• Protesters Hang ‘RESIST’ Banner From Crane Near White House
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[QUOTE=Tudd;51725383]And pretty much half the other country did. And you don't even seem to know what the word Fascist even means. Also Trump isn't racist. That label gets thrown around so easily nowadays.[/QUOTE] I don't like using the word fascist because it has such a strong historical connotation... But Trump is very much a fascist.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51725512]So what, presidents in the past have won without the popular vote before and didn't have people throw riots in the streets day 1. It's overreaction plain and simple. Go ahead and protest, but some of the behavior and rhetoric put out there from the protesters is insanity.[/QUOTE] you missed the part where I said [b]voter turnout was down[/b] this election was different from past ones and you know that. People did not want to choose between these two candidates; of course they're not satisfied with who won. This isn't a partisan issue; left or right, the majority did not want Trump. If team Trump keeps trying to deny this, things are only going to get worse.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51725630]People tend to like what is banned. No, we have to fight them with facts. And haunt them until they realise they're wrong.[/QUOTE] The alt-right isn't interested in facts unless they're "alternative". They shun statistics and the opinions of experts because reality is biased against them. It is easier and faster to just silence them. Bringing masses of backwards hicks into modernity could be done through 'compromise' and years of education but that's time we don't have. The entire world is threatened by alt-rightism and we have to do something about it [I]now[/I]. Unlike them, I have no feverous nightmares about a White House with an Arabic qubba in the place of its dome, nor do I think an ISIS flag will ever hang from 10 Downing Street. Terrorists are too powerless and too far away for that. The real threat to Western society is people who want to drag the world backwards - the anti-intellectuals, the conservatives, and the unashamed bigots of the alt-right. Unlike ISIS, they are already within our borders - no """scary immigration""" needed - and they have already infiltrated governments worldwide.
[QUOTE=CanUBe;51725712]The alt-right isn't interested in facts unless they're "alternative". They shun statistics and the opinions of experts because reality is biased against them. It is easier and faster to just silence them. Bringing masses of backwards hicks into modernity could be done through 'compromise' and years of education but that's time we don't have. The entire world is threatened by alt-rightism and we have to do something about it [I]now[/I]. Unlike them, I have no feverous nightmares about a White House with an Arabic qubba in the place of its dome, nor do I think an ISIS flag will ever hang from 10 Downing Street. Terrorists are too powerless and too far away for that. The real threat to Western society is people who want to drag the world backwards - the anti-intellectuals, the conservatives, and the unashamed bigots of the alt-right. Unlike ISIS, they are already within our borders - no """scary immigration""" needed - and they have already infiltrated governments worldwide.[/QUOTE] It might be faster and easier but you're assuming that people will accept that. I certainly won't, despite me despising these people. It is all too easy for those methods to be used against bigger and bigger groups. Nobody should be silenced, despite the consequences.
[QUOTE=CanUBe;51725712]The alt-right isn't interested in facts unless they're "alternative". They shun statistics and the opinions of experts because reality is biased against them. It is easier and faster to just silence them. Bringing masses of backwards hicks into modernity could be done through 'compromise' and years of education but that's time we don't have. The entire world is threatened by alt-rightism and we have to do something about it [I]now[/I]. Unlike them, I have no feverous nightmares about a White House with an Arabic qubba in the place of its dome, nor do I think an ISIS flag will ever hang from 10 Downing Street. Terrorists are too powerless and too far away for that. The real threat to Western society is people who want to drag the world backwards - the anti-intellectuals, the conservatives, and the unashamed bigots of the alt-right. Unlike ISIS, they are already within our borders - no """scary immigration""" needed - and they have already infiltrated governments worldwide.[/QUOTE] You sound just as paranoid as the people you are strawmanning/overgenerallizing
[QUOTE=CanUBe;51725712]The alt-right isn't interested in facts unless they're "alternative". They shun statistics and the opinions of experts because reality is biased against them. [B]It is easier and faster to just silence them.[/B] Bringing masses of backwards hicks into modernity could be done through 'compromise' and years of education but that's time we don't have. The entire world is threatened by alt-rightism and we have to do something about it [I]now[/I]. Unlike them, I have no feverous nightmares about a White House with an Arabic qubba in the place of its dome, nor do I think an ISIS flag will ever hang from 10 Downing Street. Terrorists are too powerless and too far away for that. The real threat to Western society is people who want to drag the world backwards - the anti-intellectuals, the conservatives, and the unashamed bigots of the alt-right. Unlike ISIS, they are already within our borders - no """scary immigration""" needed - and they have already infiltrated governments worldwide.