manufactures to mix rohypnol with a blue substance so if someone spikes your drink with it you'd notice the blue color of your drink. Don't know if it's the same with Xanax and the other type which was mentioned in the article. Why not do something like this for every rape date drug?[/QUOTE] But what if your drink is already blue?

[QUOTE=NoDachiUK;45825480]Honestly, if someone did that to you - perhaps you should question the impression you give women.[/QUOTE] I thought you were permabanned. [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] On topic, I find the "why aren't we teaching/we should be teaching males not to rape" to be really offensive. It's not like during sex ed, when they seperate the boys and girls, the teacher leans in real close and whispers, "Now that those girls are out of here, i'll let you in on a secret: it doesn't matter if girls say no or if you knock 'em out. Have fun, you lil rapists!" This isn't like in the cases of having sex with someone who's drunk (which is also rape), because you are clearly from the start disabling them with the intent to rape them, not mistakenly raping them (not realizing you didn't get consent).

[QUOTE=squids_eye;45826516]Everyone always says "Teach men not to rape" but no one ever gives even the slightest hint as to how.[/QUOTE] The easiest would be to explain what is and what is not consent and with the facet of, "No means No, no matter what." [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Gray Altoid;45827645]I thought you were permabanned. [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] On topic, I find the "why aren't we teaching/we should be teaching males not to rape" to be really offensive. It's not like during sex ed, when they seperate the boys and girls, the teacher leans in real close and whispers, "Now that those girls are out of here, i'll let you in on a secret: it doesn't matter if girls say no or if you knock 'em out. Have fun, you lil rapists!" This isn't like in the cases of having sex with someone who's drunk (which is also rape), because you are clearly from the start disabling them with the intent to rape them, not mistakenly raping them (not realizing you didn't get consent).[/QUOTE] Even the drunk one has issues because if you're both drinking what the hell happens then? Hooking up at parties is a completely normal practice but we've got so much misinformation and overly simplistic attitudes toward this kinda shit that we never actually get anywhere.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45826298]You pretty much just said "teach men not to rape" in a bit longer sentence and smarter wording.[/QUOTE] Maybe because youre grossly oversimplifying the issue?

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45827705]Maybe because youre grossly oversimplifying the issue?[/QUOTE] You're grossly over simplifying it as well.

[QUOTE=Swilly;45827710]You're grossly over simplifying it as well.[/QUOTE] Do elaborate.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45827726]Do elaborate.[/QUOTE] You sit there and state the education is the way forward but you don't elaborate. You except us as readers, to be fully voiced in feminist thinking when you should know at this point that many facepunchers are not since they're main focus is gaming and themselves. They're not natural experts in the concept of privilage or feminism. You're therefor preaching to the choir and trying to get others, who know or share your view point, to agree and elaborate or just nod their head to the point your making. Which is only communicated to those who have an [I]understanding[/I] of the topic. Do you want to know why posters like Reimu have become so popular and why the Depression Quest thing has actually calmed down to a point of discussion? Because posters like Reimu are willing and have the knowledge to elaborate and explain what they're trying to explain in a way that isn't snarky and doesn't include 'lol'. You can't just say something and expect the audience to get it, communication is a reciprocal process, the audience cannot gather what you're saying you if you say something so vague you leave it up to their interpretation and experiences. [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] Note: this isn't an attack, this actually a general trend that follows the most outspoken feminist posters on Facepunch.

No matter how often you tell people that something is bad and illegal to do, there will be people who will still do it. Every thief knows that it is illegal to steal or rob other people. And they still do it. Same with serial killers. They know that society condemns killing other people, but they still do it. Same with rapists. So why is a totally optional way to avoid crime, be it locking your door or a daterape drug test, victim blaming? [IMG]http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/quickfix/3/5/3/162353.jpg[/IMG] Even John McClane thinks it is a bad idea to walk into the wrong neighborhood wearing the wrong stuff.

Awesome product. Also, never fucking ending arguments suck.

