Mandelson insists Britain WILL join the Euro. - Polidicks

Fuck the euro, I'm staying with my quid. To be honest, I probably wouldn't even bother getting used to it.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;20470822]Brilliant, it's not like that attitude caused several hundred years of war and proliferated two of the largest and most destructive wars mankind has ever seen, and that europe was essentially set back 40 years by one. it's like people don't actually understand why the EU exists.[/QUOTE] MHM between 1945 and 1957 there were wars all over the shop thank God the EU stepped in and stopped all those wars [editline]06:22PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BrokenSanity;20471441]Here, have a practical reason for using the Pound over the Euro. For the visually impared it is easier to tell Pound coins apart at a glance or by touch than the Euro.[/QUOTE] Also Euros look shit. [editline]06:24PM[/editline] [QUOTE=A.C.I.D;20471782]Not losing a currency that has been in place for what? 50 years or so?[/QUOTE] ... Are you dense?

It doesn't matter anyway. Labour won't survive the next election.

I don't get how people are arguing over whether it's a part of our heritage or not. Most people think it is, therefore it is. That's how heritage works. It isn't a fucking science.

[QUOTE=Acezorz;20455744]This really isn't doing them any favours for the election campaign if it is true.[/QUOTE] The tories have this no question anyway. I really don't think Brown would be voted in again, he wasnt voted in the first time. and besides, i like sterling. it's rad.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;20475979]I don't get how people are arguing over whether it's a part of our heritage or not. Most people think it is, therefore it is. That's how heritage works. It isn't a fucking science.[/QUOTE] Yay, somebody with common sense.

[QUOTE=Zestence;20475053]I kind of like the euro because now I no longer need to exchange money when I go abroad, and it's easier to compare hotel prices etc. with a single currency, but holy shit if it didn't make prices go up. Some things actually cost >100% more than they did before, like car mechanics pretty much translated 50 Finnish marks an hour to 50 euros an hour....and one euro is almost 6 Finnish marks. I'd say stick to the pound if you don't mind the little things when traveling.[/QUOTE] Economics 101: Yeah and the difference just vanished? No, the car mechanics make more. Now the other people want more salary, hence inflation, prices and salaries go up. [editline]06:39PM[/editline] [QUOTE=lazyguy;20475862]MHM between 1945 and 1957 there were wars all over the shop thank God the EU stepped in and stopped all those wars[/QUOTE] Yes, I wonder too why a treaty about coal and steel cooperation didn't stop wars. [editline]06:42PM[/editline] [QUOTE=radioactive;20474973]The pro of British money is that you can tell the differece between types of coins, unlike the Euros which all look the same,[/QUOTE] Not if you are not totally blind. And if you were, you can feel it. Horizontal ring in 2c, sawtooth-pattern in 10c, flowerish-edges in 20c, etc. [editline]06:43PM[/editline] [QUOTE=EDDY TT;20473036][url=http://www.xe.com/]Compared to the pound it is.[/url] Also the Euro was a bad idea from the start.[/QUOTE] Comparasion doesn't mean shit, if Euro has a 30% difference, is Japan in utter shit if the difference there is 100-fold?

[QUOTE=lazyguy;20475862]MHM between 1945 and 1957 there were wars all over the shop thank God the EU stepped in and stopped all those wars [editline]06:22PM[/editline] Also Euros look shit. [editline]06:24PM[/editline] ... Are you dense?[/QUOTE] Good reply bro. I really have no idea how to counter this flawless argument that you presented me with.

[QUOTE=Taggart;20472974]No I'm not, because you're talking absolute shite. The Pound is not heritage, no-one gives a shit about it for heritage. We give a shit about it because it sets us apart from the rest of the EU.[/QUOTE] What the fuck is it with people like you trying to be special and different, even if it is bad for them? If it'll improve the economic situation i don't see why it shouldn't happen. Idiots like you should consider the long term benefits to this, instead of fucking around priding themselves in shit that's meaningless, and detrimental to the good of the people. The British public needs to shed its idiotic pride and accept the fact that integration is inevitable, and the sooner it is done the better for us all.

Mandelson's a corrupt, waste of space. I wouldn't take anything he says seriously.

[QUOTE=lazyguy;20475862]MHM between 1945 and 1957 there were wars all over the shop thank God the EU stepped in and stopped all those wars [editline]06:22PM[/editline] Also Euros look shit. [editline]06:24PM[/editline] ... Are you dense?[/QUOTE] There were wars all over the shop in Europe? Where? The EU was created with the intention of preventing war through interlinked economies and resources, don't even try and argue this point.

[QUOTE=Reborn9;20476876]What the fuck is it with people like you trying to be special and different, even if it is bad for them? If it'll improve the economic situation i don't see why it shouldn't happen. Idiots like you should consider the long term benefits to this, instead of fucking around priding themselves in shit that's meaningless, and detrimental to the good of the people. The British public needs to shed its idiotic pride and accept the fact that integration is inevitable, and the sooner it is done the better for us all.[/QUOTE] As much as I am going to regret this...; In his defence, you really haven't actually bothered to read his posts have you? He's actually arguing the very same point that you are. Think twice before raging at people, because you may well be raging at people on your own side. Also, are you British? If not, which from the sounds of it you aren't, you don't really have a place to tell us what to do.

ITT: British people wanting to keep failing currency because it is British.

[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;20477823]ITT: British people wanting to keep failing currency because it is British.[/QUOTE] Heh, you think the pound is failing.

