Special nail polish may help detect date-rape drugs - Polidicks

[QUOTE=madmanmad;45825339]How does this even work, how would nail polish be able to accurately detect if there was something in the drink?[/QUOTE] how does science even manage to make us see things. [img]http://i0.top.de/766/165766,h_402,pd_1,w_402/jaden-smith.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Amiga OS;45833802]This is your brain on Tumblr.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=itisjuly;45829924]People who spike drinks are well aware of what they're doing is bad. You can't just teach them not to do it.[/QUOTE] when someone says "teach men not to rape", what they really mean is "teach men to understand what consent is/is not and rape is/is not". despite all logical conjecture, there are still people who think spiking someone's drink and then using that to have sex with them isn't rape. basically, the problem doesn't lie in men being unaware that rape is bad, but instead it lies in the stereotype that rape is mostly (and often in some people's minds [I]only[/I]) "stranger holds you down and violently molests you in an alleyway at knifepoint at 4 in the morning". they aren't educated on consent and thus, there are things that [I]are[/I] rape that don't [I]qualify[/I] in their minds as rape, such as: "forcing a girl you're going out with to have sex with you" "forcing your wife to have sex with you" "having sex with a girl who is drunk" "forcing a girl who sleeps around to have sex with you" it's a problem of definitions and what is seen as culturally acceptable/unacceptable.

Some girl I'm FB friends with posted this and made an angry rant about how "we should teach men not to rape". Some people always see the glass half empty?? I think it's great that people thought up this idea and I hope it protects a lot of people from the possibility of date rape.

This is a great idea, but i can understand the negative reaction some people are having towards it, obviously they aren't saying "DONT USE THIS PRODUCT ITS VICTIM BLAMING!!!"- they are saying that with all the stuff being given to women to help them "not get raped" more needs to be done on the other end now- to try and change the attitudes people have towards date rape, more education is needed for both boys and girls, into the nature of consent as a whole etc etc. sure there is nothing wrong with taking precautions to prevent bad stuff happening to you, but there's a fine line between encouraging/helping people to be safe, and holding them solely accountable for not avoiding horrible things people might try to do to them. This victim blaming stuff does happen, its disgusting and its pretty common- ive even seen people compare a woman getting drugged and raped because she went to a bar to a kid getting hit by a car because he was playing in the road- This isnt right- bars aren't there to serve as hunting grounds for rapists, and people shouldn't have to feel that they are.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;45834275]This is a great idea, but i can understand the negative reaction some people are having towards it, obviously they aren't saying "DONT USE THIS PRODUCT ITS VICTIM BLAMING!!!"- they are saying that with all the stuff being given to women to help them "not get raped" more needs to be done on the other end now- to try and change the attitudes people have towards date rape, more education is needed for both boys and girls, into the nature of consent as a whole etc etc. sure there is nothing wrong with taking precautions to prevent bad stuff happening to you, but there's a fine line between encouraging/helping people to be safe, and holding them solely accountable for not avoiding horrible things people might try to do to them. This victim blaming stuff does happen, its disgusting and its pretty common- ive even seen people compare a woman getting drugged and raped because she went to a bar to a kid getting hit by a car because he was playing in the road- This isnt right- bars aren't there to serve as hunting grounds for rapists, and people shouldn't have to feel that they are.[/QUOTE]Well we're already trying saying rape is bad. Sure as fuck isn't stopping people. Come to think of it, thats the same response they had to saying murder is bad.....and theft is bad....and what was my point again? I'd like to teach the world not to break in where they aren't welcome so I can leave my door unlocked. I'd like to teach carjackers to stop jacking cars so I can leave my car unlocked. But that isn't the way the world works, is it?

