Mandelson insists Britain WILL join the Euro. - Polidicks

I don't want to use the EURO. I call my self English or British, not European....

I'm so going to bump this thread in a few years when Britain adopts the Euro (unless the thread is deleted).

YES! My huge pile of Euro small change will finally be worth something!

[QUOTE=decilling;20470498]I don't want to use the EURO. I call my self English or British, not European....[/QUOTE] Brilliant, it's not like that attitude caused several hundred years of war and proliferated two of the largest and most destructive wars mankind has ever seen, and that europe was essentially set back 40 years by one. it's like people don't actually understand why the EU exists.

[QUOTE=Arsonist;20458799]I don't want to join the euro because my keyboard only has £ and $[/QUOTE] Try Alt Gr + 4.

[QUOTE=G-foxisus;20470106]England is weird. They are always the outsiders of the EU. They drive on the wrong side of the road, don't use the Euro, steering wheel is on the other side inb4 English forum rage[/QUOTE] England is fine rest of the world is wierd

Here, have a practical reason for using the Pound over the Euro. For the visually impared it is easier to tell Pound coins apart at a glance or by touch than the Euro.

I don't think this will happen.

I doubt it will happen aswell, why is mandelson so batshit crazy?

[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;20462502]Really?[/QUOTE] Yes, really. [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;20462502]That sounds pretty all or nothing to me.[/QUOTE] Then you have a rather warped view of what it means. How does the gradual loss of national identity due to a general poor attitude constitute as 'all or nothing'? 'All or nothing' would imply that we either keep the pound or we do away with everything unique to this country entirely. At no point in any of my posts have I suggested the latter. [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;20462502]Lol that's insultng. No really, that's really insulting to france and germany. It's insulting and it's total bullshit and you know it. You're pulling it out of your ass, nevermind the fact that I seriously doubt you were alive when that happened.[/QUOTE] You must be easily offended then. How exactly is thinking that German was more unique with the Deutschmark offensive in [b]any[/b] way? Please, I would love to know. Also, I was alive when half of Europe was stuck behind an Iron Curtain. Stop accusing me of pulling stuff out of my ass when you can't even put together an argument without spouting incorrect assumptions. [QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;20462502]I'd like you to elaborate on that to me, ok? Explain to me how France has, since switching to the Euro, is now on a "rapid spiral" to becoming become a colorless cultural wasteland totally devoid of national identity. Go into detail about that, if you will.[/QUOTE] Jesus Christ, and you had the gall to call me a 'dolt'. Have you actually read and taken in [b]anything[/b] I have said? My point about the "rapid spiral" was nothing to do with France and will simply describing what can happen if people such as yourself and A.C.I.D. completely disregard the countries heritage. Either way, it doesn't matter. The majority of the UK agree with me - hence why we still use the Pound.

Completely disregarding our countries heritage? Methinks your exaggerating here slightly. To me destroying a countries heritage would destroying our castles, Buckingham place and other places of real and substantial national pride and heritage. Not losing a currency that has been in place for what? 50 years or so?

The pound isn't exactly British Heritage, so anyone using that arguement has no ammunition.

Sterling actually feels like money to me. I don't know what it is about it but if I have Euros to spend it doesn't feel like i'm spending money, whereas the Sterling does.

[QUOTE=Reborn9;20470458]Guys joining the Eurozone would be great for Britain, the pound's worth is almost the same as the Euro's, and if the United Kingdom does so it'll have great long-term benefits. For example, it'd greatly improve trade. Also nationalism is a stupid superstition of the past, just like religion. Move on, ye prats.[/QUOTE] It'd also remove the ability to do what we want with out economic policies meaning that someone in Brussels just magically decides what we do just because some other country might be having a shit time.

