[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35342023]Kids shouldn't be able to have sex until at least 16, it's just wrong. Parents should take more responsibility for their children.[/QUOTE]
Because discrimination of children has been so effective throughout history, right?
[QUOTE=Knuffelbeer;35343922]Her twitter account is @Jeschatjee
Her last tweet was : Ik hield van jullie echt maar het is telaat ! Doegg xx
Translated
I loved all you guys buts its to late byee xx[/QUOTE]
This is either a mental disorder or an attention whore. Quite likely the first.
Who would announce their death in such a way? It seems as if she thinks it's a completely normal thing, judging by the style she typed this in.
[editline]29th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;35344166]I vouch for this, primary and high schools have turned to shit after this whole, no child left behind shit took off. I even heard principals say that giving bad grades to students hurts their self-esteem so the next year they made the course easier to follow and now they are fucking stupid.
I am in college and even I am affected by this shit, we are getting taught fucking Primary school shit, like division and multiplication.
I am following a programming course, I should be taught algebra and trigonometry but "That is too hard for some of the students to follow" are you fucking kidding me?[/QUOTE]
What school do you go to? (Dutch, by the way)
[QUOTE=Bragdras;35344092]So it mostly comes down to learning to take a punch, as I said, to grow a pair.[/QUOTE]
as soon as you tell someone else how they SHOULD be feeling you are a narcissistic idiot whom has no capacity for proper empathy. you do not know what she was going through, and don't pretend like you do.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;35344166]I vouch for this, primary and high schools have turned to shit after this whole, no child left behind shit took off. I even heard principals say that giving bad grades to students hurts their self-esteem so the next year they made the course easier to follow and now they are fucking stupid.
I am in college and even I am affected by this shit, we are getting taught fucking Primary school shit, like division and multiplication.
I am following a programming course, I should be taught algebra and trigonometry but "That is too hard for some of the students to follow" are you fucking kidding me?[/QUOTE]
Woah, sounds exactly like my study/class, what school do you go to? (Ik ben Nederlands wie weet kennen we elkaar :v:)
[QUOTE=Jessey;35344927]Woah, sounds exactly like my study/class, what school do you go to? (Ik ben Nederlands wie weet kennen we elkaar :v:)[/QUOTE]
What school do you go to?
[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35342023]Kids shouldn't be able to have sex until at least 16,[B] it's just wrong.[/B] Parents should take more responsibility for their children.[/QUOTE]
great argument
[QUOTE=Trogdon;35344898]as soon as you tell someone else how they SHOULD be feeling you are a narcissistic idiot whom has no capacity for proper empathy. you do not know what she was going through, and don't pretend like you do.[/QUOTE]
Yeah well then everyone has a reason to do everything in the world, good or bad alike.
Then I can just go "Why are you telling me I shouldn't tell someone how to feel else I'm an idiot? You're the one telling me how to feel to her!" so on and so forth in full circle, it's silly.
[QUOTE=Natrox;35344969]What school do you go to?[/QUOTE]
ROC A12 in Ede
[QUOTE=Jessey;35345036]ROC A12 in Ede[/QUOTE]
Should have gone to IGAD in Breda. Great school.
It's not exactly close to Ede of course, but then again, I am from Amersfoort myself.
[QUOTE=Bragdras;35345021]Yeah well then everyone has a reason to do everything in the world, good or bad alike.
Then I can just go "Why are you telling me I shouldn't tell someone how to feel else I'm an idiot? You're the one telling me how to feel to her!" so on and so forth in full circle, it's silly.[/QUOTE]
i'm not telling you how to feel, i'm telling you that you lack the ability to understand her situation and feel that you can apply your thoughts towards her. people obviously have a reason to do everything, otherwise why would they do it?
you are failing to recognize that she was unstable. she was incapable of just "growing a pair" in this situation due to her being disenfranchised from reality. being on this list was clearly detrimental enough to her to cause her to take her own life, and you should acknowledge it. Why should she be reprimanded, she is clearly the target of bullying.
If anyone should be reprimanded it should obviously be the boys whom created this list here. in what way is this acceptable, even if it did not cause the suicide? lists like this are caustic to the self-schemas of young adults, especially considering their current level of social development. Applied at a larger issue we could criticize the gender stereotype that women are the only ones that can be sluts (noticeable by an absence of a list such as this existing for boys), but we do not have to go there.
you are trying to argue your way out of it by using circular reasons (albeit poorly executed). me calling you an idiot isn't telling you how you should feel, you are just incapable of being empathic towards a situation and mental condition you clearly don't understand.
basically my point is don't ever tell someone to grow a pair, you don't understand the situation. there is no way you can entirely understand someone's actions unless you ARE them, regardless if they have a mental condition or not (in this case that adds a huge reason to her mental instability).