[QUOTE=Block;45825658]Why does this have to be nail polish though? I mean, if someone's going to drug you using your drink, aren't they going to slip it in the drink while you're distracted? Do you keep checking the drink constantly? Or keep staring at it? It's a good idea. I just don't get why it can't be something like a drink stirrer or an umbrella to put in your drink. Then the detector would stay there. Nail polish seems inconvenient.[/QUOTE] Because it's subtle. You don't have to put your entire fucking finger in the drink, usually drinks are filled to the top when you get them obviously so you could always just subtly or casually dip a fraction of your thumb in it.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;45834679]Well we're already trying saying rape is bad. Sure as fuck isn't stopping people. Come to think of it, thats the same response they had to saying murder is bad.....and theft is bad....and what was my point again? I'd like to teach the world not to break in where they aren't welcome so I can leave my door unlocked. I'd like to teach carjackers to stop jacking cars so I can leave my car unlocked. But that isn't the way the world works, is it?[/QUOTE] As other people in the thread have mentioned, this isn't about Teaching people rape is bad, that's pretty self-explanatory. the issue is partially about teaching people what actually "counts" as rape (many people wont consider something to be an act of rape unless its the beating someone down in an alleyway scenario) - and partially about changing attitudes towards date rape cases, you say its obvious to everyone rape is bad, but the whole "well she should have X, maybe if she had Y , he only did it because she Z" shit shifts the blame from the rapist and onto the victim, conveying a pretty mixed up message about who did something "bad".

[QUOTE=joes33431;45834051]when someone says "teach men not to rape", what they really mean is "teach men to understand what consent is/is not and rape is/is not". despite all logical conjecture, there are still people who think spiking someone's drink and then using that to have sex with them isn't rape. basically, the problem doesn't lie in men being unaware that rape is bad, but instead it lies in the stereotype that rape is mostly (and often in some people's minds [I]only[/I]) "stranger holds you down and violently molests you in an alleyway at knifepoint at 4 in the morning". they aren't educated on consent and thus, there are things that [I]are[/I] rape that don't [I]qualify[/I] in their minds as rape, such as: "forcing a girl you're going out with to have sex with you" "forcing your wife to have sex with you" "having sex with a girl who is drunk" "forcing a girl who sleeps around to have sex with you" it's a problem of definitions and what is seen as culturally acceptable/unacceptable.[/QUOTE] Then they should explain they're using it in the context you described. When you leave it just as "teach men not to rape" it implies the following: 1. Men are inherently rapists. They need to be taught not to rape. 2. Sexual Assault and Rape can be stopped or at least largely hindered by what's basically an adult version of "Swiper no Swiping!" 3. It doesn't matter what the victim's (or victims') sex, gender, sexual orientation ,etc. was, Women are incapable of raping someone. and 4. Men are never victims of rape (which it also makes it harder for male victims to come out about their traumatic experience(s) feeling they won't be believed and/or will be mocked). When you clarify the context then it's less accusatory and relies less on extreme generalization. [editline]29th August 2014[/editline] Keep in mind I'm not against teaching proper consent and I like idea of nail polish being able to detect date-rape drugs to help protect women from (potential) rapists. I'm just against the mentality to treat all men as potential violent sexual predators by default. And I'm against people who non-ironically use analogies like the oh so infamous "You say not all men are monsters? Imagine a bowl of M&M's and 10% of them are poisoned. Go ahead, grab a handful. After all, not all M&M's are poison." to explain the situation.

People are teached to not kill, to not rape... etc, but they still do it because they're fucked up in the head. The people that post those things in Tumblr are fucked up in an entirely different way, but fucked up nonetheless. Why can't people understand that shit ain't just peachy? Best you can do these days is be safe, regardless of gender.