[QUOTE=David29;20475909]It doesn't matter anyway. Labour won't survive the next election.[/QUOTE] Well, the Tories' lead has dropped to 2 points. It looks like there'll be a hung parliament (read: the Lib Dems will be whores and let Labour remain in power). [editline]08:02PM[/editline] [QUOTE=David29;20474675]So the whole referendum on the Euro was actually fixed and the majority who voted to keep the pound doesn't actually exist? Ok.[/QUOTE] Of course it doesn't! It's just a computer simulation, like those Irish guys who didn't want to ratify the Lisbon Treaty, or those anti-ID card people in the Lords!

[QUOTE=lazyguy;20477860]Well, the Tories' lead has dropped to 2 points. It looks like there'll be a hung parliament (read: the Lib Dems will be whores and let Labour remain in power). [/QUOTE] True, but the nice thing about Labour is that they can't seem to go for more than two weeks without some sort of fuck up. Mandelson being the latest example.

[QUOTE=Chippay;20462377]lazyguy you are really bad at arguing sorry :)[/QUOTE] you're the one who calls people idiots whenever you argue, and doesn't explain why you're even worse than him

[QUOTE=The_Lizard_Xing;20477823]ITT: British people wanting to keep failing currency because it is British.[/QUOTE] yeah lets join the euro so that we can experience the dire consequences when it crashes. [editline]08:48PM[/editline] scrap government and start again

How would changing currency help anyone? You just end up wasting more money on destroying the old coins and creating new ones, if you're going to change the currency, change the whole worlds currency to the Credit and start from fresh using an electronic only system, not just use the same old crap just with a different name?

[QUOTE=David29;20477848]Heh, you think the pound is failing.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Euro+vs+Sterling[/url] Take a look at the 10-year curve, it shows how how Euro has been doing after the release.

[QUOTE=evilking1;20479326][url]http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=Euro+vs+Sterling[/url] Take a look at the 10-year curve, it shows how how Euro has been doing after the release.[/QUOTE] Yes, it's at the same fucking position it was at the beginning of the 10 years.

[QUOTE=EnenehV2;20478807]yeah lets join the euro so that we can experience the dire consequences when it crashes. [/QUOTE] Give me a reason why euro is somehow more prone to crashing than sterling? [editline]09:13PM[/editline] [QUOTE=radioactive;20479351]Yes, it's at the same fucking position it was at the beginning of the 10 years.[/QUOTE] Actually it has went from 0.60p to 0.89p, that's quite a lot.

Isn't this the same guy that is stripping us of our internet rights too? Jesus, he's digging a hole he's never going to climb out of.

Ffs, it's not heritage, we changed from the penny-guinea-crown or whatever system to the pound sterling (which works in units of 10 btw, very usefull) in the 50's or 60's or something. It's hardly a historic icon. Just xenophobic mornons pumping it up.

[QUOTE=NorthernFall;20480505]Ffs, it's not heritage, we changed from the penny-guinea-crown or whatever system to the pound sterling (which works in units of 10 btw, very usefull) in the 50's or 60's or something. It's hardly a historic icon. Just xenophobic mornons pumping it up.[/QUOTE] The money system isn't Metric, we have 1s, 2s and 5s.

I want to keep it because it's British.

I notice a lot of anti patrotism arguments in here. Yet its hypocritical, I raise you this question - Why won't the EU union let anyone else into the EU without similarity of European Culture? Its patriotism still, its a little club. Its nothing about human progression. At the end of the day I just notice pro European Union people arguing for the same anti European Unionists are saying, just on bigger scales.

Gordon Brown hates the Euro (he blocked Blair's attempts to join on multiple occasions). Won't happen with him in power, won't happen with the tories in power. I'm pro-European, but i'm realistic- Britain has neither the will nor the incentive (thanks to greece) to join the Euro at the moment, it would be a poor move. [QUOTE=Vasili;20481076]Why won't the EU union let anyone else into the EU without similarity of European Culture?[/QUOTE] Could you give an example? The Treaty of Rome states that only nation states situated on the European continent may join, whilst article 49 of the Maastrich treaty states that only democratic states that comply with human rights and the rule of law may join. Assuming you're talking about Turkey (which is , it's only partly in the European continent, still hasn't admitted to the Armenian genocide, and currently has internal problems that need to be resolved. Those are the factors that are problematic, not it being 'not western'. Even despite the above problems, Turkey is under consideration for EU membership, not something that happens lightly. [QUOTE=evilking1;20479361]Give me a reason why euro is somehow more prone to crashing than sterling?[/QUOTE] Having a multi-national currency does have certain problems- setting interest rates is impossible, as the currency is used in multiple countries. Also, subsidising other countries is against EU free market law established in the Single European Act. [url]http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=348930&story_id=15549449[/url]

I agree that the EU is in itself somewhat patriotic - hell there's a lot based on common history. Even the bloody wars are a part of it. The truth is, that after 1900 or so the internacional scene started to change, from countries that merely interacted on their borders, to nations that cooperated on various issues. The Eu just sort of shows this change. And there's definitely a lot negatives with the euro, but at the same time a lot of positives. The question is do the positives (easier trade, no conversion rates, no loosing profit to banks that do the conversions, more stable floating points) outweigh the negatives (here the only really big one I can think of is the ECB controlling interest rates, but considering most national CB's are already attached to it in a lot of ways, including the UK one, this isn't such a big change as it is). So personally I'm pro euro (even though I still like the crown) (but knowing our idiotic politicians with their long-standing structural deficits and EUR plans of 2017-MAYBE!), but having doubts I'll see it. Also value!=strenght. Export groups usually wish to keep the value lower for instance, and they do drive the economy in a lot of ways.

[QUOTE=Athelus;20481176] Could you give an example? [/QUOTE] Example for what? Why other countries that do not have clear European cultural heritage or are not near Europe cannot join? Its just more patriotism at the end of the day, its a club. Nothing humanitarian about it, just looking after ourselves again. All unions fail, just look at history, the European Union will fail just like the rest given time.