[QUOTE=catbarf;45825994]I can, because some people have taken the idea of victim blaming to such an extreme that they consider safety precautions to be implicit victim blaming. I've seen it even here on Facepunch quite a bit- when a comment as straightforward as 'you shouldn't walk home late at night alone through a bad part of town' gets labeled victim-blaming, they're basically saying a person has no responsibility in avoiding becoming a victim. A product allowing women to take a proactive measure for their own safety is implicitly giving them some responsibility, and so some see that as victim-blaming. By discouraging active prevention and saying 'just teach men not to rape', they're ironically disempowering women and encouraging them to be helpless victims. If we treated any other issue this way it would be ridiculous- 'don't teach your children not to take candy from strangers, that's victim blaming', or 'don't lock your doors at night, that's victim blaming'. In a perfect world, we would be able to stop people from becoming pedophiles or burglars or rapists in the first place and nobody would have to take these precautions, but unfortunately that isn't the real world and people need to be proactive about their own safety as long as the threat is there. Anything that makes that easier for women so they can just live instead of being paranoid about safety is a good thing in my book.[/QUOTE] I was actually once called a paranoid piece of shit on this very forum because I admitted to locking my doors. So people actually do treat other issues that way. :v: [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45826662]dont suggest anyone try and defend themselves from rape. That's victim blaming and sexist. It's not women's fault that men rape[/QUOTE] yea i agree with u pigeon. i dont think women should take power into their own hands either. women, if someone tries to rape u u should just take it like the powerless bitch u are and if u try to fight back ur just a sexist because its not ur job to fight back!!!!! [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] fuckin people learning how to protect themselves and their families against pervasive and life threatening evil where do they get off??? dont they know that theyre just supporting the patriarchy by protecting their loved ones??? [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] it all makes sense now. women who rise up against their oppressors and fight back were the real mysoginists the whole time!!! [editline]28th August 2014[/editline] Alright maybe I went too far that time. Preemptive apology for being too sarcastic.

[QUOTE=LegndNikko;45825969]Or women are being a bit too paranoid. However, this has very, very little effect. She dips her finger in a drink. If it comes clean, there's no big commotion. No big deal at all. Simple process that doesn't take away much from your experience.[/QUOTE] Maybe check out some rape statistics (including, just for interest, the number of falsified rape claims that actually get made because a lot of people seem to make a huge overestimation on that front) and think about whether you'd feel comfortable going on dates or walking to your car at night without backup. Women [I]shouldn't[/I] need this sort of thing in the 21st century. But you've gotta put a bandage on a wound until you can sew it up and treat it so that it heals. This is the bandage. (good metaphor a+ would metaph again)

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45826205]You guys love to complain about feminists but you decide to pre-emptively shit on them and say dumb things which is only going to guarantee a confrontation. I dont get it. Its a good invention. The problem feminists have is that its a [I]reactive[/I] solution instead of a [I]proactive[/I] solution. It only helps treat the symptoms of sexual assault instead of the cause. More efforts should be focused on educating people about how our cultural attitudes harm women and lessen the severity of sexual assault.[/QUOTE] I think that victims of rape should be treated with love and support. I also think that a woman who elects to keep pepper spray in her pocket to protect herself from assault should be lauded and respected. I think that targeting the causes of crime such as poverty, poor education, racism, sexism, etc. is great. I think that people who know how to defend themselves and their loved ones from crime are great. I think that the most effective ways to treat a problem are to assault the problem on both the ground level and the bigger picture. I don't believe that having discourse on the societal problems that cause crime to begin with and teaching women how to fight back physically, mentally, and politically are mutually exclusive

[QUOTE=Block;45825658]Why does this have to be nail polish though? I mean, if someone's going to drug you using your drink, aren't they going to slip it in the drink while you're distracted? Do you keep checking the drink constantly? Or keep staring at it? It's a good idea. I just don't get why it can't be something like a drink stirrer or an umbrella to put in your drink. Then the detector would stay there. Nail polish seems inconvenient.[/QUOTE] I think this is the most discreet form. You can hold the drink under the table and swill, or you can wait for the other person to take a bathroom break, or just do it to their face. If somebody takes offense because somebody wants to check their drink for their own personal safety, that's silly.

That is really ingenious! And you get 10 tests if I am correct, because 10 nails. The nails do not just reset themselves, do they? [QUOTE=LegndNikko;45825969]Or women are being a bit too paranoid. However, this has very, very little effect. She dips her finger in a drink. If it comes clean, there's no big commotion. No big deal at all. Simple process that doesn't take away much from your experience.[/QUOTE] Well think like a woman. Every night you go to a party, you will need to be alert to test your drinks you receive from someone. And everytime new drink comes, you will need to do the test, thus reminding you of the possibility that you will get raped.