[QUOTE=Natrox;35345099]Should have gone to IGAD in Breda. Great school.
It's not exactly close to Ede of course, but then again, I am from Amersfoort myself.[/QUOTE]
Friend of mine did this had a 4 hour trip going to and back, he quit the study after 2 weeks. I'm not being supported by the government yet that my train is free either.
Maybe when I start HBO. =)
Bad way to go. And way too early. RIP
[editline]29th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35342023]Kids shouldn't be able to have sex until at least 16, it's just wrong.[/QUOTE]
Excuse me.. wrong?
[QUOTE=Jessey;35344927]Woah, sounds exactly like my study/class, what school do you go to? (Ik ben Nederlands wie weet kennen we elkaar :v:)[/QUOTE]
I go to Grafisch Lyceum Rotterdam studying Game Development. Apart from the retarded theory lessons the whole course is great, currently an intern.
Anyhow, I shape up my trigonometry and algebra myself here: [url]http://www.khanacademy.org/[/url]
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;35341604]So? That doesn't mean you kill yourself, I was bullied in high school for 3 years straight.
I can tell you that does more to you then being put on a stupid list.[/QUOTE]
Not everyone is as resilient.
I agree this should've been avoided, but it's hard to judge people for something they did in an irrational emotional state of mind.
Oh great here we go
[QUOTE=Trogdon;35345109]i'm not telling you how to feel, i'm telling you that you lack the ability to understand her situation and feel that you can apply your thoughts towards her. people obviously have a reason to do everything, otherwise why would they do it?[/quote]
Great
[quote]you are failing to recognize that she was unstable. she was incapable of just "growing a pair" in this situation due to her being disenfranchised from reality. being on this list was clearly detrimental enough to her to cause her to take her own life, and you should acknowledge it. Why should she be reprimanded, she is clearly the target of bullying.[/quote]
And I'm thinking the reason she's incapable of dealing with it / is "disfranchised from reality" was because kids are not raised to deal with negativity/problems anymore, she was on the list, and she killed herself because she couldn't react accordingly to negativity. Sure I acknowledge it was detrimental to her, I also ackowledge it wasn't her fault, I'm just saying because she, liky many young people these last few years, just can't react accordingly to something negative, cause they've never been accustomed to react accordingly to it, so when something that bothers them a lot actually happens, this happens, over the top decision.
Not saying she should be reprimanded, just saying wrong actions were taken.
If anyone should be reprimanded it should obviously be the boys whom created this list here. in what way is this acceptable, even if it did not cause the suicide? lists like this are caustic to the self-schemas of young adults, especially considering their current level of social development. Applied at a larger issue we could criticize the gender stereotype that women are the only ones that can be sluts (noticeable by an absence of a list such as this existing for boys), but we do not have to go there.
[quote]you are trying to argue your way out of it by using circular reasons (albeit poorly executed). me calling you an idiot isn't telling you how you should feel, you are just incapable of being empathic towards a situation and mental condition you clearly don't understand.
It's just rewording the phrase, you can't call me an idiot because you don't know what makes me think that way to her, it's very very circular and stupid, hence why I'm not delving into it, and it was just an example, not a way to "argue my way out".
[quote]basically my point is don't ever tell someone to grow a pair, you don't understand the situation. there is no way you can entirely understand someone's actions unless you ARE them, regardless if they have a mental condition or not (in this case that adds a huge reason to her mental instability).[/QUOTE]
That's even more circular, then the bullies who put her name on the list shouldn't be blamed for their actions, since no one can entirely understand their action to put her name on the list right?
So no, in my opinion, while the bullies certainly shouldn't have done what they have, she should have been able to deal with it accordingly, killing herself was not acting accordingly.
Yeah, I get it, mental condition, laaaadiiidaah she can't deal with it accordingly because she has mental condition, if that's what you're trying to tell then whatever, we can go on prancing about this forever.
[QUOTE=Jessey;35345036]ROC A12 in Ede[/QUOTE]
LOL rubbish school.
Go to Igad after finishing that though. It's fantastic.
She was found off a road? The article doesn't really state what kind of wounds and crap she has, but I personally think the location is a bit weird. Just my two cents.