Pretty smart, I hope it won't produce a toxic byproduct by reacting with strong alcohols.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;45825773]Well you could just not test your drink. I hate how feminists misinterpret encouraging prevention and safety with victim blaming. This whole teach men not to rape thing is also pretty [URL="http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1288565&p=41422877&viewfull=1#post41422877"]sexist[/URL].[/QUOTE] We get it, you have some eternal grudge against / hate boner for person11. Stop bringing up one quote you've taken out of context from over a year ago in every thread you can. [QUOTE=catbarf;45825994]I can, because some people have taken the idea of victim blaming to such an extreme that they consider safety precautions to be implicit victim blaming. I've seen it even here on Facepunch quite a bit- when a comment as straightforward as 'you shouldn't walk home late at night alone through a bad part of town' gets labeled victim-blaming, they're basically saying a person has no responsibility in avoiding becoming a victim. A product allowing women to take a proactive measure for their own safety is implicitly giving them some responsibility, and so some see that as victim-blaming. By discouraging active prevention and saying 'just teach men not to rape', they're ironically disempowering women and encouraging them to be helpless victims. If we treated any other issue this way it would be ridiculous- 'don't teach your children not to take candy from strangers, that's victim blaming', or 'don't lock your doors at night, that's victim blaming'. In a perfect world, we would be able to stop people from becoming pedophiles or burglars or rapists in the first place and nobody would have to take these precautions, but unfortunately that isn't the real world and people need to be proactive about their own safety as long as the threat is there. Anything that makes that easier for women so they can just live instead of being paranoid about safety is a good thing in my book.[/QUOTE] There's nothing wrong with telling people to be careful in general. The problem (and misunderstanding) comes from the fact that all too often, people make excuses that are the logical equivalent of "well, the kid fell for taking candy from a stranger, so they're [I]both[/I] to blame". Telling someone to be careful before anything happens is fine, but bringing it up after something has happened as some sort of excuse is just being an asshole. [QUOTE=LegndNikko;45826009]It's the same as every crime. I dare you to tell me that the idea that "murder is bad, don't do it" isn't drilled into the mind of every person in normal society. And yet, its still a crime you hear about often. People don't say "teach people not to kill," because, no shit, that step's been done. There are still going to be a few screw balls who do it. Replace murder with rape, and suddenly, nothing is good enough unless we reach utopian levels of crime.[/QUOTE] As has been said a few times already, that's because people know that rape is bad but aren't too sure of what counts as rape. "Oh, she just had a bad night with her boyfriend, she should stop whining." "Well, she went to a bar, what did she expect?" "It's not like she'll remember it." "She never [I]explicitly[/I] said no, so how was he supposed to know? By paying attention to her expression and behavior or something crazy like that?" "You can't be pressured to say yes!" Et cetera. [QUOTE=itisjuly;45827399]I wonder if it will cause a side effect of daterape drugs advancing to not get detected with this method.[/QUOTE] Well, it's already common to spike someone's drink with more alcohol rather than specific drugs. [QUOTE=UziXxX;45828935]Instead of victim blaming and working to feed starving kids in Africa, why don't we just teach them not to be hungry?[/QUOTE] rape isn't a necessary bodily function [QUOTE=zizzleplix;45835883]Then they should explain they're using it in the context you described. When you leave it just as "teach men not to rape" it implies the following: 1. Men are inherently rapists. They need to be taught not to rape. 2. Sexual Assault and Rape can be stopped or at least largely hindered by what's basically an adult version of "Swiper no Swiping!" 3. It doesn't matter what the victim's (or victims') sex, gender, sexual orientation ,etc. was, Women are incapable of raping someone. and 4. Men are never victims of rape (which it also makes it harder for male victims to come out about their traumatic experience(s) feeling they won't be believed and/or will be mocked). When you clarify the context then it's less accusatory and relies less on extreme generalization.[/QUOTE] If I recall correctly, the majority of rapists are men. Even when the victim is male, most perpetrators are men. I could very easily be wrong though. That's not to say that women can't be rapists, of course, just that the majority are men. The saying should be "teach people not to rape", but then again, it's mostly said by people oversimplifying "teach consent" arguments, rather than by people actually for teaching consent. Sort of like how evolution is simplified to "we came from rocks".