[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;20471782]Completely disregarding our countries heritage? Methinks your exaggerating here slightly. To me destroying a countries heritage would destroying our castles, Buckingham place and other places of real and substantial national pride and heritage. Not losing a currency that has been in place for what? 50 years or so?[/QUOTE] 50 years? Jesus Christ... Even without doing research it doesn't take a historical genius to figure out that the pound has been used for [b]much[/b] longer than that. According to what you are saying, during WWI and WWII we were using some other form of currency. Right. Allow me to enlighten you: "There is some uncertainty as to the origin of the term "pound sterling". Some sources say it dates back to Anglo-Saxon times, when coins called sterlings were minted from silver; 240 of these sterlings weighed one pound, and large payments came to be made in "pounds of sterlings".[11] Other references, including the Oxford English Dictionary, say a sterling was a silver penny used in England by the Normans, and date the term to around 1300." So, the Pound has been around since the 1300's at least. Don't worry, you're only 660 years out.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=invBjPmY8iE[/media] "Look at all that pink and purple" "Our money sure is gay."

[QUOTE=David29;20472016]50 years? Jesus Christ... Even without doing research it doesn't take a historical genius to figure out that the pound has been used for [b]much[/b] longer than that. According to what you are saying, during WWI and WWII we were using some other form of currency. Right. Allow me to enlighten you: "There is some uncertainty as to the origin of the term "pound sterling". Some sources say it dates back to Anglo-Saxon times, when coins called sterlings were minted from silver; 240 of these sterlings weighed one pound, and large payments came to be made in "pounds of sterlings".[11] Other references, including the Oxford English Dictionary, say a sterling was a silver penny used in England by the Normans, and date the term to around 1300." So, the Pound has been around since the 1300's at least. Don't worry, you're only 660 years out.[/QUOTE] 50 years in its current form. I don't see many 1/2 pennys around any more do you?

[QUOTE=G-foxisus;20470106]England is weird. They are always the outsiders of the EU. They drive on the wrong side of the road, don't use the Euro, steering wheel is on the other side inb4 English forum rage[/QUOTE] The English drive on the correct side of the road.

So infact our current currency is already 'disregarding of our countries heritage'.

[QUOTE=David29;20472016]50 years? Jesus Christ... Even without doing research it doesn't take a historical genius to figure out that the pound has been used for [B]much[/B] longer than that. According to what you are saying, during WWI and WWII we were using some other form of currency. Right. Allow me to enlighten you: "There is some uncertainty as to the origin of the term "pound sterling". Some sources say it dates back to Anglo-Saxon times, when coins called sterlings were minted from silver; 240 of these sterlings weighed one pound, and large payments came to be made in "pounds of sterlings".[11] Other references, including the Oxford English Dictionary, say a sterling was a silver penny used in England by the Normans, and date the term to around 1300." So, the Pound has been around since the 1300's at least. Don't worry, you're only 660 years out.[/QUOTE] ahahaha no the Pound Sterling as we commonly know it has only been around for 50 or so years. Don't try to pull that "BUT THERE WAS A COIN CALLED THE STERLING IN THE 1300'S" shit

The EU is stupid anyway, yes, let's allow thousands of immigrants into the country just like that and let them take up all the jobs and overpopulate the country. :downs:

Fancy doing the jobs that immigrants do? [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00r3qyw/The_Day_the_Immigrants_Left/[/url] Go for it mate.

[QUOTE=A.C.I.D;20472183]50 years in its current form. I don't see many 1/2 pennys around any more do you?[/QUOTE] Things change. That doesn't make them any less important. The last time someone was imprisoned in the Tower of London was in 1952. Does that fact that it stopped being used as a prison 58 years ago mean it should be any less of an icon? You really are grasping at straws if you are trying to base your argument on the change of the penny system. [QUOTE=Taggart;20472202]ahahaha no the Pound Sterling as we commonly know it has only been around for 50 or so years. Don't try to pull that "BUT THERE WAS A COIN CALLED THE STERLING IN THE 1300'S" shit[/QUOTE] Did you read any of the information I put in my previous post? The current pound system is based off the system used back then, and is essentially an evolved version of it. There have been changes, but the overall system remains the same. What you are saying is that nothing is the same if it goes through any sort of change. Will you have a completely new identity tomorrow just because you are a day older? I think not.