[/QUOTE] Rhetoric like this can and will bring us closer to a civil war.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51725729]It might be faster and easier but you're assuming that people will accept that. I certainly won't, despite me despising these people. It is all too easy for those methods to be used against bigger and bigger groups. Nobody should be silenced, despite the consequences.[/QUOTE] If people can be made to accept Trump's actions then they can accept the actions of any leader. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a struggle, but opposing them through education is an uphill battle as you have to erode through so much of their ideology, which naturally they will be quite defensive towards. Opposing them through political means, however, would be a downhill battle - the more they are silenced, the harder it is for them to meet and spread their beliefs.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;51725348]Resist what? Democratically elected leaders? Wtf is this crap.[/QUOTE] Just some protesters trying to be [I]edgy[/I]
[QUOTE=RocketSnail;51725771]Just some protesters trying to be [I]edgy[/I][/QUOTE] Fighting for what we believe in. So edgy.
Honestly I fully support this
[QUOTE=CanUBe;51725579]This won't happen. Most Trump supporters are stuck in a cult of personality and attempting to reason with them only entrenches them further. Trump himself could come up to them in the street and personally kick them in the balls and they'd still find a way to blame it on """ the leftists""". We need to ban their beliefs everywhere or they'll spread like locusts. I don't want to restrict political liberties but we need to do it to protect our [I]social[/I] liberties and save future generations from climate change.[/QUOTE] Banning any beliefs risks our very own right to hold beliefs at all. Prohibition is not the anwer and has never worked effectively. Look at the war on drugs- completely ineffective. Banning free speech is directly in violation of the first amendment, as well- if we violate the rights of a specific group of people for their beliefs, what's to stop that same precedent being used against innocent people in the future? The battleground belongs in the social realm. Make their views as completely socially unacceptable and perhaps they will crack under the pressure of society. There are those that are entirely enshrouded in their dream world, ignoring everything around them, and those people cannot be saved, but we should not rip their rights away in a feel-good measure that risks everything we were fighting for in the first place.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51725630]People tend to like what is banned. No, we have to fight them with facts. And haunt them until they realise they're wrong.[/QUOTE] Idiots don't believe in facts and never accept that they're wrong. Trump voters will go their graves thinking they made the right decision.
[QUOTE=ThePanther;51725348]Resist what? Democratically elected leaders? Wtf is this crap.[/QUOTE] [thumb]http://i.imgur.com/2AniVKG.jpg[/THUMB] he was democratically elected too
[QUOTE=ZombieWaffle;51725808]Banning any beliefs risks our very own right to hold beliefs at all. Prohibition is not the anwer and has never worked effectively. Look at the war on drugs- completely ineffective. Banning free speech is directly in violation of the first amendment, as well- if we violate the rights of a specific group of people for their beliefs, what's to stop that same precedent being used against innocent people in the future? The battleground belongs in the social realm. Make their views as completely socially unacceptable and perhaps they will crack under the pressure of society.[/QUOTE] Well that's not going to happen, not unless you have a legal precedent set to make those views "socially unacceptable" as well. Basically, what Germany does to neo-Nazis and fascists who try stirring up shit in their country. "Not only are you going to be ostracized on a regular basis by ordinary people, you're also going to be legally corralled so we can keep an eye on you and keep you from ever acquiring power again." There's no reason whatsoever to continue to be tolerant of these people. If it isn't just innocent stupidity that's to blame for them supporting him, then it's something malicious. Either way, it's no excuse. It's time for them to disown him. He's not even a week into his presidency, and he's already the most hated man in the United States. The people hate him, the government hates him because of how he's stomped around the intelligence community and because of his treatment of federal employees (i.e. silencing climate change scientists and the EPA, requesting gigantic lists of names of people who work in these types of atmospheres with no stated reason as to why he wants these lists, etc.)-- fuck, our [i]allies[/i] hate him; Merkel has said Germany has "given up" on the possibility of him acting the appropriate way the POTUS is supposed to. The people who continue to support him in spite of all this, you cannot reason with them. You're not going to make a breakthrough with them and cause them to see the light using rational debate and argument. We already understand how they think, and their thinking is fucking retarded. Not only is it retarded, it's also dangerous. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, they're ruining our country and are enemies of everything that it's supposed to stand for. I don't want that. Millions of other Americans don't want that either. All that remains is for us to definitively do something about it so we don't have to deal with it ever again and so our country doesn't have to suffer the consequences of it. We are going to have to sort out both Trump and Pence, we're going to have to do the same with the Republican Party. And we're also going to have to sort out the people who put these fuckwits into power and who continue to support them in spite of everything they've done and plan to do. Or we do nothing, things get worse by the week in this country, and we decline in the long-term. Net neutrality goes out the window. The ACA, gone-- leaving 30 million people without a suitable replacement for their healthcare coverage. The Keystone Pipeline, it's going to be railroaded through. The EPA will no longer be allowed to do its job-- you know, protecting the environment-- because it's not profitable, and climate change will be a barred topic from it. Etc. Again, just look at the news from the last [i]five days[/i]. Already the direction our country is taking is not good, and Trump is poised to sign more executive orders in his first hundred days than Obama did in his entire eight years. We cannot afford complacency or apathy or excuses to be made about this anymore. Something has got to be done, or God only knows what this place will look like in a year, two years, or four years. They not only need to be removed from power, they must also be kept from ever gaining power again; the people that put them there also have no business being allowed to run this place. We also need to get rid of the Electoral College since it's actually what put him in there. But that still doesn't excuse all the people who unironically voted for him and who continue to genuinely support him and believe in him in spite of everything that says, "You guys are fucking idiots, he doesn't care about you or your country."
[QUOTE=CanUBe;51725598]You wouldn't have anywhere to go. That's the point.[/QUOTE] But you just said you would ban my beliefs. What would happen when I keep supporting Trump? [editline]25th January 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Govna;51725903] The people who continue to support him in spite of all this, you cannot reason with them. You're not going to make a breakthrough with them and cause them to see the light using rational debate and argument. We already understand how they think, and their thinking is fucking retarded. Not only is it retarded, it's also dangerous. Whether intentionally or unintentionally, they're ruining our country and are enemies of everything that it's supposed to stand for. I don't want that. Millions of other Americans don't want that either. All that remains is for us to definitively do something about it so we don't have to deal with it ever again and so our country doesn't have to suffer the consequences of it. We are going to have to sort out both Trump and Pence, we're going to have to do the same with the Republican Party. And we're also going to have to sort out the people who put these fuckwits into power and who continue to support them in spite of everything they've done and plan to do. [/QUOTE] Come on, tell me what should happen to people like me. The suspense is enthralling.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51725383]And pretty much half the other country did. And you don't even seem to know what the word Fascist even means. Also Trump isn't racist. That label gets thrown around so easily nowadays.[/QUOTE] do you think that 100% of people voted lol
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51725971]do you think that 100% of people voted lol[/QUOTE] Lol, no. Where does anything I say indicate that? If you mean using the same rhetoric as everyone that "the majority of the country voted for Clinton." then yah sorry I used country. I hardly see anyone say "the majority of the eligible voting population voted for Hillary!" Doesn't roll of the tongue or keyboard well. Only 1/3rd of eligible voted woot woot American politics.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51726003]Lol, no. Where does anything I saw indicate that? Only 1/3rd of eligible voted woot woot American politics.[/QUOTE] Some Guy: "The majority of Americans didn't want Trump." You: "And pretty much half the other country did." ?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51725512]So what, presidents in the past have won without the popular vote before and didn't have people throw riots in the streets day 1. It's overreaction plain and simple. Go ahead and protest, but some of the behavior and rhetoric put out there from the protesters is insanity.[/QUOTE] The reason the reaction is worse now is that the situation is worse now; more than 5 times as bad as any of the other times it happened. Criticism of the electoral college isn't new. It having happened before doesn't excuse it either, because it's bullshit every time. It makes it worse.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51726018]Some Guy: "The majority of Americans didn't want Trump." You: "And pretty much half the other country did." ?[/QUOTE] Ah yes, you did think that even though those two statements basically are implying the same thing. Just silly semantics dude, get over it.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51725782]Fighting for what we believe in. So edgy.[/QUOTE] I thought the italics meant he was being sarcastic, as I remember a poster stating the riots happening were due to people trying to be edgy, a comment the poster got destroyed for making.