In the picture in the OP, I swear I have the same color purple nail polish around here somewhere, it's a fantastic, and this is a fantastic idea.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;45826205]You guys love to complain about feminists but you decide to pre-emptively shit on them and say dumb things which is only going to guarantee a confrontation. I dont get it. Its a good invention. The problem feminists have is that its a [I]reactive[/I] solution instead of a [I]proactive[/I] solution. It only helps treat the symptoms of sexual assault instead of the cause. More efforts should be focused on educating people about how our cultural attitudes harm women and lessen the severity of sexual assault.[/QUOTE] I don't quite follow. That's making it seem like rape is more of a misunderstanding of what the definition of consent is. It's not, especially when someone has to spike a drink to get the results they're wanting. Rapists are going to rape, just like gangbangers are going to gangbang. Sure, there are social and psychological factors present that make things like this more likely; however, the solution to rapists definitely isn't educating people on what consent is.

[QUOTE=Karmah;45836634]Pretty smart, I hope it won't produce a toxic byproduct by reacting with strong alcohols.[/QUOTE] I heard it produces manly tears in the people who spiked the drink

[QUOTE=Impact1986;45833643]Men can't rape what doesn't have a mouth, a vagina or an asshole remove mouths, vaginas and assholes from everyone[/QUOTE] victim blaming

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45830584]yes it does it could all be prevented if we taught our sons not to rob people[/QUOTE] telling someone not to do something is obviously not going to change anything. that is not the point of what they are saying at all. exercise critical thinking and ponder for a moment, why do people rob? why do people kill? why do people rape? like you pointed out, telling them that it's bad is clearly not sufficient. people do these things based on some sort of justifiable motivation. they calculated the situation, and arrived at a conclusion that caused the end result. spiking a girl's drink results in sexual gratification. teaching men not to rape is not simply saying "don't do it because it's bad", it is looking at the motivations behind rape and trying to dismantle them. when we examine our culture in depth we can start to see how men and women are poised in society, and how sexuality is postured. the absolute most basic way to put it (and i would be more than happy to give out some sources and reading material if anyone is interested) would be to say that our media culture supports the idea that men need sex, and women are more or less a means to achieve sex. a common example would be how it's a social achievement for a guy to lose his virginity, and for a girl it would not be seen the same. the movie the 40 year old virgin draws humor from a guy not having had sex, as if it were shameful. sex for men is a greater achievement to their social status than it is for women. teaching men not to rape is not telling them it's bad and walking away. the true message behind it is trying to change the way in which we think about men and women's sexuality. it is trying to make sex less of a social necessity for men to assert their masculinity, and for women to have a greater role than being a sexual object. surely this nail polish is a great invention and i thank the creators for their ingenuity, but at the same time you have to realize that this does not directly address the issue of how sexuality is poised in our society. all these people want is for us to change how we view sex. they don't want people to commit rape because sex is so important in our society that it is justifiable to rape someone else to get it. that's all they mean by it.

If people didn't mean "teach men not to rape," then they shouldn't say "teach men not to rape." Why all the defending of these people as if you know what they [I]really[/I] mean. Maybe they are just dumb people who think that men are actually inherently rapists.

[QUOTE=sgman91;45842194]If people didn't mean "teach men not to rape," then they shouldn't say "teach men not to rape." Why all the defending of these people as if you know what they [I]really[/I] mean. Maybe they are just dumb people who think that men are actually inherently rapists.[/QUOTE] so clearly that means that we shouldn't make use of this situation to bring light to larger social problems

[QUOTE=sgman91;45842194]If people didn't mean "teach men not to rape," then they shouldn't say "teach men not to rape." Why all the defending of these people as if you know what they [I]really[/I] mean. Maybe they are just dumb people who think that men are actually inherently rapists.[/QUOTE] they know that the people they agree with are acting like retards so they have to perform some mental gymnastics to try and save face no trogdon im sorry but time and time again they've shown that they literally mean "teach boys not to rape" stop trying to put words in their mouth or put some cute little spin on it and stop associating yourself with them if doing so makes you feel this embarassed

