13 year old Dutch girl kills herself over "Banga list" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=lucasjr5;35346000]That could be true but you don't have enough information to know that about me. I don't think teens shouldn't have sex, I think they should be mentally ready to handle sex and many are not. The age for each teen is different on how ready they are for sex physically and mentally but if I had to pick an age, 15 is a lot better than 12-13. There are many reasons, but I don't really have any more time to look more sources to back myself up at the moment.[/QUOTE] Define mentally ready, intercourse is a primal instinct to breed. I don't see how you can say that you have to mentally ready.

[QUOTE=Shitbird;35341831]You embarassing, clueless bunch of fuckwits.[/QUOTE] You and thisispain just made my dick hard. This should be titles for a few select people in this thread.

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;35346056]Define mentally ready, intercourse is a primal instinct to breed. I don't see how you can say that you have to mentally ready.[/QUOTE] mentally ready in his case refers to the understanding of the social consequences of having sex. implications such as (perceived) love, how other people are going to handle it, and other social things like that. sex is no longer about breeding, that is why contraception exists. he is saying that teens should be mentally ready of the complications that arise from sex before they dive in and just do it. that when you are older you are better able to understand the consequences and what will happen by having sex. with that i agree with him, that kids should be mentally ready, but that is wishful thinking. i think we should educate developing teens on the social and physical implications of sex, and then they could "mature" at an earlier age.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;35346038]so what are you going to do about them having sex that young[/QUOTE] Do? Nothing can be done except spreading information which is already being done. Public school sex education (partially, and more information in general) has DRASTICALLY cut down the amount of teen pregnancies from 10-20 years ago and the average age for first having sex has gone up by a good amount in the last decade or so. The key really is parents. Better parents and better family situations decrease chance of unintended pregnancies and stds by a lot (forgive me for not hunting down the exact numbers). But there will always be shitty parents out there who just don't care what their kid is doing and don't teach their child what he/she needs to know.

alright then i now understand where you are coming from. i agree with you on the parents issue as well, they are definitely the key role. i guess where i disagree with you is on the age thing, because it's hard to pinpoint (even with studies) exactly when the maturity comes. i'd just say that immature people should not have sex. there are situations in which 12 and 13 year olds can have sex, so we shouldn't do anything punishment-wise or shaming towards them.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;35346094]mentally ready in his case refers to the understanding of the social consequences of having sex. implications such as (perceived) love, how other people are going to handle it, and other social things like that. sex is no longer about breeding, that is why contraception exists. he is saying that teens should be mentally ready of the complications that arise from sex before they dive in and just do it. that when you are older you are better able to understand the consequences and what will happen by having sex. with that i agree with him, that kids should be mentally ready, but that is wishful thinking. i think we should educate developing teens on the social and physical implications of sex, and then they could "mature" at an earlier age.[/QUOTE] Doesn't matter that it's "no longer" about breeding, the instinct and urge are still there.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;35345665]no reported psychological problems =/= no psychological problems[/QUOTE] It doesnt = psychological problems either.

true, the instinct and urge are still there, but without proper knowledge they are probably better off not engaging in the act.

[QUOTE=Trogdon;35346094] with that i agree with him, that kids should be mentally ready, but that is wishful thinking. i think we should educate developing teens on the social and physical implications of sex, and then they could "mature" at an earlier age.[/QUOTE] teaching children about sex when they're already going through puberty is a terrible idea

[QUOTE=Sickle;35346189]It doesnt = psychological problems either.[/QUOTE] but it's likely that it does given the suicide, and that correlationally the majority of suicides are by people with psychological problems. suicide is not often a rationally chosen act. [editline]29th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Sanius;35346211]teaching children about sex when they're already going through puberty is a terrible idea[/QUOTE] before puberty then?

[QUOTE=FalconKrunch;35346184]Doesn't matter that it's "no longer" about breeding, the instinct and urge are still there.[/QUOTE] Then how do you explain people not fucking everything that moves? Sure it's instinct but developed brains can overcome their urges if they choose to. It's stupid to just count every sexual act up to urges and justify everything people do sexually because it's their instinct. You seem to think humans are exactly like animals but in most cases that just isn't true. Humans can make choices that go against their urges and instinct because it is healthier and they see the big picture. [editline]29th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Trogdon;35346168]alright then i now understand where you are coming from. i agree with you on the parents issue as well, they are definitely the key role. i guess where i disagree with you is on the age thing, because it's hard to pinpoint (even with studies) exactly when the maturity comes. i'd just say that immature people should not have sex. there are situations in which 12 and 13 year olds can have sex, so we shouldn't do anything punishment-wise or shaming towards them.[/QUOTE] I said earlier that the age is different for every child, but there are ages that are "statistically safer" and that is what I am referring to.

