Whaler, activist ship collide again off Antarctica - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Billiam;20074605]Not really, Minke whales are nowhere near extinction. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minke_whale[/URL] The reason people are aggravated by whaling is either the possibility of whales being sapient or whaling methods.[/QUOTE] It's also illegal. And they don't just stop at Minke whales

They deserved it. [editline]11:00AM[/editline] [QUOTE=G71tc4;20074719]Wait, that isn't bannable anymore? :buddy:[/QUOTE] It is. I was just banned a week ago for it.

The whole whales going extinct is mainly a propaganda method. Minke whales have a good 50+ years left if nothing is done. Other whales like the Blue's are dangerously close to extinction, they got about 10 years left if nothing is done. But their problem isn't just whaling (which still goes on) Blue whale mating and migratory grounds are in direct shot of major shipping lanes. The whales don't see the ship as a threat/ don't see it in time, and the ship collides with them causing internal damage ultimately resulting in death. Yet blues are still hunted. A group of researchers had a Japanese man go buy a few chucks of whale meet at a Japanese market, they tested the DNA of the meat and found it was meat from a Blue whale. Which are 100% illegal to fish in all forms due to their extreme conservation status. Talk about a delicacy.

[QUOTE=Aaronn;20071931]No. It is illegal. How can I spell this out to you any clearer? Yes you may obtain a few whales for scientific research. No, you may not kill several hundred whales for scientific research and then sell them. This is a blatant violation. I don't see how this idea escapes you? You are merely arguing semantics and trying to exploit a loophole that isn't there. So to explain simply since you are having a hard time: -It is illegal to kill whales for food and money -It is legal to kill them for scientific research -They are obviously killing them just for money and food (this is VERY VERY apparent dude) -Just because they claim it is for scientific research only, does not make it legal when they are obviously doing it for other reasons entirely (food/money). Get it now?[/QUOTE] [quote]does not make it legal[/quote] However it is legal, by loophole or not. Just because you think a minor legal activity is wrong doesn't give you free right to disrupt it like an ass. People who attack animal research clinics are charged as criminals as should these idiots.

i like whales

[QUOTE=Callius;20081674]However it is legal, by loophole or not. Just because you think a minor legal activity is wrong doesn't give you free right to disrupt it like an ass. People who attack animal research clinics are charged as criminals as should these idiots.[/QUOTE] LOL. I don't understand how this is so hard for you to comprehend. It is illegal to kill whales for food and profit. Do you understand? These whalers are only SAYING they are doing it for research. ....Do you have a mental disability? How can you not see this? Let me give an example: -Killing 3 whales is research and you may kindly sell the whale meat since you don't need it. -Killing 300 whales isn't research, it is slaughter and only for profit. They routinely kill blue whales as well. Which aren't even supposed to be used for research killing either. Is any of this getting through to you?

i guess the whale wanted to [i]collide with a ship[/i]

But those whales weren't endangered so there must be plenty to go around...

[QUOTE=wonkadonk;20062606]I can't wait until a whaler ship gets their asses kicked by a Klingon warbird[/QUOTE] Bird of Prey :eng101:

[QUOTE=surfur;20081993]But those whales weren't endangered so there must be plenty to go around...[/QUOTE] Most whale species are dying out. Some faster than others. Blue Whales have only a few years left. Minkes probably have a good while to go but not if the Japanese are slaughtering them by the hundreds.

[QUOTE=Aaronn;20081906]LOL. I don't understand how this is so hard for you to comprehend. It is illegal to kill whales for food and profit. Do you understand? These whalers are only SAYING they are doing it for research. ....Do you have a mental disability? How can you not see this? Let me give an example: -Killing 3 whales is research and you may kindly sell the whale meat since you don't need it. -Killing 300 whales isn't research, it is slaughter and only for profit. They routinely kill blue whales as well. Which aren't even supposed to be used for research killing either. Is any of this getting through to you?[/QUOTE] They are legally killing whales yes. [editline]05:51PM[/editline] For so called, "research" use.

I'm with the whalers. The shepherds and some other groups are sabotaging fucks and I would love to see their ships at the bottom of the ocean.

[QUOTE=Aaronn;20082061]Most whale species are dying out. Some faster than others. Blue Whales have only a few years left. Minkes probably have a good while to go but not if the Japanese are slaughtering them by the hundreds.[/QUOTE] What. Japan hasn't hunted Blue Whales since the ban I believe. Also: [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling_in_Japan#Catches[/URL] Sei, Fin, and Sperm whales are now protected, so yeah.

