Police Cruiser Collides With A Vehicle, Killing All Six and Injuring The Officer - Polidicks

[QUOTE=areolop;42567681]I'll tell you by first-hand experience that you cant hear it if you have the radio on in a passenger car. You need a rumbler for someone to get the message. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93vN8AS4jHY[/media][/QUOTE] uhhhh i'm an officer too.

Someone my brother knew when he was in highschool died in a car accident. Not because he didn't wear a seatbelt, but because another one of the passengers wasn't wearing a seatbeat.

[QUOTE=Gwoodman;42567823]I can't be the only one who feels insecure inside a car without a seat belt. It's something natural that comes to me, I'm in a car, immediately go for the seat belt.[/QUOTE] Same here, my parents pretty much drilled the use of the seat belt into my mind. [QUOTE=Amaurus;42568029]Someone my brother knew when he was in highschool died in a car accident. Not because he didn't wear a seatbelt, but because another one of the passengers wasn't wearing a seatbeat.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing the back passenger was flung forward and hit him in the back of the head? Yeah that can happen, always tell your passengers to put the seat belt, everyone not wearing a seat belt is a possible wrecking ball in case of a crash.

Is there a dashcam video? That'll explain a whole lot more than a witness.

I was rear ended while stopped at a red light by someone that came off the highway and was still going that speed and didn't bother to look. If I didn't have my seatbelt on I wouldn't have had any chance. I still came to in an ambulance heading to the hospital but its a hell of a lot better than being ejected or anything else that would have happened without my seat belt.

[QUOTE=laserguided;42566360]No, it's not safe for me to wear a seatbelt. If I wore a seatbelt in my vehicle I'd likely be dead in an accident. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("You've been told before" - PLing))[/highlight][/QUOTE] The word "bet" in his title should be replaced with "belt."

[QUOTE=breakyourfac;42566313]I used to be edgy and not wear seat belts, until my school had a presentation and showed people in the backseat implanting their teeth in the back of peoples heads, and people who 'bit the steering wheel' as they call it. Fuck that.[/QUOTE] Dude, anybody who meets you is destined to death anyway...

lights and sirens exist for a reason. pull the fuck over so you don't get hit. being a firefighter, people never do. they just don't move half the time. i'm not saying it was entirely their fault for the accident, no, the cop was all whacked out going to a big call. it's either way, but sadly the cop's probably going to get the heap of shit for all of this.

Sucks for the passengers and the cop. [quote] Police believe none of the six was wearing a seatbelt.[/quote] Erm...yeeah....how did this driver get his license anyway? I don't move an inch until all occupants are strapped down, including cargo, yet this idiot drives down the road without ensuring that at minimum his kids are buckled in?! And on top of that the driver either ignores entirely or is too unaware of what they're doing to notice a police car with the lights AND siren blaring...shouldn't have been licensed in the first place. My condolences to the six innocent people this moron has put through hell. [QUOTE=Bredirish123;42566371] I'm just curious as to what caused the collision.[/QUOTE] I would estimate that the driver of the SUV was being inattentive. If the lights and siren are on, it's clear, there's no other traffic, and [i]you still cut in front of the emergency vehicle[/i], it's your own damn fault. Plus, nobody in that SUV was wearing seatbelts, which lends credence to the driver not being the brightest spark to ever hold a license. [editline]18th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=areolop;42567681]I'll tell you by first-hand experience that [B]you cant hear it if you have the radio on in a passenger car[/B]. You need a rumbler for someone to get the message. [/QUOTE] Nah. It's all the sound deadening material they put in modern cars to make them deprivation tanks. I tend to err on the side of loud when blasting metal in the car and I notice emergency sirens are MUCH louder in my 85 pickup than they are in my mom's '96 Explorer. The difference is that the Explorer has a fair bit of sound-deadening material in the body whereas the old beater has exactly none. I do agree that the rumbler is a good idea, though, as it can quite clearly punch through all that sound deadening material.

From what I heard on the local radio station today, the officer was responding to an armed robbery call at a McDonalds and had his lights activate. He entered the intersection and had the right of way. The vehicle hit ran a red light and then stopped in the middle of the intersection. The officer was unable to avoid the collision due to this. They are seeking additional charges on the armed robber due to his actions creating this situation.

[QUOTE=Bredirish123;42566371]I've seen entire people cleaved in half because they weren't securely held in place by a seatbelt. [/QUOTE] This is actually the reason a lot of people don't wear seatbelts too. The (evidently true) rumour that a seatbelt can cut you in half and kill you instead of save you.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42571745]a seatbelt can cut you in half and kill you instead of save you.[/QUOTE] If you hit that hard I'm not sure there's much of anything you can do to survive.

Is clearing intersections not a part of EVOC training for cops or what? Seriously curious because as a medic I was taught to clear intersections, and it's common sense. Could a cop or someone who better knows officer training explain this?

Nobody can explain it because nobody knows what happened. The only living person who saw what happened is in the hospital and may not remember any of it anyway.

[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;42573104]Is clearing intersections not a part of EVOC training for cops or what? Seriously curious because as a medic I was taught to clear intersections, and it's common sense. Could a cop or someone who better knows officer training explain this?[/QUOTE] [quote]Oppenheimer said a computer expert on Monday will help pull speed and braking data and dash-camera video from the cruiser that could explain more about how the crash occurred. "We just don't know anything about the condition of the intersection at the time of the accident," he said. "We've had no witnesses step forward. The only thing we have is the driver of the cruiser, and he's in the hospital, and we're unable to talk to him at this time."[/quote]

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42573132]Nobody can explain it because nobody knows what happened. The only living person who saw what happened is in the hospital and may not remember any of it anyway.[/QUOTE] Most police cars have dashboard cameras.