[QUOTE=David29;20472269]Things change. That doesn't make them any less important. The last time someone was imprisoned in the Tower of London was in 1952. Does that fact that it stopped being used as a prison 58 years ago mean it should be any less of an icon? You really are grasping at straws if you are trying to base your argument on the change of the penny system.[/QUOTE] Just like you are at saying that a coin in the 1300s is the EXACT SAME GODDAMN CURRENCY as we use today

[QUOTE=David29;20472269]Things change. That doesn't make them any less important. The last time someone was imprisoned in the Tower of London was in 1952. Does that fact that it stopped being used as a prison 58 years ago mean it should be any less of an icon? You really are grasping at straws if you are trying to base your argument on the change of the penny system.[/QUOTE] And your really grasping and straws if you think that the abolition of the half-penny was the only change in the system. And once again your comparing a symbol of huge national pride and heritage to a bloody currency. I would never agree to losing the Tower of London. A currency that isn't doing so well at the moment and puts our businesses at a disadvantage when trading with Europe on the other hand I have no problem with losing.

[QUOTE=Taggart;20472303]Just like you are at saying that a coin in the 1300s is the EXACT SAME GODDAMN CURRENCY as we use today[/QUOTE] Well it's a damn god job I didn't say that then, isn't it? [QUOTE=A.C.I.D;20472320]And your really grasping and straws if you think that the abolition of the half-penny was the only change in the system. And once again your comparing a symbol of huge national pride and heritage to a bloody currency. I would never agree to losing the Tower of London. A currency that isn't doing so well at the moment and puts our businesses at a disadvantage when trading with Europe on the other hand I have no problem with losing.[/QUOTE] I'm getting tired off people putting words into my mouth. Quote me where I said it was the only change? I even acknowledged in my previous post that the Pound has gone through changes. What you can't seem to grasp is that everything goes through changes, but that shouldn't change it's significance. I wonder if Germany should get rid of the Reichstag because it had to be practically rebuilt multiple times during the 20th century (first after the Reichstag fire, then after the Battle of Berlin)? And please explain to me why a currency cannot be an icon of national pride and heritage, as it has proven it is? Ps. The Pound Sterling is still stronger than the Euro.

[QUOTE=David29;20472482]Well it's a damn god job I didn't say that then, isn't it? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=David29]So, the Pound has been around since the 1300's at least. Don't worry, you're only 660 years out.[/quote] yeah okay

[QUOTE=Taggart;20472571]yeah okay[/QUOTE] Yes, because that was me saying the Pound hasn't changed, right? I have been around since 1989 and I, obviously, have changed a lot. Does that mean that 5 year old David was a completely different person to 10 year old David? No. Go figure.

They can shove their damn euro where the sun don't shine. The day this country starts using euro is the day i rage quit.

[QUOTE=David29;20472269]Things change. That doesn't make them any less important. The last time someone was imprisoned in the Tower of London was in 1952. Does that fact that it stopped being used as a prison 58 years ago mean it should be any less of an icon? You really are grasping at straws if you are trying to base your argument on the change of the penny system. Did you read any of the information I put in my previous post? The current pound system is based off the system used back then, and is essentially an evolved version of it. There have been changes, but the overall system remains the same. What you are saying is that nothing is the same if it goes through any sort of change. Will you have a completely new identity tomorrow just because you are a day older? I think not.[/QUOTE] Yes, definately, it's based on a previous system, thus this means that they are EXACTLY THE SAME. The pound is fucking meaningless, it's a representation of worth. Changing it for a different looking coin is fucking meaningless as well. The advantages of changing over are staggering.