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45842242]they know that the people they agree with are acting like retards so they have to perform some mental gymnastics to try and save face no trogdon im sorry but time and time again they've shown that they literally mean "teach boys not to rape" stop trying to put words in their mouth or put some cute little spin on it and stop associating yourself with them if doing so makes you feel this embarassed[/QUOTE] "as a person who is not a feminist i clearly know what the so-called feminists [I]actually[/I] mean" not to suggest that i 100% agree that what trogdon is saying is what these people mean, but you can't assert that you [I]absolutely know[/I] what their intent is anymore than he does

This nail polish is kinda flawed because like, you can't really seal it with anything else like you would with normal makeup and polish and shit. It'd get all splotchy and come off real easy if it wasn't sealed, and probably wouldn't work if it was sealed. Baby steps, though. Baby steps.

[QUOTE=joes33431;45842273]"as a person who is not a feminist i clearly know what the so-called feminists [I]actually[/I] mean" not to suggest that i 100% agree that what trogdon is saying is what these people mean, but you can't assert that you [I]absolutely know[/I] what their intent is anymore than he does[/QUOTE] i know what they mean because i can yknow read their fucking posts [t]http://media.tumblr.com/1def1870fe2cfda7074cc9ab528b936b/tumblr_inline_mx76mxTsHL1sna3ko.png[/t] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/244b9a1d5a615af587b26cd798f0d773/tumblr_inline_n2wafoKqjH1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/b731d47e6d1e821803db030d103de123/tumblr_inline_n2wag6kLib1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/23d131a60acd88e0f2107e59a205dc6c/tumblr_inline_n2wagvtDSn1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/4syZIEU.jpg[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [t]http://media.tumblr.com/f9a1f5442aff75e4ebe66214d28acf7d/tumblr_mh4tx8w80z1rgtnp9o1_1280.jpg[/t] this is not a metaphor [url=http://truestfeminist.tumblr.com/post/95884112764/]but wait, im not a feminist! so i dont know what they TRULY mean![/url] because if you're not a feminist you cant read i guess no, SJWs say the stupidest shit ever, and once again, if you're this embarrassed by them that you have to come up with some shitty attempt to spin it around to look better then maybe you should just cut ties with them

Stop it. Yes there are dickheads, they get yelled at too.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45842449]i know what they mean because i can yknow read their fucking posts [t]http://media.tumblr.com/1def1870fe2cfda7074cc9ab528b936b/tumblr_inline_mx76mxTsHL1sna3ko.png[/t] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/244b9a1d5a615af587b26cd798f0d773/tumblr_inline_n2wafoKqjH1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/b731d47e6d1e821803db030d103de123/tumblr_inline_n2wag6kLib1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/23d131a60acd88e0f2107e59a205dc6c/tumblr_inline_n2wagvtDSn1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/4syZIEU.jpg[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [t]http://media.tumblr.com/f9a1f5442aff75e4ebe66214d28acf7d/tumblr_mh4tx8w80z1rgtnp9o1_1280.jpg[/t] this is not a metaphor [URL="http://truestfeminist.tumblr.com/post/95884112764/"]but wait, im not a feminist! so i dont know what they TRULY mean![/URL] because if you're not a feminist you cant read i guess no, SJWs say the stupidest shit ever, and once again, if you're this embarrassed by them that you have to come up with some shitty attempt to spin it around to look better then maybe you should just cut ties with them[/QUOTE] maybe this forum wouldn't be so upset by SJWs if they didn't go out of their way to find them & post them in every thread. like lmao. the SJWs you're linking to right now don't exist on this forum at all, not even the most hardcore feminists here are like that. what's the point in bringing them other than to go "hah... look... this is what you are part of! you are accountable for all these idiots.. checkmate!" like, how would anybody respond to such a ridiculous "argument"? you want me to scour the internet for screenshots of the stupidest anti-sjw peopel on the internet to counter your post? a