Instead of victim blaming and working to feed starving kids in Africa, why don't we just teach them not to be hungry? Teach men not to rape. holy fuck what a joke. That assumes that normal behavior is just to go out and rape people. Like you automatically default to rape if you're not explicitly told, "Don't rape." Growing up I was never told "don't rape". Hell, I wasn't even told about a woman's right to say "No." I just always thought it was common fucking sense. That isn't to say we shouldn't be proactive and teach these things to growing boys... but come on. Is it really not obvious that two people have to consent to something like intercourse? To say we shouldn't take proactive measures to defend ourselves from the criminal element in our society is blatant ignorance. Shame on all of these people making these borderline retarded posts on tumblr. We should start taking some warning labels off of things so stupid people like these idiots on tumblr burn themselves out.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45825902]We should stop referring to this type of feminism as tumblr feminism. It misleads people into thinking that this type of thinking is limited to tumblr. People like this are pretty common.[/QUOTE] [citation needed]

For some reason I like how it turns black when it detects the drugs.

[QUOTE=UziXxX;45828935]Instead of victim blaming and working to feed starving kids in Africa, why don't we just teach them not to be hungry? Teach men note to rape. holy fuck what a joke. That assumes that normal behavior is just to go out and rape people. Like you automatically default to rape if you're not explicitly told, "Don't rape." [/QUOTE] People who spike drinks are well aware of what they're doing is bad. You can't just teach them not to do it.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45829924]People who spike drinks are well aware of what they're doing is bad. You can't just teach them not to do it.[/QUOTE] I actually know a few people who think it's their god-given right to bone every woman they see, and wouldn't hesitate to drug a date (one of them has actually done so before and bragged about it). Not everyone gives as much of a shit as you'd hope.

that's why the girls at the bar keep poking my drink when i offer it to them.

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;45825507]Obviously, it's a shame that something like this is needed in 2014, but still, I think it's a fantastic idea. You get to stay safe in a way that is subtle and also have cute nails at the same time.[/QUOTE] Evil will always exist in the world, I believe it's rather foolish to think it would simply go away, no matter how advanced we become. But for every evil in the world, something will eventually combat it, and that's what we're seeing here, though this is just one tool.

[QUOTE=Woovie;45825926]Does it also freak you out that your house has a lock, your car has an alarm? People will always try to do bad things. [/QUOTE] yes it does it could all be prevented if we taught our sons not to rob people

[QUOTE=Furioso;45830525]Evil will always exist in the world, I believe it's rather foolish to think it would simply go away, no matter how advanced we become. But for every evil in the world, something will eventually combat it, and that's what we're seeing here, though this is just one tool.[/QUOTE] No it won't at least not from other humans eventually. Once technology gets advanced enough and as we get more civilized it should filter out if not, they will get the drugs or something down to control how a brain functions for such people.

Men can't rape without penises remove penises from men

[QUOTE=Swilly;45827685]The easiest would be to explain what is and what is not consent and with the facet of, "No means No, no matter what."[/QUOTE] But people are taught that now and there are still rapists. When I was in school consent was dealt with during sex-ed as well as there being a couple of TV PSA campaigns I can remember from growing up. It's easy to say "teach men not to rape" but in reality that is exactly what is being done and it isn't working. Even if it did work, it isn't targeting the right kind of rapist at all. It might stop someone who would have had sex with a pass-out-drunk girl without their consent but it wouldn't stop someone slipping rohypnol into their drink and raping them. That kind of person is probably very aware that what they are doing is illegal and wrong, they obviously understand the concept of consent because they are very deliberately bypassing it when they drug the girl so she can't say no. The kind of rape which things like this nail polish are trying to prevent is not the kind of rape which can be stopped simply by telling people how consent works.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;45829924]People who spike drinks are well aware of what they're doing is bad. You can't just teach them not to do it.[/QUOTE] Exactly, which was the point I was getting at.

[QUOTE=A_Pigeon;45831353]Men can't rape without penises remove penises from men[/QUOTE] Men can't rape what doesn't have a mouth, a vagina or an asshole remove mouths, vaginas and assholes from everyone