Protesters Hang ‘RESIST’ Banner From Crane Near White House
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[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51725422]When their rights are threatened, you're damn right they're fighting a war.[/QUOTE]
hjahahahaha
trump: "i am going to take away all your rights guys"
ad verbatim quote, trust me it's legit.
Nobody's fighting a war, it's children being children, (and fucking up the streets of DC with litter and signs in order to achieve basically nothing)
[QUOTE=BANNED USER;51726356]You want a really fun fact? 40% of eligible voters (92.6 million people) didn't vote in this election. We live in an era where more people will vote for a TV show (American Idol) than for the nations Presidential election. 3 million people is statistically insignificant in this situation. Sure, 3 million more people voted for Hillary that [i]actually did[/i] vote, but more than 1/3rd of eligible voters didn't actually vote in this election. It's impossible to tell how the outcome would've changed if even half of those people decided to vote.[/QUOTE]
I don't know why this is such a phenomenon in America. Like I can understand voter-suppression playing into it, but there's no way the number is that big just from it.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;51726376]I don't know why this is such a phenomenon in America. Like I can understand voter-suppression playing into it, but there's no way the number is that big just from it.[/QUOTE]
It's more about voter apathy, feeling like their votes won't matter, or that the candidates on offer aren't worth their votes. FPTP and the electoral college dont help matters either.
I'm 100% with the protestors at this point. That photograph is powerful and I'm glad people are causing a stink and not letting up. I don't know how effective the protests will be, but they're more than justified. We entered dystopian territory when Trump told the EPA they're not allowed to speak to the public.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;51726376]I don't know why this is such a phenomenon in America. Like I can understand voter-suppression playing into it, but there's no way the number is that big just from it.[/QUOTE]
Obliviousness, ignorance, apathy, laziness, stupidity. Just a few reasons why people don't vote or choose to not vote.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51726366]hjahahahaha
trump: "i am going to take away all your rights guys"
ad verbatim quote, trust me it's legit.
Nobody's fighting a war, it's children being children, (and fucking up the streets of DC with litter and signs in order to achieve basically nothing)[/QUOTE]
It's not a war, but it is a conflict of rights.
Republicans and Trump are making it more and more harder to access women's care such as birth control and abortions, something that should be a right in today's society.
But sure, let's simplify it to children littering. 👁👅👁
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51726366]hjahahahaha
trump: "i am going to take away all your rights guys"
ad verbatim quote, trust me it's legit.
Nobody's fighting a war, it's children being children, (and fucking up the streets of DC with litter and signs in order to achieve basically nothing)[/QUOTE]
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Oh, kinda like New Years Eve?
They gagged the EPA and other agencies that WE pay for due to their stance on climate change.
Just because YOU aren't the EPA or one of the several agencies silenced in the last three days DOESN'T mean it won't happen to you.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51726397]It's not a war, but it is a conflict of rights.
Republicans and Trump are making it more and more harder to access women's care such as birth control and abortions, something that should be a right in today's society.
But sure, let's simplify it to children littering. 👁👅👁[/QUOTE]
In a world of pure imagination where state laws don't exist and killing unborn children is "women's care"
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51726397]It's not a war, but it is a conflict of rights.
Republicans and Trump are making it more and more harder to access women's care such as birth control and abortions, something that should be a right in today's society.
But sure, let's simplify it to children littering. 👁👅👁[/QUOTE]
It's funny, I don't even remember being as hard on the tea party protesters as a lot of people are being on anti-trump protesters. I mean, didn't they have armed protests? I thought that was kinda' fucked up, but I didn't say much 'cause, hey, if they've got permits for those guns and just wanna' dickwave then fine by me I guess, but like...
Damn the desperation to discount these protests is just incredible, lol.
[QUOTE=Phycosymo;51726312]What are you talking about? You could just flood our video section with more videos decrying violent "leftists" in order to cast a shadow of doubt on impressionable people!
how anyone still thinks that you are trying to hold an honest discussion or trying to provide an "alternative view" on this website is beyond me[/QUOTE]
I actually get along with quite a few people on here who really don't agree with me. You can even see that on my profile wall.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51726410]
Oh, kinda like New Years Eve?
They gagged the EPA and other agencies that WE pay for due to their stance on climate change.
Just because YOU aren't the EPA or one of the several agencies silenced in the last three days DOESN'T mean it won't happen to you.[/QUOTE]
Right there with you on the EPA bud, my reply was about trump taking away people's rights like we're just full scale 1930s Germany. I just thought it was funny
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51726421]In a world of pure imagination where state laws don't exist and killing unborn children is "women's care"[/QUOTE]
Again, you simplifying something so complex as women's care to killing unborn children (which in itself is a separate topic of discussion) shows how little understanding you have in the big picture.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51726442]Right there with you on the EPA bud, my reply was about trump taking away people's rights like we're just full scale 1930s Germany. I just thought it was funny[/QUOTE]
Taking away people's rights in this country, like women's health care, is a huge deal in the United States.