Hahaha! These people have lost their marbles with this election.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51726031]Ah yes, you did think that even though those two statements basically are implying the same thing. Just silly semantics dude, get over it.[/QUOTE] Why so hostile? Gosh. 25.5% of Americans voted for Trump. That isn't half the country. 47% percent of people who voted, voted for Trump. That isn't half the country.
[QUOTE=Hogie bear;51726070]I thought the italics meant he was being sarcastic, as I remember a poster stating the riots happening were due to people trying to be edgy, a comment the poster got destroyed for making.[/QUOTE] /s is used for denoting sarcasm.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51725578]I look at it and see a bias, but atleast it isn't reddit /politics/ bad. It's actually pretty good here except for a few leftists. I think most people on here are actually common sense liberals who just don't really comment that much cause this arguing is tiring as fuck for most. But it also doesn't help that most of the mainstream media is also left leaning. Which is what fuels SH and that Facepunch is heavily favored to be not for Trump according to the census regarding political affiliation and voter admission.[/QUOTE] So when you say bias do you mean the threads being created, or the posters in them? I think some posters are definitely liable to give way to hyperbole when it comes to Trump but I don't really think a glut of news stories about Trump simply doing things like censoring the EPA and appointing questionable people to adviser positions shows a bias. Maybe you should make the case in those threads for Trump instead of posting cherrypicked videos of protesters in an attempt to generalize and strawman the left.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51726186]So when you say bias do you mean the threads being created, or the posters in them? I think some posters are definitely liable to give way to hyperbole when it comes to Trump but I don't really think a glut of news stories about Trump simply doing things like censoring the EPA and appointing questionable people to adviser positions shows a bias. Maybe you should make the case in those threads for Trump instead of posting cherrypicked videos of protesters in an attempt to generalize and strawman the left.[/QUOTE] "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
[QUOTE=CanUBe;51725712]The alt-right isn't interested in facts unless they're "alternative". They shun statistics and the opinions of experts because reality is biased against them. It is easier and faster to just silence them. Bringing masses of backwards hicks into modernity could be done through 'compromise' and years of education but that's time we don't have.[/QUOTE] Woah calm down there Stalin, there's no need for mass murder of political opponents. We live in a modern society, there are ways to deal with problems that don't involve execution squads and death camps.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51725590]How social justice of you. So where do I go if I still want to keep my opinion?[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? You could just flood our video section with more videos decrying violent "leftists" in order to cast a shadow of doubt on impressionable people! how anyone still thinks that you are trying to hold an honest discussion or trying to provide an "alternative view" on this website is beyond me
[QUOTE=Tudd;51725590]How social justice of you. So where do I go if I still want to keep my opinion?[/QUOTE] I'd prefer if you just went, away. Unlike some of the other Trump supporters on here you're incredibly obnoxious about it and I don't think anyone would really miss you if you left. [sp]Except masochists or people who like to argue[/sp]
[QUOTE=Cone;51725359]SUPER FUN DEMOCRACY FACT: Donald Trump's least favorite number is 3 million![/QUOTE] You want a really fun fact? 40% of eligible voters (92.6 million people) didn't vote in this election. We live in an era where more people will vote for a TV show (American Idol) than for the nations Presidential election. 3 million people is statistically insignificant in this situation. Sure, 3 million more people voted for Hillary that [i]actually did[/i] vote, but more than 1/3rd of eligible voters didn't actually vote in this election. It's impossible to tell how the outcome would've changed if even half of those people decided to vote.
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