[QUOTE=BeardyDuck;42573137]blah[/QUOTE] I was asking a question and this doesn't answer it, thanks.

[QUOTE]Police believe none of the six was wearing a seatbelt.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying it would have prevented their deaths or severe injuries, but why the hell would you not wear a seatbelt?? I always wear a seatbelt, isn't it the norm? I haven't even met anyone who thought not wearing them is cool.

[QUOTE=HkSniper;42571732] They are seeking additional charges on the armed robber due to his actions creating this situation.[/QUOTE] What the hell?

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;42571745]This is actually the reason a lot of people don't wear seatbelts too. The (evidently true) rumour that a seatbelt can cut you in half and kill you instead of save you.[/QUOTE] That's if you only put the waist part on. If you only put the waist part on there is nothing protecting your digestive tract or ribcage. You need to put the diagonal and waist aspects on for proper protection. Before some gel-smeared smartarse comes up and says "WELL THERE YOU GO THERE'S A REASON NOT TO WEAR A SEATBELT!" no it's reason to wear a seatbelt PROPERLY. If you didn't wear a seatbelt you'd be twice as dead. Waist part, still dead. Both parts. Not dead.

[QUOTE=Starce;42571545]lights and sirens exist for a reason. pull the fuck over so you don't get hit. being a firefighter, people never do. they just don't move half the time. i'm not saying it was entirely their fault for the accident, no, the cop was all whacked out going to a big call. it's either way, but sadly the cop's probably going to get the heap of shit for all of this.[/QUOTE] A lot of the time, you cant hear a siren until theyre right on you. If the people were crossing an intersection, they were probably going pretty slow. And the officer was going pretty fast. They might not have even heard the siren until it was too late. Even if they heard the siren, ive had quite a few instances where ive heard a siren but never saw a cop. Even after checking mirrors, looking all around, i never saw them. So this could be a case where they never even heard the siren, or where they heard it but couldnt figure out where it was coming from in time to avoid getting hit

[QUOTE=RenegadeCop;42566358]He did run through an intersction, probably past a red light, he's not free from blame here.[/QUOTE] In America, emergency vehicles with their lights and sirens on get the right-of-way, even at red lights. [editline]19th October 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;42573300]I'm not saying it would have prevented their deaths or severe injuries, but why the hell would you not wear a seatbelt?? I always wear a seatbelt, isn't it the norm? I haven't even met anyone who thought not wearing them is cool.[/QUOTE] When I was a kid, I had a camping trip with my scout troop. We all carpooled in one of the parent's SUVs. We went from Pennsylvania to Virginia and not once during the entire trip did the driver buckle his seatbelt. It was beeping at us the entire way.

[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;42573104]Is clearing intersections not a part of EVOC training for cops or what? Seriously curious because as a medic I was taught to clear intersections, and it's common sense. Could a cop or someone who better knows officer training explain this?[/QUOTE] Yes they do. Theres also probably a policy (like how it is for me) on how fast you can actually go on the roads going to a call. Just because you see it as a clear intersection doesnt mean someone else does too unfortunately. Tunnel vision im guessing is a leading factor here

[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;42573104]Is clearing intersections not a part of EVOC training for cops or what? Seriously curious because as a medic I was taught to clear intersections, and it's common sense. Could a cop or someone who better knows officer training explain this?[/QUOTE] Officer had the right of way in the intersection.

I don't get how you guys forget to put a seatbelt on when you enter a car, before I put on transmission or as soon as I sit down my first thing to do is buckle up, it doesn't even feel uncomfortable when you wear it

I had an edgy friend who wouldn't put their seatbelt on when they drove. Because "if I crash I want to die" like haha shut the fuck up

[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;42573249]I was asking a question and this doesn't answer it, thanks.[/QUOTE] don't blame me because you can't use your brain

[QUOTE=Matrix374;42573397]What the hell?[/QUOTE] In the United States all actions arising from you breaking the law are considered to be your fault. For instance if someone robs a bank and causes someone to trip, hit their head, and die, that is considered murder on the part of the robber. If it were to escalate to a shootout between police and the robber, and the cops accidentally shoot and kill an innocent, then that is still considered to be murder on the part of the robber. So officers responding to a robbery and getting into an accident can indeed be considered a direct result of the robbery and place the blame on the suspect.

[QUOTE=GunFox;42576420]So officers responding to a robbery and getting into an accident can indeed be considered a direct result of the robbery and place the blame on the suspect.[/QUOTE] that's a huge stretch. it's not a foreseeable cause that the robbery would result in an officer accidentally killing 6 while responding. also the robbery example you gave wouldn't necessarily be murder since for murder you have to prove there was malice behind the action.

[QUOTE=areolop;42575217]Yes they do. Theres also probably a policy (like how it is for me) on how fast you can actually go on the roads going to a call. Just because you see it as a clear intersection doesnt mean someone else does too unfortunately. Tunnel vision im guessing is a leading factor here[/QUOTE] Thanks. [QUOTE=BeardyDuck;42576379]don't blame me because you can't use your brain[/QUOTE] Still so off base.