[QUOTE=Destroyox;51726340]I'd prefer if you just went, away. Unlike some of the other Trump supporters on here you're incredibly obnoxious about it and I don't think anyone would really miss you if you left. [sp]Except masochists or people who like to argue[/sp][/QUOTE]
Haha, please tell me the "good" Trump supporters in your view. There is like only a handful of us that consistently comment.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51726454]Haha, please tell me the "good" Trump supporters in your view. There is like only a handful of us that consistently comment.[/QUOTE]
Sorry if I've missed it, but what is your response to Trump's EPA censorship? Can you link me a post even?
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51726421]In a world of pure imagination where state laws don't exist and killing unborn children is "women's care"[/QUOTE]
[URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_debate"]ICYMI: There's a debate on when it's technically killing a clump of cells vs when it's killing a child.[/URL]
[QUOTE=srobins;51726470]Sorry if I've missed it, but what is your response to Trump's EPA censorship? Can you link me a post even?[/QUOTE]
[url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549892&p=51724506&viewfull=1#post51724506[/url]
If your political ideology requires that you restrict the information that public gets, that's tyrannical.
[QUOTE=Llamaguy;51726450]Again, you simplifying something so complex as women's care to killing unborn children (which in itself is a separate topic of discussion) shows how little understanding you have in the big picture.
Taking away people's rights in this country, like women's health care, is a huge deal in the United States.[/QUOTE]
Trump actually said he's going to fund women's health care. He never once said he would outright defund anything and certainly not take away anyone's rights. He just said he wasn't going to do it for abortions, which isn't 'women's care' no matter how many times you throw that term around. For someone who likes to complain so much about simplifying issues you sure love to just jump to conclusions about rights being taken away when there's nothing to suggest that's happening.
[QUOTE=Lambeth;51726482]If your political ideology requires that you restrict the information that public gets, that's tyrannical.[/QUOTE]
Dare you say... :bullshit: ?
[QUOTE=Tudd;51726480][url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1549892&p=51724506&viewfull=1#post51724506[/url][/QUOTE]
I honestly expected better dude. Even if you disagree with the EPA's policies, censorship of environmental facts and data and a gagging order on an entire agency responsible for climate/environmental research is absolutely indefensible. There's no good reason for it and I think/hope somewhere deep down you know that.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51726435]I actually get along with quite a few people on here who really don't agree with me. You can even see that on my profile wall.[/QUOTE]
Honestly I think this is intentional PR at this point because you bring this up in every time someone calls you out for your partisan hackery.
"I get along with quite a bit of users, actually!"
I thought you just had mood swings because you usually try and find others to talk to other people shortly after people call you out for your shit after being a dick, but I think it's more so you can pretend in your little world that having a few people that find your behavior fine means that it is.
[QUOTE=srobins;51726499]I honestly expected better dude. Even if you disagree with the EPA's policies, censorship of environmental facts and data and a gagging order on an entire agency responsible for climate/environmental research is absolutely indefensible. There's no good reason for it and I think/hope somewhere deep down you know that.[/QUOTE]
It's going to be temporary either way. I am more curious of what it looks like once it's back up before I lame.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51726495]Trump actually said he's going to fund women's health care. He never once said he would outright defund anything and certainly not take away anyone's rights. He just said he wasn't going to do it for [B]abortions, which isn't 'women's care'[/B] no matter how many times you throw that term around. For someone who likes to complain so much about simplifying issues you sure love to just jump to conclusions about rights being taken away when there's nothing to suggest that's happening.[/QUOTE]
Republicans are pushing legislation to define life beginning at conception and Trump has explicitly stated his intention to put pro-life judges on the Supreme Court. The end result being the effective criminalization of abortion. Defunding Planned Parenthood not only limits access to abortion but to contraceptives and health services for women.. A collection of services a rational person might define as "women's care".
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[QUOTE=Tudd;51726512]It's going to be temporary either way. I am more curious of what it looks like once it's back up before I lame.[/QUOTE]
Even assuming it's "temporary", what justification is there for it in the first place? Suppression of environmental research is fucking horrific dude, come on.
[QUOTE=Crumpet;51725544]I dunno how you can look at the front page of SH and think 'yep, all looks good'.[/QUOTE]
Denial is a magical thing.
[QUOTE=srobins;51726517]Republicans are pushing legislation to define life beginning at conception and Trump has explicitly stated his intention to put pro-life judges on the Supreme Court. The end result being the effective criminalization of abortion. Defunding Planned Parenthood not only limits access to abortion but to contraceptives and health services for women.. A collection of services a rational person might define as "women's care".