[editline]29th March 2012[/editline]
But yeah, real-life is not like CSI
[QUOTE=Bragdras;35345454]And I'm thinking the reason she's incapable of dealing with it / is "disfranchised from reality" was because kids are not raised to deal with negativity/problems anymore, she was on the list, and she killed herself because she couldn't react accordingly to negativity.[/QUOTE]
you are attributing a mental condition with social problem. they are two entirely unrelated issues. you have made it apparent you don't understand mental conditions, so why are you even discussing this at all.
Appearently she hung herself but had no past of psychological problems.
[QUOTE=Stormcharger;35341856]Why shouldnt you have sex at that age if you want to? As long as its with people around the same age I dont really see too much wrong with it.[/QUOTE]
Because kids that age aren't mature enough to emotionally handle intimacy. This story is an example and there are many more. Get out of puberty first. O.o
[QUOTE=_NewBee;35345613]Appearently she hung herself but had no past of psychological problems.[/QUOTE]
no reported psychological problems =/= no psychological problems
[QUOTE=lucasjr5;35345656]Because kids that age aren't mature enough to emotionally handle intimacy. This story is an example and there are many more. Get out of puberty first. O.o[/QUOTE]
Look at this guy, he is an expert on child development.
You know there is a reason why children play doctor with each other right? It's because you are interested into the other sex pretty much as soon as you are born.
Sorry but you're doing it too now.
I wasn't interested in girls till i was 11 or something. I thought it was normal to dislike girls.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;35345729]Look at this guy, he is an expert on child development.
You know there is a reason why children play doctor with each other right? It's because you are interested into the other sex pretty much as soon as you are born.[/QUOTE]
that is if you take a freudian approach yes, but with neo-freudian theory a more social stance is taken. either way i don't agree with him, but not on freudian grounds (lived in a repressed society sexually, biasing his views towards sex).
I see no problem, we're a world with one less over-dramatic annoying fucktard.
[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;35345729]Look at this guy, he is an expert on child development.
You know there is a reason why children play doctor with each other right? It's because you are interested into the other sex pretty much as soon as you are born.[/QUOTE]
Not an expert but probably more of an expert than you. Psychology major in college and I have taken several adolescent development courses. Children make impulsive and often bad decisions, and even though their bodies are capable of sex at age 13, they are usually not mentally prepared to handle the emotions involved with sexual activity.
Also the younger you are when you first have sex statistically puts the child at greater risk for STDs, pregnancy, number of lifetime sexual partners, and in the case of girls, the age difference between the girl and her first time partner.
Source: [url]http://www.youthdevelopment.org/download/sex.pdf[/url]
Go ahead and vote dumb all you 13 year olds I don't care. :D Don't let facts stand in the way of your opinions.
okay you have taken these courses, and although they are not mentally prepared to handle the (societally influenced) ramifications of sex, does not mean that they cannot engage in it or that we should attempt to police it. on average kids might not be mentally mature enough to engage in it, but still there will be outliers, and thus we should not make decisions regarding their lives without understanding their circumstances.
you are letting facts get in the way of your opinions, but taking one psychology study and applying it to all young sexual situations, which isn't fair.
[QUOTE=Trogdon;35345829]that is if you take a freudian approach yes, but with neo-freudian theory a more social stance is taken. either way i don't agree with him, but not on freudian grounds (lived in a repressed society sexually, biasing his views towards sex).[/QUOTE]
That could be true but you don't have enough information to know that about me. I don't think teens shouldn't have sex, I think they should be mentally ready to handle sex and many are not. The age for each teen is different on how ready they are for sex physically and mentally but if I had to pick an age, 15 is a lot better than 12-13. There are many reasons, but I don't really have any more time to look more sources to back myself up at the moment.
Edit: Agree to the above post. Not saying take away kids freedoms or anything, just saying facts support that it is HEALTHIER to wait a few years longer than 12 or 13. The younger you are when you first have sex, the more at risk you are statistically(less so in the UK then the US). Not trying to police anything, that isn't the job of psychologists (which I am not). Their job is to study the behavior and report what was found.
[QUOTE=lucasjr5;35346000]That could be true but you don't have enough information to know that about me. I don't think teens shouldn't have sex, I think they should be mentally ready to handle sex and many are not. The age for each teen is different on how ready they are for sex physically and mentally but if I had to pick an age, 15 is a lot better than 12-13. There are many reasons, but I don't really have any more time to look more sources to back myself up at the moment.[/QUOTE]
so what are you going to do about them having sex that young
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