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45842449]i know what they mean because i can yknow read their fucking posts [t]http://media.tumblr.com/1def1870fe2cfda7074cc9ab528b936b/tumblr_inline_mx76mxTsHL1sna3ko.png[/t] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/244b9a1d5a615af587b26cd798f0d773/tumblr_inline_n2wafoKqjH1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/b731d47e6d1e821803db030d103de123/tumblr_inline_n2wag6kLib1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/23d131a60acd88e0f2107e59a205dc6c/tumblr_inline_n2wagvtDSn1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [IMG]https://i.imgur.com/4syZIEU.jpg[/IMG] this is not a metaphor [t]http://media.tumblr.com/f9a1f5442aff75e4ebe66214d28acf7d/tumblr_mh4tx8w80z1rgtnp9o1_1280.jpg[/t] this is not a metaphor [url=http://truestfeminist.tumblr.com/post/95884112764/]but wait, im not a feminist! so i dont know what they TRULY mean![/url] because if you're not a feminist you cant read i guess no, SJWs say the stupidest shit ever, and once again, if you're this embarrassed by them that you have to come up with some shitty attempt to spin it around to look better then maybe you should just cut ties with them[/QUOTE] See, if i tried to prove that all Christians were hateful bigots by posting a wall of stuff from the westboro baptist church twitter, id be laughed out of the thread- but somehow doing the same thing to feminists is a good debate tactic?. Also sure man, everyone should "cut-ties" and ditch the movement responsible for getting women some semblance of equality in the western world because some sperglords on the internet made some terrible posts that upset you.

[QUOTE=fulgrim;45844071]See, if i tried to prove that all Christians were hateful bigots by posting a wall of stuff from the westboro baptist church twitter, id be laughed out of the thread- but somehow doing the same thing to feminists is a good debate tactic?.[/QUOTE] I dunno man, quite a lot of christians are shitheads.

Well after reading a bit my blood boils slightly less now that, "Teach men not to rape." somehow means, "educate men about date rape" But if that's the case why not just say, "educate men about date rape"?

[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;45845370]Well after reading a bit my blood boils slightly less now that, "Teach men not to rape." somehow means, "educate men about date rape" But if that's the case why not just say, "educate men about date rape"?[/QUOTE] it doesn't have the same ring, i guess? fuck if i know, i didn't make up the phrase.

[QUOTE=Comrade_Eko;45845370]Well after reading a bit my blood boils slightly less now that, "Teach men not to rape." somehow means, "educate men about date rape" But if that's the case why not just say, "educate men about date rape"?[/QUOTE] That's what I don't get. If they say "Educate men about date rape" then their intentions are clearer and more specific and it sound less inflammatory and general then "teach men not to rape". My only guess is either it's just easier to type "teach men not to rape", it wouldn't have the same bite/edge to it and therefore not get as much of a response (which is a reason some online twitter activists gave when they started the hashtag trend #Fuckallmen [I'm not sure if the hashtag was exactly that but it definitely was something along those lines]) or they're just simply expecting the average unaware person to know what they really mean when they say "teach men not to rape" but I can't really say for sure.

[QUOTE=Bazsil;45842449]i know what they mean because i can yknow read their fucking posts [t]http://media.tumblr.com/1def1870fe2cfda7074cc9ab528b936b/tumblr_inline_mx76mxTsHL1sna3ko.png[/t] this is not a metaphor [IMG]http://media.tumblr.com/244b9a1d5a615af587b26cd798f0d773/tumblr_inline_n2wafoKqjH1rzw7rz.png[/IMG] this is not a metaphor rest of the post[/QUOTE] I like how even in your cherry-picking post to try and prove that feminists literally say "teach men not to rape", there's only one mention of rape, and it's unrelated. None say anything close to "teach men not to rape".