As long as they don't acseed the population growth of the whales by catching to many i don't see the problem

[QUOTE=Callius;20081674]However it is legal, by loophole or not. Just because you think a minor legal activity is wrong doesn't give you free right to disrupt it like an ass. People who attack animal research clinics are charged as criminals as should these idiots.[/QUOTE] That's the dumbest logic I've heard. You sound like a lawyer being paid to spew out bullshit to protect them. [editline]01:56PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Swebonny;20082068]They are legally killing whales yes. [editline]05:51PM[/editline] For so called, "research" use.[/QUOTE] Which is a fucking loophole anyhow, and furthermore when they do it in Australian waters it's completely illegal regardless of "research"

[QUOTE=Nyaos;20085826]That's the dumbest logic I've heard. You sound like a lawyer being paid to spew out bullshit to protect them. [editline]01:56PM[/editline] Which is a fucking loophole anyhow, and furthermore when they do it in Australian waters it's completely illegal regardless of "research"[/QUOTE] Loophole still means it's legal, and vigilantes are not the Royal Australian Navy. I'm not expert on enforcement of laws on the seas, but I don't think anyone can just start doing it. If anyone, you're the one here with the poor logic.

[QUOTE=Nyaos;20085826]Which is a fucking loophole anyhow, and furthermore when they do it in Australian waters it's completely illegal regardless of "research"[/QUOTE] Good. But this was in Antarctica and I don't believe they were in a sanctuary.

Not these fuckers again. The show is mildly entertaining however.

I'm just going to say this in one big post, though you probably will just pass it by but hear me out. 1. Whaling in the Sanctuary is illegal without Permit, which they questionably don't have. 2.They kill about 2000 minke whales and some fin whales each season(along with some other whales not in the Sanctuary, they have more than one fleet doing this worldwide.). Which would be fine if they were doing it elsewhere. 3. They obviously [B]do [/B]hunt Blue whales because it still shows up in Japanese markets. 4. You can legally take in a criminal if your within a countries legal waters, and you have direct permission to do so by that countries government. 5. Sea Shepherd has tried to get the Aussie government in on the obvious crime the Japanese are doing but the Aussies have better things to do it seems (like banning things LOL). 6. The Japanese government does not recognize the Whale Sanctuary as Aussie water, and therefore hunt it as if it were international waters, they think they are doing no wrong. [B]7. Both "sides" think they are within the bounds of law. [/B]Any more questions?

[QUOTE=Nyaos;20069439]Actually since they have to throw the stuff away they lose any profit they were trying to make. That's the point of their attacks, to make whaling unprofitable.[/quote] What I meant was, the whales are already dead. If they want to save the whales, they should stop them before they kill them. It's already dead, at least they can do something with the body. If they spoil the meat it's just stupid and wasting something that could be put to good use.

[QUOTE=lorden;20097209]What I meant was, the whales are already dead. If they want to save the whales, they should stop them before they kill them. It's already dead, at least they can do something with the body. If they spoil the meat it's just stupid and wasting something that could be put to good use.[/QUOTE] They mostly stop them before they kill them. The reason they spoil the meat is because if they can't sell the meat, the company does not make money. Their trying to make the company go bankrupt. Pretty optimistic considering the Japanese Whaling Industry is a multibillion dollar industry.

No matter what kind of stupidity goes on on either side it shouldn't be happening. It's internationally illegal and it's just pure greed and selfishness that drives them to do that. Their company could easily convert to legitimate fishing but they choose to do whaling illegally under a sneaky loophole in the law just to make a few more yen. So basically whales will go extinct because some greedy fucker can't live with a couple less million a year. There's proof they do it so I really don't know why the Japanese government hasn't cracked down on it a bit.

[QUOTE=Linelor;20097502]No matter what kind of stupidity goes on on either side it shouldn't be happening. It's internationally illegal and it's just pure greed and selfishness that drives them to do that. Their company could easily convert to legitimate fishing but they choose to do whaling illegally under a sneaky loophole in the law just to make a few more yen. So basically whales will go extinct because some greedy fucker can't live with a couple less million a year. There's proof they do it so I really don't know why the Japanese government hasn't cracked down on it a bit.[/QUOTE] The Japanese government does not recognize the Sanctuary as actual Australian waters and fishes it as if it were International. That's the biggest problem here... They bitch that the Aussies don't own that area and they have every right to be there. The Aussies are afraid to start and international incident and don't do anything about it.