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Even assuming it's "temporary", what justification is there for it in the first place? Suppression of environmental research is fucking horrific dude, come on.[/QUOTE]
Most of PP's funding and work goes to low-income communities and women that wouldn't have access to healthcare anyways. Breast Cancer screenings are one of the more important services they provide, along with things like STD testing (which is also available for men), contraceptives to prevent pregnancy in the first place, and general education on sexual health (which the US is sorely lacking in)
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Washington State also offers PrEP through their planned parenthood clinics, which is used to (mostly) prevent HIV and make the risk of contracting HIV for anyone near zero, but it's especially useful for the gay community. Its not free, but they either help you find a payment program or help you corroborate with your insurance to get it covered. Planned Parenthood is REMARKABLY useful and important, and cutting it due to one issue is so daft and myopic that it feels with rage, tbh
[QUOTE=srobins;51726517]
Even assuming it's "temporary", what justification is there for it in the first place? Suppression of environmental research is fucking horrific dude, come on.[/QUOTE]
Probably to get rid of the contents that pushed for Obama's administrations policies. Again, if it comes back where actual science is gone, then yeah I will call foul.
[QUOTE=srobins;51726517]Republicans are pushing legislation to define life beginning at conception and Trump has explicitly stated his intention to put pro-life judges on the Supreme Court. The end result being the effective criminalization of abortion. [B]Defunding Planned Parenthood[/B] not only limits access to abortion but to contraceptives and health services for women.. A collection of services a rational person might define as "women's care".
[editline]25th January 2017[/editline]
Even assuming it's "temporary", what justification is there for it in the first place? Suppression of environmental research is fucking horrific dude, come on.[/QUOTE]
Nice reading skills. He's not defunding planned parenthood, he stated that in no unclear terms. He said he's changing it so it no longer supports abortion. Taking away your ability to legally have your fetus killed is not a right, and never should be. Not exactly a doomsday scenario. Besides, while i'm not well versed in US law, is it not true that states can legalise abortion if the federal level deems it illegal?
[QUOTE=Captain James;51725465]Have you actually sat down and tried talking to a "protester"? You try to have open dialogue with someone and god forbid you use any words involving more than 3 syllables or you're accused of trying to make a word salad, if what you want to say doesn't fit a narrative you're silenced and drowned out with chanting or name calling until only their voice is heard. If you want to talk about cherry picking and condescension, take a good look at the people who were anti-Trump following this whole election cycle.[/QUOTE]
Is protester different from your "protester"? People taking part in protests are very keen on having a discussion about the topic of protest and most are very civil. You might get a different impression if your primary source for protester talks are YT videos on channels espousing opposite viewpoint for the purpose of making said protest seem illegitimate.
And regarding your post itself -
[quote]Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.[/quote]
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection[/url]
[QUOTE=Tudd;51726554]Probably to get rid of the contents that pushed for Obama's administrations policies. Again, if it comes back where actual science is gone, then yeah I will call foul.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about him wiping the pages on the website, I agree that it's reasonable for the transition to include a temporary wipe of government pages. What I take issue with is issuing a gagging order to the ESA and telling them they're not allowed to interact with the public or the press, and silencing their social media accounts. How is [I]that[/I] reasonable?
[editline]25th January 2017[/editline]
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51726564]Nice reading skills. He's not defunding planned parenthood, he stated that in no unclear terms. Taking away your ability to legally have your fetus killed is not a right, and never should be. Not exactly a doomsday scenario[/QUOTE]
I can't really bear to argue with a pro-lifer tbh so I'm gonna tap out of this argument. All I can say is you should try taking a biology class before you try and foist unwanted children into the arms of unwilling and unable mothers.
[QUOTE=Cabbage;51726564]Nice reading skills. He's not defunding planned parenthood, he stated that in no unclear terms. [B]Taking away your ability to legally have your fetus killed is not a right, and never should be.[/B] Not exactly a doomsday scenario[/QUOTE]
And why do you get to say this? Who gets to decide if this is or is not my right?
I'm a dude. I have [I][B]NO[/B][/I] idea what pregnancy is like, I don't have to worry about being raped and getting pregnant, I don't have to worry about getting pregnant and having the father disappear, and so on, but I don't see any option but being [I]entirely[/I] pro-choice and ceding this matter to qualified individuals. Those being:
1. Women, duh
2. Doctors specializing in neonatal care, since they have a good idea of when a baby becomes a baby and not a lump of vaguely human-shaped cells
3. Anyone willing to listen to the above two types of people, and vote/think/argue rationally on their behalf
Access to abortions is vital for maintaining a healthy and happy community in low income areas. This is a tragedy into and of itself, but it's not going away if we just sorta bury the problem and ignore it. No one loves or enjoys abortions, but they're a necessary reality of life. There is no reason anyone, in 2017, should be pro-life. Especially not if you're a dude.
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