Better study:
Get a guy and a girl with equal programming skill
Tell them to make a basic text based game
Results:
The games are of same quality, it doesn't fucking matter what sex you are.
[QUOTE=meharryp;46610986]Better study:
Get a guy and a girl with equal programming skill
Tell them to make a basic text based game
Results:
The games are of same quality, it doesn't fucking matter what sex you are.[/QUOTE]
But the other one made a grammatical mistake! Obviously an inferior programmer.
[QUOTE=sarge997;46608256][B]This just in~ [/B]Women think they're better then men!
Can we stop with this already?[/QUOTE]
Haha shit yes bro, way to show those ugly butch feminists, put them hoes in they place, redpillin4lyf, pm me ur address I'll take you out and buy you a beer sometime eh
[editline]1st December 2014[/editline]
pls respond
current society girls just aren't as likely to be drawn to a lifestyle that consists of spending the majority of your day in a room in front of a computer using super computer programs to make hightech 3d renderings for aaa+ gaming and being as disgusting as boys are
so obviously you're not better making games
because 1) it's not in your nature
2)whenever a girl is a developer there's always an interview of the girl gamer developer online talking about how ahead of her time she is why don't guys make selfpraise vlogs talking about how cool it is to be developing a 3d orc and iphone app probably because they aren't faggots like girls are and the guys that are making these vlogs are faggots
since when did obfuscation mean you were better at making games
if two moves can do what 7 can do, that's better
plus there's more to a game than just the code itself
A three headed tentacle squirrel on meth could make a game and I wouldn't care, as long as the game is good.
fucks sake.
[QUOTE=elowin;46608154]lol
the only thing this study proves is that girls on average care more about school projects than boys do.
we already knew this.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
I am fairly sure many more girls could be very good coders and developers than the today norm is, but taking a group of schoolkids, giving them an assigment, and trying to distinguish the results by gender is nonsense as the work morale matters much more than their ability to do stuff.
If this study says anything, it's that boys in the particular class need to try harder.
[editline]1st December 2014[/editline]
Other than this quote this thread is pretty hilariously bad tho.
They made more complex games, they didn't make the same thing through more complex code, ffs.
Some fucking reading comprehension, fellas.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;46608496]Poor logic
Poor logic
You can criticize the study as you please, but I don't see anything to make me dismiss out of hand the claim that girls would be better than boys at making video games.[/QUOTE]
Sample size.
I'm pretty sure no one cares whether the game they're playing was coded by a man or woman, as long as the game is good.
[QUOTE=V12US;46611792]I'm pretty sure no one cares whether the game they're playing was coded by a man or woman, as long as the game is good.[/QUOTE]
You are hugely mistaken here. A lot of people care.
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;46608496]
You can criticize the study as you please, but I don't see anything to make me dismiss out of hand the claim that girls would be better than boys at making video games.[/QUOTE]
this is probably why you are posting on facepunch and not being a field researcher
[QUOTE=V12US;46611792]I'm pretty sure no one cares whether the game they're playing was coded by a man or woman, as long as the game is good.[/QUOTE]
If literally no one cared, this study wouldn't even have taken place.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46611796]You are hugely mistaken here. A lot of people care.[/QUOTE]
Why would you care?
Do you play a game and think "[i]Man, this game is so much fun, but I really wish it was coded by a man/woman instead![/i]"?
I bet most people don't even know who codes their games.
[QUOTE=V12US;46611857]Why would you care?
Do you play a game and think "[i]Man, this game is so much fun, but I really wish it was coded by a man/woman instead![/i]"?
I bet most people don't even know who codes their games.[/QUOTE]
I think he means that people care about who the developer is. But for AAA titles, the big studio developing the game has less personality to it (except something like Valve and Gabe), but with indie games the developers appear more as individuals because the size of the company and development team is much smaller.
Though how many people care about who the developers are as individuals, probably not so many.
oh man I wish I had a vagina so I could make better computer games
[QUOTE=Raizo;46611538]A three headed tentacle squirrel on meth could make a game and I wouldn't care, as long as the game is good.
fucks sake.[/QUOTE]
something tells me they would make hotline miami
I dont even..
[QUOTE=Havolis;46612204]oh man I wish I had a vagina so I could make better computer games[/QUOTE]
That can be arranged.
Can I just point out something.
This study, and previous one quoted stated that women's skills were better 'when in an environment that took advantage of their story telling skills'.
[B]This literally means an environment that better suits girls over boys, girls do better. No shit they're gonna do better.[/B]
[QUOTE=V12US;46611857]Why would you care?
Do you play a game and think "[i]Man, this game is so much fun, but I really wish it was coded by a man/woman instead![/i]"?
I bet most people don't even know who codes their games.[/QUOTE]
I personally don't but a lot of people do indeed care. An all female indie team's game would get huge popularity simply due to that fact. Or games where lead designer or story writer is a female, it gets mentioned quite a bit which means there's a decent chunk of people who care.