[QUOTE=Stormcharger;35341856]Why shouldnt you have sex at that age if you want to? As long as its with people around the same age I dont really see too much wrong with it.[/QUOTE] never had sex right here

Just have to learn to ignore all the shit you hear and not give a fuck.

[QUOTE=Bragdras;35345454]kids are not raised to deal with negativity/problems anymore[/QUOTE] who the fuck made you an expert on how people raise kids?

[QUOTE=Kalibos;35343772]can you rationalize that? our bodies are ready for sex quite early[/QUOTE] Our bodies are yes, however mentally, most children are not, it also causes alot of problems, such as pregnency, having to fund that child at such a young age, family complications. Sex is better looked at as a form of commitment than a soley a form of pleasure. [editline]29th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;35348931]who the fuck made you an expert on how people raise kids?[/QUOTE] Who gave you the right to say that he does not have the right to have his opinion? Maybe he's a person of experience.

[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35348999]it also causes alot of problems, such as pregnency, having to fund that child at such a young age, family complications. [/QUOTE] uh, "pregnency", is something you can control. you know, birth control?

[QUOTE=thisispain;35349012]uh, "pregnency", is something you can control. you know, birth control?[/QUOTE] If you think life is that simple you may need a touch of reality. Kids at that age don't really consider such things as protection or do not have the avaliablity to do so. I should also note, sex at a young age really depends on the maturity of the people involved.

[QUOTE=SilverKnight;35349050]If you think life is that simple you may need a touch of reality. Kids at that age don't really consider such things as protection or do not have the avaliablity to do so.[/QUOTE] a touch of reality... kids aren't that stupid, they understand basic concepts as long as their parents teach them properly. that's why abstinence doesn't work and sex-positive teaching does. [editline]29th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=SilverKnight;35348999] Who gave you the right to say that he does not have the right to have his opinion? Maybe he's a person of experience.[/QUOTE] a person of experience wouldn't make a crazy generalization about all childeren.

most parents can't be expected to teach their children about sex. that's why we need to fix the way sex ed is taught and ban teaching abstinence

[QUOTE=Trogdon;35346215]but it's likely that it does given the suicide, and that correlationally the majority of suicides are by people with psychological problems. suicide is not often a rationally chosen act.[/QUOTE] It's also likely that the suicide was one of those, changed-mind-at-last-second-but-died-anyway suicides.

[QUOTE=lucasjr5;35345923]Children make impulsive and often bad decisions,[/QUOTE] so do adults [QUOTE=lucasjr5;35345923]and even though their bodies are capable of sex at age 13, they are usually not mentally prepared to handle the emotions involved with sexual activity.[/QUOTE] you haven't rationalized that. you've only said "they shouldn't because they aren't ready." [I]Why[/I] aren't they ready? What differentiates the kids of today from the kids of fifty thousand years ago when pubescent sex (with partners of all ages, most often much older) was the norm? [QUOTE=lucasjr5;35345923]Also the younger you are when you first have sex statistically puts the child at greater risk for STDs, pregnancy, number of lifetime sexual partners, and in the case of girls, the age difference between the girl and her first time partner. Source: [url]http://www.youthdevelopment.org/download/sex.pdf[/url][/QUOTE] indeed, but all a result of poor sex education. [QUOTE=lucasjr5;35345923]Go ahead and vote dumb all you 13 year olds I don't care. :D Don't let facts stand in the way of your opinions.[/QUOTE] real mature bradley!

[QUOTE=runtime;35346344]never had sex right here[/QUOTE] Yea I have? Although I dont see why that would make my opinion any more or less wrong.

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;35341939]uh, not to be insensitive but yes it does[/QUOTE] It is way beyond insensitive and, to be honest, quite disgusting. There are many mental disorders in existence and only a few have an effect on general intelligence. Most of them are primarily due to portions of the brain malfunctioning, chemical imbalances, etc. Before branding all people with mental disorders as idiots simply for having these disorders, you should do a little bit of research.