It's not about who codes it but who develops and has biggest influence on the game.
Saying no one cares is just wrong.
[QUOTE=cecilbdemodded;46610068]Did you try this article's suggested approach? Use something like Scratch. It sounds just like Flip, except you don't need to install a game like Neverwinter Nights. It's visually oriented so she won't be put off by having to learn the language's syntax. She should be able to create something and have it running right away with your help. Meanwhile, once she's done some basic things, you can then explain those concepts while being able to directly relate them to the simple program she has already made. Explaining something concrete is always easier than trying to explain an abstract concept.[/QUOTE]
I will try that next time we find time, but I think it will be much harder, her depression and schizo has gotten really out of hand and it's really crippling her cognition and can barely be social even if it's only with me. Kind of depressing. [/offtopic]
I have been wanting to program ever since I was like 7-8 or something, however I failed to understand how programming works. It was first when my mom gave me "Structured Computer Organisation" by Tanenbaum(The 3rd edition I think) at around age 11 and I rigorously studied how a computer actually worked before I had the slightest idea of programming. Even then I have been programming since I was 12 and I still suck dirty hairy balls at it.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;46612675]I personally don't but a lot of people do indeed care. An all female indie team's game would get huge popularity simply due to that fact. Or games where lead designer or story writer is a female, it gets mentioned quite a bit which means there's a decent chunk of people who care.
It's not about who codes it but who develops and has biggest influence on the game.
Saying no one cares is just wrong.[/QUOTE]
People may care, that doesn't mean they should, though.
[QUOTE][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/Y4iQhWJ.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Yeah, they are pro devs
[QUOTE=_Axel;46612760]People may care, that doesn't mean they should, though.[/QUOTE]
That is mostly irrelevant since they will anyway.
I don't give a shit if its a boy or girl makes the game...If its good [B]its good![/B]
So, what they're saying is that for every two [del]lines of "code"[/del] [i]triggers[/i] a boy had, a girl had seven of them? Well, shit, I could've already had almost 10,000 lines of [i]actual[/i] code done by now if I was female! :dance:
Complexity is not necessarily a good thing when it comes to code. Besides that, the sample size in a single Game Design class is obviously going to be extremely low. Ignoring the fact that Game Design classes tend to be absolute trash, you cannot accurately represent any statistic by using only 30 or so children.
What they are doing is not writing code, either. They are using an event system that writes and interprets code for them, but gives simple building blocks so that they have some amount of control.
Additionally, they're working with an already existing engine. Working within the constraints of an engine somebody made is an entirely different story than coding something yourself.
Boobs : +25% Coding skill
I had a look at the study and it's the usual case of the Telegraph's technology journalist having a sensationalism wank over the results, the study is a relatively small scale thing for the researchers who likely aim to do something larger scale in the future. They didn't really draw any conclusions other than girls using more complex triggers in this case, and suggesting that it might be interesting for someone to investigate the effects of literacy on complexity of narrative, as they noted the girls had higher literacy skills on average prior to the test. The actual success in making a script was not statistically significant. 55 pupils were involved, 43 made at least simple working scripts (24 girls 18 boys, 1 uncounted as absent on day of test)
The research paper is solid, and doesn't make any wild claims, it is what it is, is an interesting article (even if I don't understand the subject area that well) and that's all well and good.
It's a case of bad journalism with the Telegraph extrapolating and making wild bullshit claims for views, not caring about journalistic integrity.
Kinda like when whatever paper tried to claim a glass of red wine a day would prevent cancer, citing a study about an enzyme extracted from red grape skin having effects on cancer cells in a petri dish (by that logic, setting fire to a tumour will also cure cancer!).
If girls are better than boys at making video games, shouldnt we stop all these organisations aiming at supporting girls in that subject and instead focus on helping out boys?
If a girl like Susan Wilson gets about 25k dollars in addition to a paid attendence at a camp (which she didnt even attend) while also getting her game made by real developers (you know these evil male misoginistic programmers with toxic world views about oppressing women) for free, why can't little Timmy get some support?
[QUOTE=Terminutter;46613245]...They didn't really draw any conclusions other than girls using more complex triggers in this case....[/QUOTE]
I thought their theory, if not conclusion, was clear. Girls, when taught with a method that leverages their interests, do well. In fact, they did better than boys taught the same way.
Again, this is NOT about who is the better programmer. It's about how to best get girls into programming. You will not have many expert women programmers if you can't get many girls to even start to learn it.
What I think keeps current programmers from understanding this is the 'if it worked for me then it's good enough for you' attitude. There's nothing wrong with using different approaches for different people. If we know girls respond well to certain types of teaching and we deliberately choose to ignore that, then we are deliberately limiting their options even before they have a chance to see if it's something they are interested in doing.
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